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Still having a horrendous time working with the frail pieces that come with my Pariahs, the tiny and uneven joints to glue together, and the realization that I should have kept the arms seperated by the packs they came with.

For anyone else who buys Pariahs: the parts are not interchangeable. Assemble all of the parts in one pack, don't mix them together thinking they're all functionally the same, as you would with many other models. I got into that habit with my Flayed Ones, and now I've learned my lesson.

That being said, for as hard as they are to assemble, they should be pretty easy to paint. I'm looking forward to it.

diesel7270 wrote:
I do have a question for you guys. Is there a telltale mark that indicates what edition a codex or rulebook is? I have yet to find one I only know my rulebook is 5th edition because I just bought it two months ago, but I know some Codexes (or Codices) have yet to be updated. And I suspect Barnett's Ork Codex may be an older edition than what is currently available.

There's not an indicator in the codexes themselves, as the idea is that the codex can be (mostly) valid through several editions. But to tell if a codex is the most recent one, check two places - one, GW itself:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/home.jsp

Look at the army sections and see the pic of the current codex for the army in question.

Two, wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_%28Warhammer_40,000%29

That'll give you release dates for the most recent versions, so you can see how relatively old a book is.

Also, Lexicanum has a nice list of which codexes are what edition as well as lists of each edition of any given codex.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Codex

Hey folk sorry we have been busy..Duty calls..lol But the latest from the bunker is just assembly.No games lately.I have already been customizing somethings.I`ll continue showing some custom pieces tomorrow.Sgt Mc dowell has been painting his pariahs,XO is still painting,well all off his stuff.(SLOW POKE)Yes sir XO i said it..lol But he is taking his time and doing a good job he even has some customized things for y`all.Lt. Krick is coming along pretty quick with his chaos space marines.And more good news.Rumor from my battle buddy is that he is planning on buying grey knights soon,so hopefully he joins us.Kehrer has been talk`in doo - doo for the last week.If you don`t remember he plays Tau.I don`t get it. A few more battle suits and some more sniper drones and he thinks he can disrespect my Emperor and my Imperium..This kid has lost his mind..lol Ordinatus,Honorum Glorium.hahaha!
Anyways Does anyone know a website that I can buy just a few plasma gun bits? I`ve been looking but all I want are the plasma guns .Everywhere I have looked I have to buy whole squad Or a kits.That`s booty son.I have some custom pieces I can use though.Thanks for being patient everyone we will be back up and post`in away real soon.I want to give a shoutout to Miguelsan from Japan he is donating a cadian command squad to the cause!Thanks again.and deisel was say`in someone donated some paints and brushes and such.Thank you all soo much for the support.Good to know people got our backs.So like said I`ll get a mods article up soon.E from the bunker signing out..

Imperious Dominatus

Not sure if these would work for IG, but...

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1080005&prodId=prod1400024

5 metal plasma guns.

Thanks for your service!

Said numerous times already but thank you for your service.

When the unit I was in was over there we had about 4 of us that were doing the game. I did orks and one guy did necrons, the other 2 did nids. Dont know why they liked the bugs so much, but they did seem to love them. didnt have anything as set up as yall have, but it was still fun to play on the floor with dice and such. I dont think i ever won a single game, but had a blast with the guys none the less.

I hope you all are happy. You've got me working on my "Order of the Redeeming Blade".

Lousy motivational gits.

E_ninja13 wrote:Anyways Does anyone know a website that I can buy just a few plasma gun bits? I`ve been looking but all I want are the plasma guns .Everywhere I have looked I have to buy whole squad Or a kits.That`s booty son.I have some custom pieces I can use though.

If you have bolters and plasma pistols sitting around in someone's bit box you should be able to crank out some plasmaguns...

http://paintpotprocrastinator.blogspot.com/2009/06/bitzbox-plasma-gun-conversion.html

Buddy of mind proxy'd necron guns for plasma guns. Looked pretty cool.

E_ninja13 wrote:Kehrer has been talk`in doo - doo for the last week.If you don`t remember he plays Tau.I don`t get it. A few more battle suits and some more sniper drones and he thinks he can disrespect my Emperor and my Imperium..This kid has lost his mind..lol Ordinatus,Honorum Glorium.hahaha!

This line made my laugh my ass off

Seriously keep up the awesome work out there, I'm loving this thread so much If any of you guys are ever around Tinker Air Force Base, give me a shout out and we'll get an Army vs Air Force game going

use the SM plasma guns that you can buy as bitz from GW. cut off the SM hand. then get a guard hand with lasgun and cut off the lasgun and lasgun stock, leaving the trigger hand and just glue the plasma gun on. I haven't done it my self but i have done it with SM melta guns. it's very easy to do.

E_ninja13 wrote:Hey folk sorry we have been busy..Duty calls..lol But the latest from the bunker is just assembly.No games lately.I have already been customizing somethings.I`ll continue showing some custom pieces tomorrow.Sgt Mc dowell has been painting his pariahs,XO is still painting,well all off his stuff.(SLOW POKE)Yes sir XO i said it..lol But he is taking his time and doing a good job he even has some customized things for y`all.Lt. Krick is coming along pretty quick with his chaos space marines.And more good news.Rumor from my battle buddy is that he is planning on buying grey knights soon,so hopefully he joins us.Kehrer has been talk`in doo - doo for the last week.If you don`t remember he plays Tau.I don`t get it. A few more battle suits and some more sniper drones and he thinks he can disrespect my Emperor and my Imperium..This kid has lost his mind..lol Ordinatus,Honorum Glorium.hahaha!
Anyways Does anyone know a website that I can buy just a few plasma gun bits? I`ve been looking but all I want are the plasma guns .Everywhere I have looked I have to buy whole squad Or a kits.That`s booty son.I have some custom pieces I can use though.Thanks for being patient everyone we will be back up and post`in away real soon.I want to give a shoutout to Miguelsan from Japan he is donating a cadian command squad to the cause!Thanks again.and deisel was say`in someone donated some paints and brushes and such.Thank you all soo much for the support.Good to know people got our backs.So like said I`ll get a mods article up soon.E from the bunker signing out..

Imperious Dominatus

I see that our unit is not the only one to pick on our officers

If I woulda known I'd get to play 40k during the down time I might have enlisted

And I think its funny how you guys are spreading the addiction! I did the same thing with alot of my freinds several years ago.

Keep up the good work over there guys, and when you guys get back stateside let us know so the dakkites that are local to where you're stationed can get some games in with you ^_^

Ok, guys. A pretty big update. A Batrep on a match E and I threw together today, and a look at one of my Pariahs, things I messed up and thoughts on it.

Let's start with my Pariah.

Out of the squad of 10 I bought, I decided to do as I normally do, and finish the first before I assembly line the others, to get a good idea of what I want these guys to look like in the end. Unfortunately, I did not take the time I should have and rushed few some things, and thinking myself complete, glossed it. It's not that I can't fix some of the problems, but starting over from scratch is impossible now. I can paint over gloss and then revarnish - I wouldn't attempt that more than once, though. I plan to do that on the parts that are supposed to be Mithril Silver, but look like a patchy mixture of Mithril Silver and Gunmetal. I wanted flawless Silver texture on these guys like I did with my Necron Lord. My Lord turned out GREAT. I wish it was as easy with these dudes. Next time, I'm not putting gunmetal on anything other than the abdomen. With this one, I was painting over gunmetal on nearly everything.



As you can see, the legs and arms have a marbled, rough looking texture. That was not what I was going for. I will simply have to paint over the gloss and try one... more... time... and hope I don't screw it up.

The handles came out pretty good except for a few areas where my drybrushing went a little too deep. In my haste I had too much paint and too much pressure. The head and eyes came out just about perfect, which I am glad. And though you can't see it well from this angle, the shoulderpads are an egyptian blue, and I really like the way it looks, even if it isn't quite Necron-ish. Of course, the base needs cleaning up and sanding, ect. And this being my first one, the others will come together more easily, as they tend to do. It just pains me that I usually end up with a squad of units that have one that looks relatively jacked up where I tried to get used to painting that particular model. I will submit a pic of this one when I clear my head, and get it cleaned up. If it turns out that I just can't make it work, I'll either have to settle, or soak the thing in acetone for a day.


On to the battle:



At 1560 points, we played for Moral Victory (Anillation's victory conditions are just too unbalanced for me). I had my standard N.Lord with rez orb and viel of darkness, two squads of 14 warriors, a squad of 3 destroyers, scarabs with disruption fields, and my 'lith and Nightbringer. I rolled to go first, and this is how the board was set up.



Turn 1.
All Necron units advance, with the Nightbringer stunning the tank on the left, and the monolith stunning the tank on the right. My destroyers shoot at the Vendettas hoping for a lucky glancing hit, but
don't get one. E brings all of his troops to the barricades for cover, takes out my destroyers in one volley from the vendettas, and drops five of my troops with the un-stunned tank with the gatling gun.



Turn 2.
All but one of my warriors ressurect, and all units advance again. The Nightbringer fires at the left tank and misses, and the left squad of Necron Warriors take out half of the enemy droops on his right squad. My right squad is getting tied up on the barricade for difficult terrain. The Monolith is rolling all hits on scatter dice, and destroys the tank in the middle. My scarabs assault his left tank and stun it again. None of E's units move, and between his command orders that make for multiple shots (with Col. Strickand) and plasma guns, his troops on the right chew up my Warriors on the right. His valkyries (err, vendettas, sorry) shoot at the lith, but fail to penetrate armor, and his gatling gun's poor amount of wounds are saved.



Turn 3.

I advance my Nightbringer to the foes in front of it, and try to get my scarabs and warriors to his vendettas. The left squad of warriors shoot at the left tank, and shake it. Due to my being an idiot, I for some reason thought that it meant that he couldn't move but could shoot, and told E that. Which cost me the game, as you'll see below. The assault with my Nightbringer on his left squad take out three models, and all of the ones in assault contact are too weak to hurt it. On E's turn, he moves his vendettas in closer, fires at my right squad, and as I stupidly separated this squad from my Lord, half of them were vaporized. The gatling gun and the squad in front of the squad of Warriors on the left totally unload on them, leaving nothing but the Necron Lord standing, and with one wound. The Nightbringer kills Col. Strickand.

Turn 4.

Thanks to several blunders on my part, I reach Necron phase-out and E wins.


Summary:

Knowing that E was going to go heavy on the armor, and disillusioned with past poor performance with wraiths and flayed ones, I decided to spend the bulk of my spare points on the 'lith and the Nightbringer, as well as disruptions fields on the scarabs, hoping to make short work of his tanks. For the most part, it worked. I knew his infantry couldn't stand up to virtually anything I could throw at him, so I put them on the backburner until they became a problem.

I tend to make the same mistakes in 40K that I do in chess. I make moves that seem to directly achieve my goals, without thinking of how the player will counteract. I didn't think at all when I separated my two warrior squads about the possibility of Necron phase-out, even when staring down the barrel of a gatling gun. Which, incidentally, should have been disabled, but again I was hasty and didn't think it through. Looks like I still have some work to do on rules memorization. Third dumb move I made was that I should have turbo-boosted my scarabs towards the valkyrie instead of a regular move. Due to being a swarm, turbo-boosting gives them a 2+ cover save, and I should be taking advantage of that as often as possible. Perhaps I was hesitant to leave the Nightbringer there alone, but it could have easily taken care of it itself. Rather than focusing on the items that would have caused massed fire, such as the gatling gun and squads full of plasma weapons, I went for his armor-killers, desperate to keep my 'lith from getting shot at. Like an idiot.

That being said, until he rolled to drop that one squad in one shooting phase, the match was going my way, handily. We both thought it was a sure win for me. E was rolling fairly poorly and was losing half as many guys to his plasma weapons Getting Hot as he was hitting me with them.

It's hard to pull any lesson out of this other than to pay more attention. But I've beaten that dead horse enough. It's always a tough call with me. Putting more troops on the field is starting to sound more and more like a good idea, but without heavy-hitters like the 'lith and Nightbringer, I would have an outrageously hard time taking down any enemy armor. Heavy destroyers are some of the first units to go down, so I have no real interest in expanding on them. My Pariahs are simply too expensive and are designed only as an anti-Terminator squad, so it looks like I'm going to have to spend less time fielding destroyers and more time fielding more Warriors, and start loading up on Immortals.

Take another lith, drop the nightbringer (he's really only helpful at 2000+ pts because of his cost) and field wraiths or some heavy d's. Just a suggestion though. But at 1500 points, I'd suggest two liths.

yeah the thing with the Monolith is that you WANT the enemy to shoot at it. That's what its designed to do: scare the crap out of the enemy so he directs most of his heavy hitters at it. The monolith is supposed to be able to shrug off most hits. That leaves your troops open to cause damage without fear of being blown away by heavy weapons.

I would also agree with Kevin, if you have the money, invest in another Monolith. There are some really evil tricks you can pull with two of them, and NO one likes the idea of TWO monoliths deep striking in on top of their gunline.

Yeah... I just (*whine*) don't want to go through making another one.

I'm kinda not surprized you shelved your Necrons, Corvus. Seeing as how we're both having troubles. ...but out here I've already devoted a great deal of time and money. I can't afford to not keep trying and find a good mix.

I think I really need to just focus on getting more troops on the ground. Immortals, and Warriors. Mostly Immortals. Unfortunately, it's hard to *see* exactly how things will turn out, because I have to invest $150+ to get units I need, paint them, and then assemble them before I figure out that they're not really working out for me.

Diesel - Nice to see that the gaming continues, and it seems like all off you are having fun. Myself, I havent played very much 40k to speak of, but I do think that your troop squads are too small. Guass rifles work wonders against anything in range as long as you have a large amount of dices.

Your troops would also have more survivability in larger numbers, thanks to WWBB rules. I played Tao against Necrons last time and I found that even being super mobile and shooty doesent do much if you pritty much need to wipe a squad of troops in 1 turn. That amount of focus fire keeps heat of evrything else.

Now your looking into more expencive, fewer units, meaning less targets, easier to FO your army.

But just like with orks or tyranids, sometimes less is not just more, but stronger.

Im not gonna do the math, becuse I have no idea how, but you should realy proxy up a few alternatives before rushing into a buy. Play your self or borrow an army and setup 1 unit vs. 1 unit situations and try the diffrence. (1 unit meaning a whole group)

And also Id like you to put more terrain on the board.
It looks like a shooting range sometimes, Im shure you could benefit from both more cover and less LOS. ^_^

*Edited for lack of spelling skills

Summary:

Well this game was one of many test phases.I going to learn and adapt to whatever army it is that I play.Fielding different gear for every battle.Victory by technicality is`nt what I had in mind.I learned a few things.One: know your rules,losing or winning by overlooking something it`s not as satisfying.Luckily I don`t care.I call it a W! Two: My tanks can be takin down pretty quickly by the right vehicles/charactors. Three:Even one tank has the ability to change a fight. And Four:With enough vehicles The Enemy cannot kill Them all.Either way it was fun.I wanna thank diesel for being honest with the rules.I hope y`all enjoyed the batrep.E signing out from the bunker.


Imperius Dominatus

Its been a while since my last post, I appologize. Well my last bit was the unfinished match with diesel and i got extremely lucky against his monolith with a 6&6 role for effect with my shokk attack gun, imobilized. but that didnt stop it from tearing through my 30 boy mob with ghazgkhull thrakka attached with his particle whip. and i thought they were safely engaged in close combat with a squad of warriors and necron lord, little did i know he could just port out the whole squad. and with my lootas in position to fire on his nightbringer we called it a night. Since then i found out i will be leaving the FOB and our rag-tag group of wargamers, i put my army up for sale. An offer from XO has pretty much ended my ambition to wage waaagh! on the FOB. I think once i get back i will invest in a different army after i do more research on all the armies that are available and thier abilities.

hstnin wrote:

And also Id like you to put more terrain on the board.
It looks like a shooting range sometimes, Im shure you could benefit from both more cover and less LOS. ^_^

Honestly, I believe that is one of the biggest reasons he has been losing as much as he has been. In an open field, necrons are just target practice begging to be phased out.

diesel7270 wrote:

I think I really need to just focus on getting more troops on the ground. Immortals, and Warriors. Mostly Immortals. Unfortunately, it's hard to *see* exactly how things will turn out, because I have to invest $150+ to get units I need, paint them, and then assemble them before I figure out that they're not really working out for me.

Try proxying Warriors/Immortals. Borrow some Space Marines or guardsmen for a match and play them as if they were the units you want to experiment with. As long as you're clear about it, it should make for a fair game as well as helping you figure out what you should invest in.

Ok. Well, I just got done playing a long, arduous 2000 point match. Possibly not the most fairly balanced, because it was me and Lt. Krick each with 1000 pts. vs. Erickson and a very armor-heavy setup.

The battle was beyond hectic, a lot of stuff was going on and so many people were around... I just couldn't see it feasible to take notes to comment on, so pictures would have been next to pointless.

Surprisingly, we tied for true Annihilation rules. I didn't really have enough points to field a lith, and Lt. Krick knew very little about the game and didn't know how to set up his squads to be anti-armor. Not to mention, we sorely underestimated E's devastator cannons.

With all of the armor on the board, by the time we were done, the battlefield was littered with wreckage and craters. It was pretty epic, but long and tedious.

Mad Rabbit wrote:

Try proxying Warriors/Immortals.

That is exactly what I plan on doing. I'm probably going to forget about the N.Bringer, and the Pariahs, unless I'm fighting the XO's terminator/armor heavy setup. In time, I'm going to try for an army loaded with Warriors, Immortals, and include a Destroyer Lord with my other N.Lord. I've just got guys to assemble, and I haven't ordered immortals yet. I'm content to continue with what I've got so far until then. I mean, even if I lose, I still have fun.

We may have *another* player who plans on picking up Grey Knights. We'll see if he comes through.

Other than that, the Pariahs are coming along.

I highly suspect that once I get a lot more ground troops on the table, I'll probably fare better. And I do have a problem with terrain in that, almost anything, including ruins, gives some LOS. There is almost no situation in which my large squads of troops are completely out of LOS of virtually everything. Which brings me to two rules questions.

1. I'm on the other side of difficult terrain, by an inch or so, and he can see more than half of my dudes' torsos though they are all obscured by foliage or somesuch. Do they get a cover save? Or do I have to be IN that difficult terrain of rubble or foliage, as the only case in which I would get a cover save?

2. I assault a land raider. Since you do not get locked in combat with vehicles like that, would my assaulting units continue to get the extra attack every additional time they fought in close combat with it? Because at that point, they would still be within 1". ...Or with vehicles like that, does the 1" rule even apply?

EDIT: One more question. 3. If an independent character, like a N.Lord or Commissar Yarrick, goes down on a turn, but gets a WBB roll (I don't know if it's actually called that for Yarrick), does he count as a lost unit if the game ends before he gets a WBB roll?

See you guys!

Nice, another one, playing a completly diffrent army, but Im suprised noone went for Blood angels yet ^^

diesel7270 wrote:

1. I'm on the other side of difficult terrain, by an inch or so, and he can see more than half of my dudes' torsos though they are all obscured by foliage or somesuch. Do they get a cover save? Or do I have to be IN that difficult terrain of rubble or foliage, as the only case in which I would get a cover save?

2. I assault a land raider. Since you do not get locked in combat with vehicles like that, would my assaulting units continue to get the extra attack every additional time they fought in close combat with it? Because at that point, they would still be within 1". ...Or with vehicles like that, does the 1" rule even apply?

EDIT: One more question. 3. If an independent character, like a N.Lord or Commissar Yarrick, goes down on a turn, but gets a WBB roll (I don't know if it's actually called that for Yarrick), does he count as a lost unit if the game ends before he gets a WBB roll?

1. If more then half is in cover, they all get cover saves. But if he can see more then half, they get none. But you dont need to be "in" it, just obscured by it. A good example is a forrest, you get cover save both behind it and inside it. *Edited after checking rule book again, I made a misstake in how you calculate if the majority of his models can see the majority of yours when calculating if you get cover, partial cover or no cover. Page23 in rulebook.

2. If your talking about the assault +1 attack, you only get it the first time.

3. Dont realy know, havent had this problem, does he get the roll on the end of the last turn, or the start of the one after it ended?

To evryone playing or just there to watch, keep having fun and its always great inspiration to read about people playing even when in an absurd situation like your all in.

diesel7270 wrote:

1. I'm on the other side of difficult terrain, by an inch or so, and he can see more than half of my dudes' torsos though they are all obscured by foliage or somesuch. Do they get a cover save? Or do I have to be IN that difficult terrain of rubble or foliage, as the only case in which I would get a cover save?

2. I assault a land raider. Since you do not get locked in combat with vehicles like that, would my assaulting units continue to get the extra attack every additional time they fought in close combat with it? Because at that point, they would still be within 1". ...Or with vehicles like that, does the 1" rule even apply?

EDIT: One more question. 3. If an independent character, like a N.Lord or Commissar Yarrick, goes down on a turn, but gets a WBB roll (I don't know if it's actually called that for Yarrick), does he count as a lost unit if the game ends before he gets a WBB roll?

See you guys!

I know the guy above me answered but I don't think he is entirely correct, or at least I haven't ever played it by what he said. Anyway, to answer your first one you would get a cover save. It doesn't matter how much of the model is covered, if you're withing 1" of it and it requires you to make a difficult terrain test to get by it, you get a cover save. The type of terrain determines the type of save.

You can always move away from the LR 2" and then shoot and assault again providing you have assault weapons.

Anyone that is down and the game ends before any WBB or equivalent rolls are made are counted as destroyed. This is actually covered in the FAQ on the GW website, just so ya can look it up if need be.

My battle againt the necrons and chaos space marines was epic.It was by far the best time I have had yet.Lots of fun.Demolisher tanks are the way to go.They destroyed a defiler, a bunch of necrons, a nice amount of chaos marines,a rhino and were still in the fight at the end of the game.I lost a vandetta early on but the othe one stayed to play the whole game.I lost all troops my hell hound stayed in the fight also.the manticore did its part hitting necrons for four turn then being destroyed by the demon prince.I love the armored company idea.They messed up and gave a tanker tanks..lol Tankers lead the way HOOAH! But none the less it was a great game,ending in a tie like deisel said.So I held my own against a split army.Normally I would prep by loading my vehicles to fight a certain way for a certain army.I didnt know what to expect .So I mixed it up.But mucho props to those guys they withstood a lot of firepower.if there would have been another turn i more then like would have phased out the necrons.One thing I got to tell y`all.It was great.some choas space marines moved in to position to fire on my tanks.Fired two plasma weapons that blew up killing 2 of the 5 man squad.Failed a morale check and retreated 10 inches.Failed a second morale check and retreated farther,it was pretty funny.aAAAHHH! Our guns blew up ruuunnnn!Good times.So question! If commisar yarrick loses all wounds gets up bloddy but defient then loses his last wound,does he get to try to comeback again?Next game we`ll a batrep up..I still owe y`all some custom piece pics..E signing out from the bunker..

Imperious Dominatus


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Mistress of minis wrote:If I woulda known I'd get to play 40k during the down time I might have enlisted

And I think its funny how you guys are spreading the addiction! I did the same thing with alot of my freinds several years ago.

Keep up the good work over there guys, and when you guys get back stateside let us know so the dakkites that are local to where you're stationed can get some games in with you ^_^

Definatly mistress,If there are any dakkites near Fort Benning GA,let us know we would love to plays some games maybe a campaign when we get back!

Ah Fort Benning. My dad was stationed there for years and my mom still lives out past Camp Darby. If I ever get stationed out at Robbins AFB or Fort Gordon I will have to take a road trip out to Benning to play a few rounds with you guys

I edited n.1, but about n.2 I dont understand how you are gonna back away and then do a proper assault in the same round? I know your not locked in combat with a vechicle, but isent that a illegal/abuse move to move away in the move phase and then change direction and then assault again with your troops?

Im looking at page 63. under "Successive turns", last paragraf also, doesent it say that your in base contact with the vechicle if it survived your assault?

I saw the FAQ, and I agree on n.3

There's nothing stopping you from moving away from a vehicle since you're not locked in combat. I mean, unless someone jumps in here otherwise that's how I've played it. Ya it kinda sucks but the odds are that the person who owns the vehicle will have moved it anyway on their turn provided you didn't immobilize it. So just because the assaulter is in btb with the vehicle, why would they not be able to move away while the vehicle can? Just means it's another rounds of the same unit focusing all of it's firepower on a single vehicle rather than a squad of guys it could probably demolish easier if it's h2h'ing vehicles. *Shrug*

The more I think about spamming troops on the battlefield, the more I like it. In addition, I was thinking that if I have a destroyer lord, perhaps it would be a good idea to, if he had a rez orb, keep him with several squads of destroyers. Since you can go over the squad cap to attach rezzed Necrons (at least i'm pretty sure you can), I don't have to worry when the squad of 3 destroyers gets wiped by multiple lasgun blasts. The disadvantage of all of this is A: I have to tie up points on destroyers themselves, and B: It would make using a Warscythe on a D.Lord a lot more problematic, as I would seperate from the flock of Destroyers.