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kitch102 wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:Like in season 5, the Tardis was late quite often.

That's coz Series 5 was sponsored by British Rail

Funny. I could make the same joke about the Deutsche Bahn.

Hey I don't know about you but these so called silence guys look a lot like Genestealers from 40k?

Almost all SF aliens are people in make-up. There is a limit to how much make-up you can put on an actor and let them still act. This has been true since the early 20th century.

The Genestealers are meant to be distorted humans. You can either credit GW's artist for the clever way they realised the standard TV trope in 2D art, or you can damn them for the lack of originality in designing aliens.

reds8n wrote:

Ahtman wrote: The Astronaut suit reminded me of The Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead when the Vashta were controlling the bodies from inside the suits.

One of the things I like best of all about sci fi as a genre is you can read something like the above and agree 100%, despite the essential preposterousness of the ideas and concepts therein.

..so, I'm thinking then that the lost or misplaced voice thing is also very similar to the Lodger episode, where someone.... ( or something..!) had been dabbling in Tardis building, and the technology does indeed seem very similar.

In the preview thing for the next episode did it look like some of the crew had (black marker pen) style "runes" or glyphs drawn onto them ? Maybe as if these were some form of protection against the aliens abilities ?

The writing on their faces immediately made me think of this:

Goliath wrote:
The writing on their faces immediately made me think of this:
http://www.danielbowen.com/images/2006/1025-impossible-planet.jpg

same here, will be interesting to see if it does go that way, annoyingly im away this weekend so ill miss it (damn)

I've played the adventure games. They're allright, but are very same-y, have weak plots and consist largely of very simple puzzles. Clearly aimed at younger/casual gamers.

There is an awesome Flash game in which you are a Dalek and have to escape from the underground lab, exterminating all in your way.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/funandgames/last_dalek

HAZZER wrote:Hey I don't know about you but these so called silence guys look a lot like Genestealers from 40k?

Not really, no. The head is a bit bulbous, that's about it. It's far more like The Scream which according to the production team is what it was based on.

Why is this stickied?

Chrysaor686 wrote:Why is this stickied?

Because Doctor Who is AWESOME, that's why.

Chrysaor686 wrote:Why is this stickied?

Because the new series has just started and a fair few of us watch it/want to post about it. So.. ease really.

Enjoyed the 2nd episode immensely, more than the first one in fact. Especially the opening bit when they were being hunted and captured.



Some nice open ended plot hooks for later in the season too, especially the last scene !

reds8n wrote: Enjoyed the 2nd episode immensely, more than the first one in fact. Especially the opening bit when they were being hunted and captured.

Spoiler:

Loved the River Song rescue too

Some nice open ended plot hooks for later in the season too, especially the last scene !

Seconded. What a show! So many questions that will keep me watching.

I believe amy has a Schroedinger fetus

Well it definitely puts a spin on the phrase 'a little bit pregnant'

HURRY UP AND BE SATURDAY NIGHT!!!!!

Better episode, worse and worse with the River Song stampede of awesome.

..or I'm totally wrong.

reds8n wrote:

Spoiler:

So, I'm wondering if the time lord like child is in fact Rory and Amy's child. It having been altered/affected by their time travel adventures, the whole Rory having been a Roman robot for 3,000 years and even more so by Amy having been changed when she was revived in the Dr.s' prison in the last season.

We never actually got a definative answer as to how long they had Amy prisoner, and we had the remidner about Rory's interesting life path. Maybe the Silence needed or required someone with "temporal energies"/similar to control or power their homebrewed/built Tardis. And it was a little girls voice coming from the "lost" Tardis in the lodger episode yes ?

maybe these energies making her unstable in some way or other, hence the need for the life preserving astronaut suit.

..or I'm totally wrong.

very intersting thoughts!

The Time Lords grew the Tardises (Tardii? ), The Doctor stole it from the rest of the Time Lords

Revenent Reiko wrote:The Time Lords grew the Tardises (Tardii? ), The Doctir stole it from the rest of the Time Lords

Questionably possible. (Paradox: the Doctor has made two different claims about how he aquired the Tardis. The first was he stole it from the Time Lord Marnal, the other from a general stockpile of TARDI being decomissioned.) However, his extensive modifications to it may make it an entirely different beast from other (Type 40, mk 1) TARDI.

However, it should be pointed out that on every occasion that a psudo-TARDIS has been built, it has been because someone has captured a Time Lord, or otherwise got the information from them. Rassilon claimed to have invented Time Travel (among other things) but we also know that Rassilon was a big fat liar who murdered people and stole things. So the question becomes: Is A) the psudo Tardis we see in this and in Boarder the Type 1 Mk 1 and we're at the beginning of Time Lord history (which was, previous to our pal Rassilon, a matriarchy) or do the Silence have a time lord, and TARDIS, they've been trying to copy?

hmmm i hadnt heard he alternative to how he acquired the TARDIS, my apologies Baron.
im now wondering if the ability to create a TARDIS is somehow built into the Time Lords, and if so:
i

i dont agree that this is the beginning of the Time Lord history though, because how would the pseudo-TARDIS know to look for a Time Lord as a pilot in the Boarder?(i know it wasnt specifically a Time Lord, but you know what i mean?) The Silents wouldnt have created something they cant use would they? seems a bit silly to me but who know?


also, it turns out i cant type Time Lord properly...ever

Well, it's stated at different points that not every citizen of Gallifrey is a Time Lord, but they are all the same species. So it's not genetic. Rassilon claims to have more or less 'invented' time travel, but again, considering he attempted to murder some of his own colleagues in that endeavor, it's possible that he stole or found the technology from somewhere else.

Consider: Silence create their own version of the TARDIS, which is drifting around time and space. Rassilon finds it, kills anyone else who knew, claims to have invented it, and then tries to eliminate anyone who might talk.

The sad part is that this is entirely possible without retcons.

i get what you mean (incredible as it is) but i cant see a motive for it yet. Definitely plausible though.

BaronIveagh wrote:

Revenent Reiko wrote:The Time Lords grew the Tardises (Tardii? ), The Doctir stole it from the rest of the Time Lords

Questionably possible. (Paradox: the Doctor has made two different claims about how he aquired the Tardis. The first was he stole it from the Time Lord Marnal, the other from a general stockpile of TARDI being decomissioned.) However, his extensive modifications to it may make it an entirely different beast from other (Type 40, mk 1) TARDI.

Bonus fanboy points for namechecking Marnal.

Can not both be true? The Tardis was ready to be decommissioned and he helped himself to it. In it's during its operational period it was 'owned' by Marnal but he was dealt with by the Doctor's parents. He's also claimed to have only 'borrowed' it which plainly isn't true. A Tardis seems to have some kind of symbiotic link with its owner, so one could 'belong' to someone even if it's been retired. It could explain why the first Doctor didn't really know how to control it, he had a notebook to help with the controls (which he then lost) and was left aimlessly wandering (though he would take offence at having this pointed out). Over the years he seems to have become more and more attached to it, not only does he have greater control over it, but in Planet of the Spiders it brings him 'home' when he is dying, and by the current series he's largely able to make precision landings hopping around in time and space and it opens to a snap of the fingers (which I don't personally like but it's proving the point).

I thought Time Lords become Tiem Lords by being exposed to the Time Vortex around the age of eight.

How are candidates picked, if it isn't genetic?

BTW there is genetic variation between members of a species. The Time Lord capability might be a trait like blue eyes, colour blindness and detached ear lobes are in humans.

It's not really very clear how they are 'picked' seeing as there are families of Timelords, there's never been any suggestion that there are any 'failed' Timelords.

I would assume that in distant history (Probably Rassilon era) their society split into those that could become Timelords and those that could not, and this applies to their children too. The 'could nots' now get all the menial jobs or live outside Timelord society which has been shown on TV.

There is something called the 'Rassilon Imprimatur' which appears to be the sympiotic link required for operating a Tardis and no one is born with it. This might come as a package of gifts like the ability to regenerate and their heightened sense of temporal affects around them.

If we get into the 'expanded universe', to borrow the Star Wars term, then Time Lords are not born biologically but 'loomed'. There are families of Timelords who create their children artificially though using their family genetic material. Though it's partly contradicted by odd little things in the series (Doctor Who is full of inconsistencies anyway) it's neither been rejected nor confirmed out right. That said the Doctor clearly has been stated to have biological parents, but that's a whole heap of trouble...

What really makes a mess of it is the 'Doctor's Daughter' episode, as it's not clear if she's regenerating or it's a side effect of the terraforming device. While we don't have the dramatic BOOM and then a new person, Tennant points out in Doctor Who Confidential that Jenny is, in fact, a Time Lord or 'something similar'.

Might Regeneration be an ability that regular people have there, and that Time Vortex amplifies this? Remember what happens with Rose and that silly time vortex...

Most Timelords don't appear to travel the universe, and the time vortex, though. They are a miserable lot and tend to watch from afar. It's interfering that gets the Doctor's wrists slapped.

By Gork, Day of the Moon was AWESOME!!!

BaronIveagh wrote:Well, it's stated at different points that not every citizen of Gallifrey is a Time Lord, but they are all the same species. So it's not genetic. Rassilon claims to have more or less 'invented' time travel, but again, considering he attempted to murder some of his own colleagues in that endeavor, it's possible that he stole or found the technology from somewhere else.

Just to make sure, Rassilon was Timothy Dalton's character from End of Time, right?

BaronIveagh wrote:What really makes a mess of it is the 'Doctor's Daughter' episode, as it's not clear if she's regenerating or it's a side effect of the terraforming device. While we don't have the dramatic BOOM and then a new person, Tennant points out in Doctor Who Confidential that Jenny is, in fact, a Time Lord or 'something similar'.

Might Regeneration be an ability that regular people have there, and that Time Vortex amplifies this? Remember what happens with Rose and that silly time vortex...

As far as I can tell, regerations can be quite different. 9 absorbed the Time Vortex and had a nice lightshow. 10 actually destroyed the Tardis with his regeneration. Though that might have something to do with him keeping it back for so long. Or maybe radiation poisening just requires a lot of regernative energies, who knows?


But if Rory can still remember his life as a Roman altough they rebootet the universe, does that mean that he's still a robot?