Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy

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**Fafnir**

Sckitzo wrote:

Wouldn't Bisexual mean they had some sort of affection or attraction to their wives? Of course, maybe not, alot of people seem to hate their spouse and are considered straight...

That's always made me wonder, if there is nothing beyond a sexual attraction to one gender or another, does that count towards classifying yourself? Or is the simple act of say sex without love (love being such a debatable term) good enough for the label?

There, I think I just confused us all, know I did me.

See my notes. Although sexual identity is a factor, actual attraction and arousal is the defining factor in sexuality. A man who is attracted to men is gay. A man who by some cruel twist of fate is made to have sex with another man, even though he's not at all attracted to men, is not gay. Like in prison.

It's possible to have a very loving relationship without it being sexual. See 'Boston wives.'

**Da Boss**

Biccat: What you say is true to an extent, I think. I mean, I disagree with a lot of your views, sometimes somewhat vehemently. But I respect the fact that you don't get personal very often that I've seen. I used to think Dakka wasn't a friendly place for lefty liberals, but the balance has shifted over time.

**o0shotty0o**

Chowderhead wrote:
Da Boss wrote:Nah Shotty makes a good point there. We're far too troll happy around here.

I mean, I am at least half troll tonight and no one has thrown that label at me yet. But Shotty is having difficulty backing up his emotional gut feeling so we label him a troll, rather than a reactionary.

Tis an unfair world, indeed.

Fine. Da Boss, I declare the Troll!

Your funny calling other people trolls when you your self are trolling infact all you ever do is troll

EVERYBODY LISTEN TO YOUR KING ....................I DECLARE CHOWDERHEAD A TROLL !

**Da Boss**

Chowder is like Mulg man. He's the sleeping giant. Don't wake that gak up.
It's relentless.

**Chowderhead**

Da Boss wrote:Chowder is like Mulg man. He's the sleeping giant. Don't wake that gak up.
It's relentless.

It is. You have no idea how calm I've been.

**RatBot**

Da Boss wrote:Biccat: What you say is true to an extent, I think. I mean, I disagree with a lot of your views, sometimes somewhat vehemently. But I respect the fact that you don't get personal very often that I've seen. I used to think Dakka wasn't a friendly place for lefty liberals, but the balance has shifted over time.

I'll second this. I usually disagree with Biccat, but he at least justifies his arguments with statements that reflect some form of logic and thoughtfulness, as opposed to "Gay people are yucky".

**biccat**

alarmingrick wrote:
biccat wrote:Dakka OT isn't very easy on people who don't accept the liberal/progressive view of things.

I don't know about that. you're still around aren't you?

Yes, but I have particular...attributes...that help me weather the storm.

(Link NSFW)

**alarmingrick**

biccat wrote:
alarmingrick wrote:
biccat wrote:Dakka OT isn't very easy on people who don't accept the liberal/progressive view of things.

I don't know about that. you're still around aren't you?

Yes, but I have particular...attributes...that help me weather the storm.

(Link NSFW)

So you're coming out on the Gay side of this debate? our did you mean your own? (ps McAfee didn't like your link

? )

**o0shotty0o**

Melissia wrote:So shotty, I noticed you ignored my serious response in favor of paying attention to the troll ones. Is taht because you don't have an answer, and admit defeat in the argument? If so, that s fine, but you should speak up.

Sckitzo wrote:Wouldn't Bisexual mean they had some sort of affection or attraction to their wives? Of course, maybe not, alot of people seem to hate their spouse and are considered straight...
Yeah, it would. Course, if they were purely homosexual theyd' probably blame it on their wives. They used to think that the wife decided when to get pregnant and what gender the child would be (even though the latter especially is actually up to the man and the former is up to her biology,which is often beyond one's control outside of diet, exercise, and then-lacking medicine).

Sckitzo wrote:That's always made me wonder, if there is nothing beyond a sexual attraction to one gender or another, does that count towards classifying yourself?
Yeah, it does. One can have a romantic relationship without it being sexual, or a sexual relationship without it being romantic. Human sexuality is a very confusing subject because we humans are very confused about our sexuality.
Sckitzo wrote:Depending on hand size you'd love the 19 style or hate it, my wife loved how it felt (tiny, carny hands, smelled of cabbage) but the .45 and 10mm rounds kicked a bit much, but a single stack may be the way to go.
My hands aren't tiny, but they are smaller than that of most men at any rate. Thing is, I've held quite a few guns when going to firing ranges with my father, and the tiny "purse guns" always feel uncomfortably small.

Of course, my first experience with guns was holding my father's hunting rifle at the ripe old age of ten, so there you go.

Im sorry if you want an informed answer to a wall of text pm me and ill get back to you in a day

Im busy slaying the ignorent and purging the gays " rides back to the battle"

**purplefood**

o0shotty0o wrote:
Chowderhead wrote:
Da Boss wrote:Nah Shotty makes a good point there. We're far too troll happy around here.

I mean, I am at least half troll tonight and no one has thrown that label at me yet. But Shotty is having difficulty backing up his emotional gut feeling so we label him a troll, rather than a reactionary.

Tis an unfair world, indeed.

Fine. Da Boss, I declare the Troll!

Your funny calling other people trolls when you your self are trolling infact all you ever do is troll

EVERYBODY LISTEN TO YOUR KING ....................I DECLARE CHOWDERHEAD A TROLL !

If he is then he's a damn good one...
Grats to you honey.

**Karon**

o0shotty0o wrote:
Chowderhead wrote:
Da Boss wrote:Nah Shotty makes a good point there. We're far too troll happy around here.

I mean, I am at least half troll tonight and no one has thrown that label at me yet. But Shotty is having difficulty backing up his emotional gut feeling so we label him a troll, rather than a reactionary.

Tis an unfair world, indeed.

Fine. Da Boss, I declare the Troll!

Your funny calling other people trolls when you your self are trolling infact all you ever do is troll

EVERYBODY LISTEN TO YOUR KING ....................I DECLARE CHOWDERHEAD A TROLL !

**Melissia**

So essentially you admit that you'd rather troll than face a serious argument because you know that your serious arguments fall flat on their faces?

**alarmingrick**

o0shotty0o wrote:
Im busy slaying the ignorent and purging the gays " rides back to the battle"

Looks to me like you're just playing with yourself.

**FITZZ**

RatBot wrote:
Da Boss wrote:Biccat: What you say is true to an extent, I think. I mean, I disagree with a lot of your views, sometimes somewhat vehemently. But I respect the fact that you don't get personal very often that I've seen. I used to think Dakka wasn't a friendly place for lefty liberals, but the balance has shifted over time.

I'll second this. I usually disagree with Biccat, but he at least justifies his arguments with statements that reflect some form of logic and thoughtfulness, as opposed to "Gay people are yucky".

Exactly, even if I may disagree with some of Biccats views, he at least comes across as intelligent in his arguments..

**RatBot**

Seriously, how are we ignorant? You have not used a shred of logic to back up your statement. Your argument is "Gay people are yucky cuz I think they are," and then any attempt to use logic to refute your statements is met with "NU UH, THEY'RE YUCKY AND YOU'RE IGNORANT".

I might be a bit trollish, but I'm using your own logic against you and you can't refute it. I'm calling you gay, yes, but that's because, by your "logic", there's a good chance you might be!

**o0shotty0o**

MrDwhitey wrote:Must be a very sad person to only want negative attention.

Negative attention ? may i remind you your the one thats giving me it ...i dont want it i m just trying to tell you that being gay is wrong .

**Karon**

o0shotty0o wrote:
MrDwhitey wrote:Must be a very sad person to only want negative attention.

Negative attention ? may i remind you your the one thats giving me it ...i dont want it i m just trying to tell you that being gay is wrong .

**MrDwhitey**

o0shotty0o wrote:Negative attention ? may i remind you your the one thats giving me it ...i dont want it i m just trying to tell you that being gay is wrong .

Must also be sad thinking everything is about you.

First my response to Karon, then to Chowder.

Lonely hun? You need a hug? I mean, I'm not exactly a twink, but I can give a good huggin'.

**biccat**

alarmingrick wrote:
biccat wrote:
alarmingrick wrote:
biccat wrote:Dakka OT isn't very easy on people who don't accept the liberal/progressive view of things.

I don't know about that. you're still around aren't you?

Yes, but I have particular...attributes...that help me weather the storm.

(Link NSFW)

So you're coming out on the Gay side of this debate? our did you mean your own? (ps McAfee didn't like your link ? )

Then McAfee sucks.

Also, anyone who believes homosexuality is a choice or genetic is being silly. The human mind is a hell of a lot more complicated than that.

**FITZZ**

o0shotty0o wrote:
MrDwhitey wrote:Must be a very sad person to only want negative attention.

Negative attention ? may i remind you your the one thats giving me it ...i dont want it i m just trying to tell you that being gay is wrong .

No...being stupid is wrong...you seem to be wrong quite a lot.

**Sckitzo**

Fafnir wrote:
See my notes. Although sexual identity is a factor, actual attraction and arousal is the defining factor in sexuality. A man who is attracted to men is gay. A man who by some cruel twist of fate is made to have sex with another man, even though he's not at all attracted to men, is not gay. Like in prison.

It's possible to have a very loving relationship without it being sexual. See 'Boston wives.'

Melissia wrote:Yeah, it would. Course, if they were purely homosexual theyd' probably blame it on their wives. They used to think that the wife decided when to get pregnant and what gender the child would be (even though the latter especially is actually up to the man and the former is up to her biology,which is often beyond one's control outside of diet, exercise, and then-lacking medicine).

Fair enough on both counts, it was half musing and half derailing the troll, and the sad thing is I've met people who if they don't think the woman chooses the childs gender think it's her fault for having "another girl"

Melissia wrote:My hands aren't tiny, but they are smaller than that of most men at any rate. Thing is, I've held quite a few guns when going to firing ranges with my father, and the tiny "purse guns" always feel uncomfortably small.

Of course, my first experience with guns was holding my father's hunting rifle at the ripe old age of ten, so there you go.

Purse guns are horrible to shoot unless you really are a carny (why am I hating on carnies now?) their normally is to much power for such a light weapons. I was going more towards the grip size then the gun size, but if your still in the market for a pistol and the 1991 doesn't pan out, look up the Jerico Baby Eagle, it's sized for people of more petite frames (it's a compact/sub compact) but has some weight behind it, and I have to admit is the nicest firing 9mm I've ever shot in my life.

**Da Boss**

Gah, maudin serious drunk moment.
Lads, you're not going to convince Shotty that you're right through rubbishing his arguments and making out like he's the devil. It doesn't work that way. I mean, I know we all argue to convince the silent majority, but I guess I'm feeling a bit sorry for what I assume is a kid with fairly simplistic stances. Nobody is gonna change his mind, and neither should we be particularly suprised by his stance. Rather, we should reflect on the conditions that create that stance.

Gah. Don't mean to be a downer. I guess I just don't like seeing one guy against the masses, especially when he's a kid.

**Chowderhead**

FITZZ wrote:
o0shotty0o wrote:
MrDwhitey wrote:Must be a very sad person to only want negative attention.

Negative attention ? may i remind you your the one thats giving me it ...i dont want it i m just trying to tell you that being gay is wrong .

No...being stupid is wrong...you seem to be wrong quite a lot.

Aw snap!

**o0shotty0o**

Melissia wrote:So essentially you admit that you'd rather troll than face a serious argument because you know that your serious arguments fall flat on their faces?

No i said if you give me a wall of text pm me it so i can give you a proper answer .

**Chowderhead**

Da Boss wrote:Gah, maudin serious drunk moment.
Lads, you're not going to convince Shotty that you're right through rubbishing his arguments and making out like he's the devil. It doesn't work that way. I mean, I know we all argue to convince the silent majority, but I guess I'm feeling a bit sorry for what I assume is a kid with fairly simplistic stances. Nobody is gonna change his mind, and neither should we be particularly suprised by his stance. Rather, we should reflect on the conditions that create that stance.

Gah. Don't mean to be a downer. I guess I just don't like seeing one guy against the masses, especially when he's a kid.

He's in Uni. Meaning he's over the age of 18. Meaning he's an adult. He has made his choices, and now we must prove to him that they are wrong in every way! It's the Internet law!

**Cheesecat**

o0shotty0o just wants attention and the arguers are just giving him attention, and the best thing to do would be to ignore him and not respond, and not say any words at all, to just let the conversation die out, to just

be quiet, so that it will be forgotten, so let's not devote another word to this, and if we just stop talking about this, then it'll go away, and do you see how cluttering up the thread like this makes it hard for people who

are trying to have an intelligent discussion.

**Da Boss**

Hmmmm. Okay. Well that changes things quite significantly iin my head.

Funny that.
Fire away.

Edit: Heh, well yeah. The original post is actually extemely interesting and some subsequent posts had me nerding away all night looking at websites and so on.

But hot damn, and abortion AND gay marriage debate in OT? I wasn't going to miss that gak if you paid me.

**o0shotty0o**

FITZZ wrote:
o0shotty0o wrote:
MrDwhitey wrote:Must be a very sad person to only want negative attention.

Negative attention ? may i remind you your the one thats giving me it ...i dont want it i m just trying to tell you that being gay is wrong .

No...being stupid is wrong...you seem to be wrong quite a lot.

Thats how your wrong.

**Chowderhead**

I agree. Everyone stop getting on the thread. We will kill it W/O mods!

**Melissia**

o0shotty0o wrote:No i said if you give me a wall of text pm me it so i can give you a proper answer .

Ah, so you DO admit tto being too cowardly to argue with me in public in this thread. Good to know.

Sckitzo wrote:Purse guns are horrible to shoot unless you really are a carny (why am I hating on carnies now?) their normally is to much power for such a light weapons. I was going more towards the grip size then the gun size, but if your still in the market for a pistol and the 1991 doesn't pan out, look up the Jerico Baby Eagle, it's sized for people of more petite frames (it's a compact/sub compact) but has some weight behind it, and I have to admit is the nicest firing 9mm I've ever shot in my life.

If it's not the 1991, I'll likely go for a SIG Sauer.