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Anung Un Rama wrote:Just to make sure, Rassilon was Timothy Dalton's character from End of Time, right?
Yes, apparently, he regenerated since the original series, were he was played by Richard Matthews.
Anung Un Rama wrote:
But if Rory can still remember his life as a Roman altough they rebootet the universe, does that mean that he's still a robot?
No, as the Doctor explains to Amy when she wonders how she can remember people that no longer exist, being a time traveler means you can remember things that ended up not happening.
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Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
Anung Un Rama wrote:
But if Rory can still remember his life as a Roman altough they rebootet the universe, does that mean that he's still a robot?
No, as the Doctor explains to Amy when she wonders how she can remember people that no longer exist, being a time traveler means you can remember things that ended up not happening.
ahh see if forgot that he was real again, so when Rory and River burst out if the TARDIS, i was expecting to see Rory blasting away with his weird finger gun as well as River.
I do however remember that time travelers memories are special, so one out of two isnt bad
inmygravenimage wrote:Have courage, faith and beer, my friend - it will be done!
Anung Un Rama wrote:Just to make sure, Rassilon was Timothy Dalton's character from End of Time, right?
Nope, that was some Lord President guy who appeared in the old episodes. Rassilon is dead, I think.
It was supposed to be Rassilon. I think we have to conclude that, like the Master, the Timelords resurrected him during the time war because according to all other information on the matter Rassilon is long dead. Well sort of, his tomb in on Gallifrey and while seemingly dead he still has some sort of consciousness. He claims to have found immortality, but the price appears to be that you are in some sort of eternal sleep.
Anung Un Rama wrote:But if Rory can still remember his life as a Roman altough they rebootet the universe, does that mean that he's still a robot?
No, as the Doctor explains to Amy when she wonders how she can remember people that no longer exist, being a time traveler means you can remember things that ended up not happening.
Yeah, but that was really weird. Amy remembered the soldiers in the Angels-episode last season but she forgot Rory because he was important to her. How does that make any sense?
It was interesting to see that the silence was already hinted at last season. I'm still not sure if all plot threads from that episode we're resolved.
Something that doesn't seem to make much sense is how now the Doctor, Amy, Rory and River can remember the Silence.
I know they're all being killed off by humans but you'd think their 'effect' would still last even if they're all dead. Not all of them would be dead yet anyway, surely some would get away.
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WARBOSS TZOO wrote:Grab your club, hit her over the head, and drag her back to your cave. The classics are classic for a reason.
Lord-Loss wrote:Something that doesn't seem to make much sense is how now the Doctor, Amy, Rory and River can remember the Silence.
I think the 3 months between part 1 and 2 could use a bit more explanation.
Lord-Loss wrote:I know they're all being killed off by humans but you'd think their 'effect' would still last even if they're all dead. Not all of them would be dead yet anyway, surely some would get away.
I believe scaring them away was the entire point to begin with.
will we be allowed to talk about this weeks episode then ? Or stars therein anyway eh ?
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Kilkrazy wrote:Almost all SF aliens are people in make-up. There is a limit to how much make-up you can put on an actor and let them still act. This has been true since the early 20th century.
The Genestealers are meant to be distorted humans. You can either credit GW's artist for the clever way they realised the standard TV trope in 2D art, or you can damn them for the lack of originality in designing aliens.
I diden't know that Genestealers are meant to be distorted humans.
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Kilkrazy wrote:There is an awesome Flash game in which you are a Dalek and have to escape from the underground lab, exterminating all in your way.
This has been out for years but still I love it!I still on the last level though.
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reds8n wrote:
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So, I'm wondering if the time lord like child is in fact Rory and Amy's child. It having been altered/affected by their time travel adventures, the whole Rory having been a Roman robot for 3,000 years and even more so by Amy having been changed when she was revived in the Dr.s' prison in the last season.
We never actually got a definative answer as to how long they had Amy prisoner, and we had the remidner about Rory's interesting life path. Maybe the Silence needed or required someone with "temporal energies"/similar to control or power their homebrewed/built Tardis. And it was a little girls voice coming from the "lost" Tardis in the lodger episode yes ?
maybe these energies making her unstable in some way or other, hence the need for the life preserving astronaut suit.
..or I'm totally wrong.
Same here...
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I was thinking that the girl was deffently amys child, but Im not sure about it beeing royes? Could be the doctors and amys.Or just the doctors beacuse in serise 3-4 (can't rember off the top of my head) he mentioned about him beeing a dad or somethig...Then when the time lords return theres a old woman...His mum?....One on the previous doctors has a cousen (or something) that travels around with him for a while...Weord or what?...Or is it a cowisendeced?....Whatever it is we are deffently going to find out in this serise.....Keep your eyes peeled chaps....ASP....
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and yes, the Doctor has stated he was a father, and i think the ambiguity about the child is kinda the point. More importantly, as someone said before, is it possible that the child really is Amy's but is she now partially a Time Lord because of hat happened in the Pandorica?
Automatically Appended Next Post: btw i dont mean to be harsh about spelling, its just a bit of a pain to read thats all
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inmygravenimage wrote:Have courage, faith and beer, my friend - it will be done!
Whilst not spawned, she was created using a machine that successfully took the Doctor's DNA and turned it into a descendant. She is also seemingly able to regenerate, as is shown at the end of the episode, and then she leaves and isn't heard of again.
It is possible that there is another progenation machine in the universe, and possibly, just possibly, this was used to create another time lord (or lady, in this case) in the form of the little girl we see, who has no name (like the doctor's daughter, who is named 'Jenny' by Donna) and the fact that the Doctor believes Jenny to be dead could prevent him from figuring it out too early so a plotline can develop.
Moffat is also the one credited with suggesting that Jenny comes back to life, and seeing as though he has a hand writing these episodes, he could have plans for her.
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
BaronIveagh wrote:Yes, but that takes place after the conversation in question.
Seeing as the largest theme of Dr Who is time travel, I don't really see how this could be an issue.
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
Point of fact, however, we're following (mostly) the Doctor's frame of reference, so he wouldn't have said that, as, for him, it wouldn't have happened yet.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
It might just be my lack of sleep, but what is that which he would not have said?
EDIT: I think it may well be my lack of sleep, as i'm losing concentration when reading the last few pages of the thread and keep having to go back and making sense of the posting order.
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Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
BaronIveagh wrote:Where he's talking about having been a father before. Unless of course Jenny goes back in time to...and ...no, that paradox makes my head hurt.
Aye, Jenny going back in time would be my argument to that, as she states that she wants to be like her father when leaving in her pod, and how better to be like him than travelling through time and spending a lot of time running
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
Whilst not spawned, she was created using a machine that successfully took the Doctor's DNA and turned it into a descendant. She is also seemingly able to regenerate, as is shown at the end of the episode, and then she leaves and isn't heard of again.
It is possible that there is another progenation machine in the universe, and possibly, just possibly, this was used to create another time lord (or lady, in this case) in the form of the little girl we see, who has no name (like the doctor's daughter, who is named 'Jenny' by Donna) and the fact that the Doctor believes Jenny to be dead could prevent him from figuring it out too early so a plotline can develop.
Moffat is also the one credited with suggesting that Jenny comes back to life, and seeing as though he has a hand writing these episodes, he could have plans for her.
Ture,
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There need to be another eposide on jenny.The girl could be half human half timelord...And yes I know that when donner bacame it she nearly died....I't enver ment to happen barldy barldy ballar....
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So, I'm wondering if the time lord like child is in fact Rory and Amy's child. It having been altered/affected by their time travel adventures, the whole Rory having been a Roman robot for 3,000 years and even more so by Amy having been changed when she was revived in the Dr.s' prison in the last season.
We never actually got a definative answer as to how long they had Amy prisoner, and we had the remidner about Rory's interesting life path. Maybe the Silence needed or required someone with "temporal energies"/similar to control or power their homebrewed/built Tardis. And it was a little girls voice coming from the "lost" Tardis in the lodger episode yes ?
maybe these energies making her unstable in some way or other, hence the need for the life preserving astronaut suit.
..or I'm totally wrong.
Apart from the fact that there we're several different "people" who got people into the room inj The lodger it has been stated that someone tried to build a Tardis, so that's a very interesting theory.
I'm a bit fuzzy about the universe rebooting. How exactly did they revive Amy with the Pandorica?
- Just so that we will remember it, the Alien pilots armor read D.I.H.S. Why do Aliens write in English? - Again, the woman with the eyepatch who's looking at Amy from some sort of parallel world. The way she opens those doors and speaks to Amy I'd say we have an Asylum/Hospital thing coming up. - Also: SPACE PIRATES!!!
Apart from the foreshadowing, it was another very enjoyable episode. Took them long enough to make a pirate episode and I needed that after the season premire wasn't the Western I was hoping for.
Wait a minute! Maybe we WILL get a Western episode. Think about it. When Amy and Rory came to the Doctor in Impossible Astronaut he was 200 years older. That kinda works out, doesn't it?
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I thought it was a terrible episode; apart from a bit near the end, the acting was all very half-arsed to me. It also didn't seem to have anything to do with... well, anything, bar the second point in Anung's spoiler tag.
Here's to hoping that it's just one of the odd rubbish episodes you get with every series and that next week's is better, because it looks like it will be.
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
His Mother? could have sworn she died with the Fall of Galifrey Also, the Ood....AGAIN??!!
Personally i thought the woman with the eyepatch was a midwife: 'your doing really well' *fake smile* while looking down. Makes me think of a midwife looking at a prospective mother when shes on the bed giving birth for some reason. Albeit the black clothes dont really fit with a hospital (white is for clean)
inmygravenimage wrote:Have courage, faith and beer, my friend - it will be done!
His Mother? could have sworn she died with the Fall of Galifrey Also, the Ood....AGAIN??!!
Personally i thought the woman with the eyepatch was a midwife: 'your doing really well' *fake smile* while looking down. Makes me think of a midwife looking at a prospective mother when shes on the bed giving birth for some reason. Albeit the black clothes dont really fit with a hospital (white is for clean)
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The Ood are really getting on my nerves now. Unlike the Daleks, they don't seem to play any major role in anything; they've not been at war with the Time Lords or Makind and they just seem to be <generic Alien> for any episodes that need a baddie or goodie and they can't be arsed thinking up anything new.
The black-clothed 'midwife' reminds me of Franky from Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.
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Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
His Mother? could have sworn she died with the Fall of Galifrey Also, the Ood....AGAIN??!!
Personally i thought the woman with the eyepatch was a midwife: 'your doing really well' *fake smile* while looking down. Makes me think of a midwife looking at a prospective mother when shes on the bed giving birth for some reason. Albeit the black clothes dont really fit with a hospital (white is for clean)
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The Ood are really getting on my nerves now. Unlike the Daleks, they don't seem to play any major role in anything; they've not been at war with the Time Lords or Mankind and they just seem to be <generic Alien> for any episodes that need a baddie or goodie and they can't be arsed thinking up anything new.
The black-clothed 'midwife' reminds me of Franky from Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.
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Yup same here with the Ood, i liked the first episode or so with them in, but when they started to find lame reasons to use them....not so much.
i definitely has to Google sky captain and the World ofTomorrow , but yes she does look like that character.
inmygravenimage wrote:Have courage, faith and beer, my friend - it will be done!
^ You can find two clips of the episode, a clip from the next Doctor Who Confidential and some more stuff on the blog of the writer of the episode. Just scroll down.
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WARBOSS TZOO wrote:Grab your club, hit her over the head, and drag her back to your cave. The classics are classic for a reason.
Avatar 720 wrote:I thought it was a terrible episode; apart from a bit near the end, the acting was all very half-arsed to me. It also didn't seem to have anything to do with... well, anything, bar the second point in Anung's spoiler tag.
Here's to hoping that it's just one of the odd rubbish episodes you get with every series and that next week's is better, because it looks like it will be.
Could be the doctors and amys.Or just the doctors beacuse in serise 3-4 (can't rember off the top of my head) he mentioned about him beeing a dad or somethig...Then when the time lords return theres a old woman...His mum?....One on the previous doctors has a cousen (or something) that travels around with him for a while...Weord or what?...Or is it a cowisendeced?....Whatever it is we are deffently going to find out in this serise.....Keep your eyes peeled chaps....ASP....
