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Samus_aran115 wrote:Rockband

Must... Contain... Rage...

Soladrin wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Rockband

Must... Contain... Rage...

But your avatar looks so happy I could never see you raging about rock band

I hate any game who's entire premise of gameplay is... simon says.

Soladrin wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Rockband

Must... Contain... Rage...

Dare I ask why....I find rockband to be far better than guitar hero. Not to mention I love drumming, and the guitar hero foot pedal charts teach you nothing. Rokkband ftw.

Soladrin wrote:I hate any game who's entire premise of gameplay is... simon says.

Oh ok is it a Private RAGE party or a Public one?

I want to join

Anyone can join, but my rage isn't actually aimed at the game, but mostly at the people crazy enough ( I use the crazy so as not to be to insulting ) to actually buy into it.

Who the hell pays 100's of bucks for a game with hardly any production values apart from song licensing and fake plastic instruments who's buttons don't even make sense if you compare them to the actual instruments.

Rage is awesome

Just noticed the vote percentages are 63/38......

Soladrin wrote:Anyone can join, but my rage isn't actually aimed at the game, but mostly at the people crazy enough ( I use the crazy so as not to be to insulting ) to actually buy into it.

Who the hell pays 100's of bucks for a game with hardly any production values apart from song licensing and fake plastic instruments who's buttons don't even make sense if you compare them to the actual instruments.

Agreed. Would much rather learn to play a real instrument.

You should get both systems. They both have flaws and merits with lots of good games on both systems. A lot of the old debates are really no longer valid.

Sure in the beginning, the 360 had better games in comparison to the PS3. That is how it works when you are comparing 1st Generation (PS3) to 2nd Generation (Xbox 360) games. Mircrosoft had a head start by releasing their system a lot sooner. Remember they had better graphics for years. It took a little while to catch up to the 360, but eventually the PS3 did. I know everyone seems to think this is stupid, but imagine trying to race someone who has just a mile head start on you and they are as physical fit as you. In the graphics race, PS3 caught and passed the 360 last year. It isn't by much but the fact that they did has got to say something.

I enjoy both systems. I am a little grumpy when it comes to the 360 but that is mostly because I really hate these arguments. There is always a ton of people who let their fanboyism show to much favoritism. Hell I am probably showing some right now, but I wouldn't have to if people would just accept that both systems are really good, (I feel like I am beating a dead horse here...)

No games on PS3? Invalid. There are plenty of good games. 360 fanboys do not see these games because they refuse to buy a PS3 and play it in the first place. Seriously find me a game on the 360 that looks as good as God of War III or Metal Gear Solid 4. Hopefully when the 360 gets metal gear the fanboys will see it as a very good game. I am a little worried that the graphics might not be as good, (Which would not have been a problem if the HD DVD add on for the 360 would not have failed, you can thank the porn industry for that...). Personally I think mircosoft should start supporting the HDDVD add on again so they can get some more HD games.

Price? Well it was never an issue in the first place. I know hindsight is 20/20 but you have to look at the facts. Both systems had the same price people, (if you count the original Hard drives equal in value). The PS3 was $600.00. It had a built in Bluray player. The 360 was $400.00. Its HD DVD add on was $200.00. That is some pretty simple math but for some reason people couldn't see that $400 + $200 = $600.00

In hindsight (always 20/20 folks), the PS3 would have been a better purchase since Bluray beat the HD DVD in the end. HD DVD is no longer supported and now you wasted $200.00. In addition the hard drive on the PS3 was a lot bigger than the 360's five years ago, which pushes the PS3's original worth beyond the 360's. However even though the PS3 had this going for it and the eventual pay off of the bluray player, it wasn't enough to get people to buy the PS3 originally because bluray was still new and the PS3 didn't have worthy games.

If both systems would have came out on the same day with their original launch titles, the favoritism would have been much closer to 50/50 and would have fell in the PS3's favor when the bluray player won the HD battle.

Now that is a lot of PS3 fanboyism, but even after all that, I have to say Microsoft had a better game plan. They rushed their system and got the drop on the PS3. Their system was very prone to failure which was not fun back when those first gen systems started failing when the PS3 first came out. It sucked to be a microsoft owner that second year when you only had a 1 year warranty. However the better games were enough for most people to buy a second 360 instead of a PS3. Even though microsoft screwed them over and they had to shell out $300.00-$400.00 more dollars on another system, it was worth it because Halo 3 and Gears of War were coming out right? Heck I bought my second 360 for that very reason. The pitiful PS3 games were stacked against a second generation game, Gears of War. It was a nobrainer back then, even if you had to buy another system.

Now a year after all this, PS3 games started to pick up some steam. People really couldn't use the whole Madden 05 looks way better on the 360 anymore. The odds were going to fall in the PS3's favour at that rate. But wow, Mircosoft with their very good game plans found something that would hook people back to their side of the war. All they had to do was give people a 3 year warranty. They had to do this because they were having over a 50% failure rate and PS3 was getting better with the games. All of a sudden all complaints about the 360 were over. Microsoft cared about their owners again. They knew the better gaming race was equaling out so they had to show their care for us gamers. Who cares about the guys from the second year who had to buy a second xbox before the warranty increase, (which if you were crafty you could have submitted some receipts and got one of the 360's reimbursed). This worked really well for Microsoft. Gamers everywhere felt that microsoft cared for them and wanted to fix their problems. They just wanted to fix their sales people and I do not blame them. It worked pretty well for them until the PS3 picked up enough steam that it was starting to over take the 360 in the race. Personally I think it is "too little too late" for PS3, but that is what they get for letting the 360 get the drop on them.

Fast forward to now and many of the old debates are no longer valid. Price? Whatever... Games? They both have them even if a fanboy refuses to play Gears of War 2 or God of War 3. Reliability? The PS3 doesn't need the warrantly and the 360 does. The 360 is good for 3 years even if all they do is switch out the crappy burned out parts with the same parts that will fail just as easy. However Microsoft has changed their tactics though. They realize that the PS3 looks better and will continue to impress. They do not have the HD support so they are failing in the battle with the PS3. Their only choice is to further commit to their original strategy: Do it better than the competitor while you can.

Realizing that they have did all the can to Sony, microsoft has found their new enemy: the Wii. They have the same strategy as they did against sony. They are using the better graphics of the 360 to snuff out the wii in the family gaming scene. Seriously the avatars? The copycat games? Where are all those nice 360 games? They are disappearing. The 360 barely has enough good games coming out next year and a significant drop from what they gave us before. All of their effort is going to the kinect which isn't what they promised.

It will probably go like this for another year or so, before the next microsoft console comes out and thus the cycle will repeat itself. Hopefully sony has learned their lesson and will not let them get a year head start on them.

In the end, I have to say it, Microsoft had a very nice gameplan. They got the drop on sony, fixed their mistakes, secured their fan's loyalty, and made plenty of decent games. Sony has some nice games too but it is a sense of too little too late. I got both systems and I have enjoyed them for what they are year after year.

The 360 didn't get my vote due to games, graphics, or HD capabilities. It didn't get my vote for warranties, Halo, or Gears of War.

It got the vote, because Microsoft has a much better marketing department.

As I understand it, Sony is delaying the next step in the console cycle, since they feel that the PS3's capabilities are still underutilized. I think Microsoft is following suit w/ the 360.

Re the graphics - I have both a 360 and a PS3 running on HD inputs to the same TV (using the same cables) and can't actually tell all that much of a difference, even on games of the same type and same age. Some games on the 360 look better, some games on the PS3 look better.

@SilverMK2: That is pretty much the way of it for now. The PS3 has recently only just started having better graphics, most notably the cut scenes from Final Fantasy XIII. I hate that game with a passion but there it is.

But all is fair it love and war. The 360 had better graphics for what the first 4 years of the competition?! It had to happen eventually.

Neverending Pant-asy has always had good visuals though - no matter the platform. They spend a lot of time and effort to ensure that. I would imagine that if you had a 360 version and a PS3 version running side by side there would not be a lot of difference.

No Silver, a friend and I tried that (with FFXIII), the difference is actually very, very, big. But this is understandable considering they had to scale back the game for the 360 version in order to make it fit on a reasonable number of disks (and as such isn't a good assessment of the graphical limitations of the 360 so much as the storage limitations). Most multiplatform games you won't see very much difference between the consoles, usually the game is optimized better for one system or the other (usually the Xbox360 as its easier to develop for, and thus usually represents the main effort), where the differences become apparent is with the exclusive titles. Graphically, some of the more recent PS3 exclusives have had the edge over the 360 in this department (especially the uncharted series).

PS3 if this is the only blu-ray player you are going to have.

Gears of war and the xbox's controller end any of these things for me anyway

And I'm addicted to gamer points and can't quit now anyway! (busy right now getting every single DoW 2 achievement!) And I've almost finished Vanquish without dying now

The irony of me saying I've never had a problem with my 360 - I turn it on this morning and get a RRoD error :(

The question now is whether I send it in for repair, buy a new one, or steal my brothers next time I go to my parents house...

If it's out of warranty, consider whether you want to upgrade. Microsoft's repairs cost £80 last time I checked, which is why I'll be getting a new console (250gb slim for £195) instead of getting mine fixed.

You could of course get it repaired elsewhere for cheaper - I had mine repaired by a local company once for £50. Though it did start working again, that only lasted about four months. Don't know what the track record is for Microsoft repairs.

My brother has had a couple repaired by Microsoft and independent companies.

I looked around for new consoles but unfortunately don't have the monies to buy a new console so had to spring for the repair bill (just over £80 :( ). Since it is a really old version of the console which I don't think they manufacture any more, I am hoping they just send me a new one

The good thing is that I understand you then get a new 1 year warranty, so if it goes again within the year it will be free.

Or you could finally get a PS3...

I finally talked my brother into getting one after he went through 5 xbox 360s. My 360 is still going pretty strong, but I only used it for Halo Reach, Lost Odyssey, Mass Effect 1 & 2. I would like to keep it that way.

My 360's been my faithful friend since 2006; I even remember his birthday - February 16. He's been on the brink twice now; he red-ringed on me twice (three rings mind you, not four). He's probably one of the oldest still working.

There isn't a day that goes by that I don't regret getting that Core set over the Pro.

I thought the three rings was the bad one...General Hardware failure. Four rings is the AV Cable Error. If you had the three rings twice then your system shouldn't be working.

Lord Scythican wrote:I thought the three rings was the bad one...General Hardware failure. Four rings is the AV Cable Error. If you had the three rings twice then your system shouldn't be working.

Yep, twice. The 4 rings pop up every time the power's loose a bit. He just refuses to die on me.

undivided wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:I thought the three rings was the bad one...General Hardware failure. Four rings is the AV Cable Error. If you had the three rings twice then your system shouldn't be working.

Yep, twice. The 4 rings pop up every time the power's loose a bit. He just refuses to die on me.

You know you are lucky don't you? I guess you actually got a system that works like it should. Remember the days when we had systems like the NES, sega, and SNES that worked and did their job for years? I really hate this crap that is breaking after a few years. Its not just the gaming systems either. I had a 42 inch LG TV that went out after 3 years. Makes me sick.

They have self destruction devices programmed to go off when your warranty runs out.

Better in terms of what? I bought a PS3 due to the exclusives it had like MGS4, Demons Souls, Yakuza, Uncharted, LBP, FFXIII Versus, Taiwan High Speed Rail etc; I bought a PS3 solely on MGS4 and I don't regret it. There aren't many exclusives on Xbox which I like, and the ones which I do are on/coming to PC or coming to PS3 (Mass Effect/2/3, Fable 3 etc). The only exclusive game which slightly interested me is Alan Wake, but I'm not going to buy another console just for one game.

And no I'm not biased, I think Resistance and Killzone are crap.

I don't know much (don't care) about the system specs, so I'll leave that out.

I think all the graphics comparing is stupid, its not like you're going to be simultaneously playing the same game on both consoles at the same time {facepalm} and the difference is incredibly minimal at the worst.

My playstation 2 had died on me like 3 times over the course of its long and illustrious career in service to me (it was probably one of the first PS2's in the united states, seeing as how I had it before the official/public release date). Thus far, my PS3 has been serving me faithfully with no issues (knock on wood) though I can't say the same for one of my friends consoles, poor thing died just the other day.

Point in case, it all comes down to what games you like

I nearly got a PS3 for the new armored core games, but then From Software blessed me by releasing them on xbox 360 too ^^

What are we arguing here? We ALL know that pc is better in every possible way that can and can't imagine.

Proof (not from pc):

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/multiplayer-gameplay-quake-arena/708597

I lolled. Pay attention especially at 1:30 (look at ammo amount)