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2011/02/23 05:50:46
Subject: Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
metallifan wrote:I thought it was previously agreed upon long ago that Peanut Butter was proof of the existence of God, or at least one very, very wise man.
I suppose Coconut can be Peanut Butter's distant cousin that rarely visits, but always has a good time when he does.
There are countless things that are proof of the existence of God. Here are but a few.
*Weiner Dogs
*Their aquatic counsins - Otters
*Louisiana
There are also proofs that God is a jokester:
*Peanut Butter
*Jessica Alba
*Queso
*Cancun
*the Porsche 928
Fixed.
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2011/02/23 11:58:47
Subject: Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
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2011/02/23 12:14:49
Subject: Re:Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
generalgrog wrote:Interesting...now show me where gentries scientific journal reports have been refuted in a scientific journal instead of some internet website.
GG
The first link mentions the work of Wakefield in 88 showing that at least some of the samples used by Gentry were not granite. Which demonstrates Gentry's lack of awareness of geological issues, which is a problem when as a physicist he's working in a geological field. Meanwhile Collins shows that Gentry is only able to identify Polonium haloes consistant with certain types of Uranium decay, and not others, indicating that it likely has nothing to do with alpha particles.
But that's almost certainly not good enough for you, because your mind is made up.
Thanks sebbie. Both links contain links upon links to other published articles that say exactly what they are saying in the forum. They are merely discussing them and pointing out the relevant passages. It's like YMDC for science!
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Coconuts...really...thats was the best that they could come up with? Talk about Fail, in fact thats an Epic Fail with no chance of it becomming a Win.
Coconuts.....
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frgsinwntr wrote:ALSO. I'm curious... what argument do you have for creationism? The Bible isn't an argument btw... We need physical evidence... which we can test.
I'm afraid then when someone thinks the bible is the literal word of God they don't require any further evidence be given.
The larger point is, I don't think proving the world was created by God is going to win people over to Salvation. I know that Jesus certainly didn't mention it when he gave the Great Commission. I think he talked more about loving everyone and being excellent to each other. I think more Christians should work on that.
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2011/02/23 19:10:02
Subject: Re:Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
I liked one of the comments on the youtube page for that family guy thing.
something like "atheism is a religion that there is no god" is like saying "not playing football is a sport".
That's kind of a good point, because as being raised with no religion whatsoever, I am hardly a devout practicing atheist, I simply don't care. I have in the past been in debates which could be considered intellectual if not for the fact that they were with religious people, where I am accused of having an unprovable belief too (as if this justifies theeir unprovable belief). I had always thought that simply not having a belief (other than "I don't know and god is not my problem until you make it my problem") would take me out of the arena. But apparently inventing the sport makes everybody in the game whether they know it or not, and some of us just don't know the rules of the game invented around us enough to play it well according to the rules of others. I don't play football, and I don't play make-believe either, so I can't have a 0 score because I don't believe the scores matter either. I wish I had thought of that analogy when I had to retort the raging unwanted street preacher calling my GF a slut while we were walking through Pioneer Square a couple years ago.
I'm both chaotic and orderly. I value my own principles, and am willing to go to extreme lengths to enforce them, often trampling on the very same principles in the process. At best, I'm heroic and principled; at worst, I'm hypocritical and disorderly.
2011/02/23 21:11:14
Subject: Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
Oh, heard another argument as to why there are no Dinosaurs anymore....
Apparently, once upon a time there was a lot more oxygen (actually true) in the atmosphere. As such, Dinosaurs required simpler respiratory systems (also true, as far as I understand). Then, it all goes a bit loopy. Apparently, Dinosaur nostrils were no bigger than our own (erm...demonstratably false) and due to the lack of oxygen, they had to breather harder and faster (whaaaa?) leading to friction in the nostrils, causing....spontaneous combustion. Hence why there are no dinosaurs, but stories of fire breathing science....
Mmmmm....psuedoscience!
And yes, it was a Creationist. Video is up on youtube somewhere.
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2011/02/23 21:12:35
Subject: Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
Guitardian wrote:
something like "atheism is a religion that there is no god" is like saying "not playing football is a sport".
That's kind of a good point, because as being raised with no religion whatsoever, I am hardly a devout practicing atheist, I simply don't care.
If that is the care then don't care. Don't mention it, let it slip by. I have a non interest in football, expressed by a non-interest, got a football thread, I ignore it. Don't care to the point that I don't know who these big players are or where they play or what they are doing.
However you analogy might hold more sense if so many people didn't regularly turn up for a not-football match and kick off.
Dont deceive yourself, this is far from the first time you have made your religious choices heard on Dakka. Type away! Just dont make out you have no opinion, unless you were consistently posting in your sleep.
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2011/02/23 21:15:22
Subject: Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
The point is that, if not for other people's religious beliefs, I wouldn't have to live in a world where I had to take a non-stance in the first place.
If I say "There is no Grooblesnitz" and someone says "yeah, probably not I've never heard of it either" then we're all off the hook.
If I keep hearing about God, though, I am forced by its existance (not God, but discussions about god) to have a stance of having no stance. The difference between that and football is that people don't rationalize their morality around football. If you don't care for football you can not bother with the game. If you don't care about god however, it is still everywhere around you forcing itself on you through political decisions, laws stemming from puritanical taboos, and the fact that I may still pay property taxes because not enough people believe in my giant killer whale with ouija board theory to make me legitimate.
I'm both chaotic and orderly. I value my own principles, and am willing to go to extreme lengths to enforce them, often trampling on the very same principles in the process. At best, I'm heroic and principled; at worst, I'm hypocritical and disorderly.
2011/02/23 21:35:08
Subject: Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
frgsinwntr wrote:ALSO. I'm curious... what argument do you have for creationism? The Bible isn't an argument btw... We need physical evidence... which we can test.
I'm afraid then when someone thinks the bible is the literal word of God they don't require any further evidence be given.
Not really a fair comment that. Some think that way, very few I find, and they are easy to spot. Looking for evidence is not only acceptable its encouraged, on a personal level it is known as testimony. It can also branch into the sciences a lot of archeological work in the Middle East is religious based, and a lot of what they find supports scripture. Do not make the base assumption that just because someone has 'got religion' they have no need to think or look for answers, it just is not so.
Monster Rain wrote:
The larger point is, I don't think proving the world was created by God is going to win people over to Salvation. I know that Jesus certainly didn't mention it when he gave the Great Commission. I think he talked more about loving everyone and being excellent to each other. I think more Christians should work on that.
This is true, but requires a little bit of clarification: The real goal is to reveal the concept of Jesus as saviour via His death on the cross as a scapegoat for the crimes of man and subsequent resurrection due to His personal innocence, wherupon the lawful not-guilty verdict is passed onto anyone who accepts it. Preaching this message known as salvation by grace is the Great Commission.
The loving people bit is something that comes naturally from the Holy Spirit and is not actually the Great Commission itself but a side effect. Done correctly it works, done incorrectly, well - we have all seen the result.
The reason we discuss evolution is not any fixation on the subject on the part of the church, but a need to defend against attack.
The dogma that 'evolution disproves God' is still very prevalent, I find I am playing whack-a-mole with it every couple of months or so. The Family Guy clip is evident of that, see how the 'churches' alternative to evolution is depicted : hardline young earthism. Yes the clip has comic licence but the message remains and is all too often the only one seen. Too many God-haters like to imply 'science say this and the church says that' placing evolution apparently in their court and making blanket claims on what others believe based on a small minority.
Its also interesting that this always comes to the foot of the Christian church, and not the Moslems or Jews who also consider Genesis sacred. It has not escaped my attention that some of those taking an atheistic point of view in supposed 'atheism vs theism' arguments, with the theism being attacked being identifiably Christianity, and some of the 'atheists' revealing themselves as Buddhists on other threads.
If you want to see a different side ask a different question.
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2011/02/23 21:43:41
Subject: Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
I don't think the theism in question is necessarily Christianity, Orlanth, it is the notion in the first place that gets challenged by unbelievers. I don't hink it is believing that Christianity is necessarily wrong from most Atheist perspectives, just that none of them make any sense and all of them are wrong, human creations, human stories, not a word of a god.
It so happens that (at least in the society I grew up around) Christianity happens to be the prevalent and most visible one and maybe that is why you don't see as many challenges to muslim views, because they aren't as prevalent, and they get attacked enough anyway for the douchebaggery that is sharia law, jihad, and all that. You also don't see as many attacks against jews, maybe because it is taboo, just let them be (in the case of the NYC hassidic community) or insular and don't want anything to do with us either. Christianity jumps out at people actively, and as such, it gets the to be the scapegoat target of unbelievers crying "nonsense!"
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2011/02/23 21:53:16
Subject: Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
Guitardian wrote:I don't think the theism in question is necessarily Christianity, Orlanth, it is the notion in the first place that gets challenged by unbelievers.
True, the nail that sticks out furthest gets the hammer.
It doesnt get taken to the Jews door partly because Judaism is insular but also because anti-Semitic is a nasty label, no-one has too many problems being anti-Christian.
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2011/02/23 22:22:27
Subject: Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
Guitardian wrote:I don't think the theism in question is necessarily Christianity, Orlanth, it is the notion in the first place that gets challenged by unbelievers.
True, the nail that sticks out furthest gets the hammer.
It doesnt get taken to the Jews door partly because Judaism is insular but also because anti-Semitic is a nasty label, no-one has too many problems being anti-Christian.
I like Christians, some of them, one of my best friends is a pastor in Portland and a very wise old man I have known for a long time. Despite being an ordained minister, leader of a church congregation, and believing in the message of Jesus Christ, he and I alike have no problem being upset about some of the things done or said in the name of "Christianity". Creationism is an obvious easy target, but more specifically when it comes into play in government, social views regarding abortion, gay marriage, creationism in schools, and things like the 'bible belt' vote that politicians have to pander to whether or not they care. Those are the things that get most atheists (or just irreligious people in general, not necessarily militant atheists) agitated.
And yes you are spot on about the fear of being anti-semitic causing them to kind of get off the hook (and get a whole country of their own that causes no end of problems to the rest of the world, yet still gets backing from the U.S. tax dollar - but that's another story).
A lot of non-christian's views of Christians are marred by the bible thumping preacher in the public area that nobody wants to listen to but who legally is protected in his rights to be a loud donkey-cave.
I'm both chaotic and orderly. I value my own principles, and am willing to go to extreme lengths to enforce them, often trampling on the very same principles in the process. At best, I'm heroic and principled; at worst, I'm hypocritical and disorderly.
2011/02/23 23:07:07
Subject: Re:Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
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Coconuts...really...thats was the best that they could come up with? Talk about Fail, in fact thats an Epic Fail with no chance of it becomming a Win.
Coconuts.....
Bless you for finding and posting that! Freakin' great stuff!
frgsinwntr wrote:
generalgrog wrote:
MisterMoon wrote:No one doubts that religious fundementals are a dangerous breed.
And some of the most dangrous ones are the fundamentalist athiests.
GG
Fundamentalism in any regard, is dangerous
ALSO. I'm curious... what argument do you have for creationism? The Bible isn't an argument btw... We need physical evidence... which we can test.
+1 on any/all fundamentalism being bad, mkay! but i thought Red X was the proof of creation!?
Monster Rain wrote:
frgsinwntr wrote:ALSO. I'm curious... what argument do you have for creationism? The Bible isn't an argument btw... We need physical evidence... which we can test.
I'm afraid then when someone thinks the bible is the literal word of God they don't require any further evidence be given.
The larger point is, I don't think proving the world was created by God is going to win people over to Salvation. I know that Jesus certainly didn't mention it when he gave the Great Commission. I think he talked more about loving everyone and being excellent to each other. I think more Christians should work on that.
+1, i could not agree with you more!
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2011/02/23 23:23:19
Subject: Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
Guitardian wrote:I don't think the theism in question is necessarily Christianity, Orlanth, it is the notion in the first place that gets challenged by unbelievers.
True, the nail that sticks out furthest gets the hammer.
It doesnt get taken to the Jews door partly because Judaism is insular but also because anti-Semitic is a nasty label, no-one has too many problems being anti-Christian.
I like Christians, some of them, one of my best friends is a pastor in Portland and a very wise old man I have known for a long time. Despite being an ordained minister, leader of a church congregation, and believing in the message of Jesus Christ, he and I alike have no problem being upset about some of the things done or said in the name of "Christianity". Creationism is an obvious easy target, but more specifically when it comes into play in government, social views regarding abortion, gay marriage, creationism in schools, and things like the 'bible belt' vote that politicians have to pander to whether or not they care. Those are the things that get most atheists (or just irreligious people in general, not necessarily militant atheists) agitated.
Not just you atheists, either. Those of us coming from different religions also aren't too psyched to see politicians who can't understand or don't respect the principle of Separation of Church & State trying to weld their particular religious beliefs into law. The founders specifically wanted religion separate from governance because they knew from (then) current and recent history what one sect does to another's worshippers when one is exalted in and linked to the government. Look at the English Civil War and Cromwell burning Catholics.
We're also not too happy to see large Christian congregations used as tools in election politics, especially when it's done in violation of IRS restrictions on nonprofit churches. Or even when it's done without breaking the letter of the law but while circumventing it, for that matter.
From my perspective the inappropriate application of religious (or religiously-derived) doctrine into the public and legislative sphere is harmful and sometimes actively dangerous. I remember the first time I read Deuteronomy 12:3 as a kid, the KJV version. I was kind of upset and worried. I already knew that they were burning people's D&D books ( ); I wasn't psyched about the prospect of them burning my places of worship.
King James Bible wrote:And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place.
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2011/02/24 00:57:50
Subject: Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
Who gave you that crazy idea? Was it the Scientists who have actually invested time, money, effort, data, research, isotope readings, etc.....or those theistic believers that postulate off the top of their head?
Yea! Those crazy scientists and their science! Being all sciencey and proven and stuff! Well if they don't like the truth, that T-Rex clearly ate Coconuts, then they can pack up their science into their science-type-cars, and giiiiiit out!
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Mike Noble wrote:Yeah, it would seem to me that a lot of people think of this when they think of Christianity.
Who isn't on that list somewhere?
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2011/02/24 01:47:10
Subject: Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
2011/02/24 01:56:56
Subject: Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
2011/02/24 02:03:20
Subject: Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
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