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 djones520 wrote:


To mock the danger that we face is complete and utter bs. Every day I'm at work I'm providing support for the aircraft that are carrying the remains of the Solders, Sailors, Marines, and Airmen who paid the ultimate sacrifice. Every day I work with the agency that coordinates the transport of the tens of thousands of wounded personnel back to the States. We face VERY real dangers every day, whether it's from an enemies bullet, or it's from the extreme hazards that can be found on the flight deck of those multi-billion dollar carriers, and you mocking it does nothing but degrade yourself.

Man, Obama's good at this shadow war thing with tens of thousands of wounded every day that no one hears about.

 Seaward wrote:

It has nothing to do with being holier than thou, and everything to do with the ludicrous vacancy of all mental faculties it requires to equate individuals who provide a service to their country with people taking advantage of welfare programs. One gives, the other simply takes.

I'll remember that next time one of the Dakka soldiers decides to bash government employees.

 Seaward wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
And you are technically changing your argument, you said don't suck in high school. I didn't suck in high school, hell the maximum merit based aid that my school gives for students entering this year (2013-2014) is 15,000 a year. That barely covers 1/3rd of tuition.

Suckage is comparative.

15,000 a year barely covers 1/3 of tuition? Jesus, dude, you needed to move to Virginia.

Private education at it's finest! 45 grand a year and rising... Too bad they lied to me and said my degree would take 4 years, spent 5 years in college for a degree I'm not using (atm). The federal work study/student employment and joining a fraternity were more beneficial to my professional life than the $120,000 piece of paper I got last year.


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 Grundz wrote:

 djones520 wrote:


To mock the danger that we face is complete and utter bs. Every day I'm at work I'm providing support for the aircraft that are carrying the remains of the Solders, Sailors, Marines, and Airmen who paid the ultimate sacrifice. Every day I work with the agency that coordinates the transport of the tens of thousands of wounded personnel back to the States. We face VERY real dangers every day, whether it's from an enemies bullet, or it's from the extreme hazards that can be found on the flight deck of those multi-billion dollar carriers, and you mocking it does nothing but degrade yourself.

Man, Obama's good at this shadow war thing with tens of thousands of wounded every day that no one hears about.

We tend to only hear about those killed...

Not arguing, just point out that national news media doesn't give a feth about people that may have been shot and survived.

If people wanted soldiers and welfare recipients to be treated the same, then I'd think you had a point. However, people are simply point out that some things are paid for by the state, and things that are paid for by the state ARE comparable.

 djones520 wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
It's so risky being part of the most massively powerful military force on the planet, too. I mean, the american navy, they're really up against it! It must be tough on those carriers with billions of dollars worth of defenses between you and your impoverished, desperate enemies.

I salute you Seaward!

You're going to want to stop this line of thinking.

Am I?
It's unnacceptable to be flippant about the US military on these boards now?
Pffft.

To mock the danger that we face is complete and utter bs. Every day I'm at work I'm providing support for the aircraft that are carrying the remains of the Solders, Sailors, Marines, and Airmen who paid the ultimate sacrifice. Every day I work with the agency that coordinates the transport of the tens of thousands of wounded personnel back to the States. We face VERY real dangers every day, whether it's from an enemies bullet, or it's from the extreme hazards that can be found on the flight deck of those multi-billion dollar carriers, and you mocking it does nothing but degrade yourself.

Pfft thats nothing. At any moment I could spill my coffee or get a paper cut. Now THATS danger!

I've got a good number of friends in the military. Some of them are in cushy jobs in nice bases, some are in dangerous mechanical fields and one is even a TACP.

I've got a lot of respect for what they do and how dangerous it is. I think their pay and benefits should reflect this and by and large it does.

However, I do get pretty angry when military personnel who are completely fine bashing my career and my job, calling me useless and a waste of funds are so thin skinned when anyone even BREATHES a hint that they are similar. Suck it up, people say mean things about your job. It happens. You're doing a hard job, but that doesn't make you so special that people aren't even allowed to be wrong about you out loud.

 Da Boss wrote:
If people wanted soldiers and welfare recipients to be treated the same, then I'd think you had a point. However, people are simply point out that some things are paid for by the state, and things that are paid for by the state ARE comparable.

Except they're not, of course.


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 Rented Tritium wrote:
I've got a good number of friends in the military. Some of them are in cushy jobs in nice bases, some are in dangerous mechanical fields and one is even a TACP.

I've got a lot of respect for what they do and how dangerous it is. I think their pay and benefits should reflect this and by and large it does.

However, I do get pretty angry when military personnel who are completely fine bashing my career and my job, calling me useless and a waste of funds are so thin skinned when anyone even BREATHES a hint that they are similar. Suck it up, people say mean things about your job. It happens. You're doing a hard job, but that doesn't make you so special that people aren't even allowed to be wrong about you out loud.

When did I do that, out of curiosity?

I'd also argue about pay and benefits reflecting the amount of sacrifice involved. For ossifers, sure, maybe. For junior enlisted? feth, no. Way too little cash gets to those guys.

The Military: fighring for our 1st ammendment right to call them useless while burning a US flag only to get angry when anybody actually does it.

 Seaward wrote:

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 Rented Tritium wrote:
I've got a good number of friends in the military. Some of them are in cushy jobs in nice bases, some are in dangerous mechanical fields and one is even a TACP.

I've got a lot of respect for what they do and how dangerous it is. I think their pay and benefits should reflect this and by and large it does.

However, I do get pretty angry when military personnel who are completely fine bashing my career and my job, calling me useless and a waste of funds are so thin skinned when anyone even BREATHES a hint that they are similar. Suck it up, people say mean things about your job. It happens. You're doing a hard job, but that doesn't make you so special that people aren't even allowed to be wrong about you out loud.

When did I do that, out of curiosity?

I'd also argue about pay and benefits reflecting the amount of sacrifice involved. For ossifers, sure, maybe. For junior enlisted? feth, no. Way too little cash gets to those guys.

I was talking more about Djones in this case.


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And yeah, there are definitely guys not getting enough. My TACP friend is rolling in money and bitches constantly, while my mechanic friend could definitely use a raise.

Listen, the market has obviously valued the services of those enlisted men at that level. They are getting paid what they're worth.

If the Market wanted them paid more, he'd have to take funding from other areas of the military. Is that what you want?
Damn communists.

 Rented Tritium wrote:

 Seaward wrote:

It has nothing to do with being holier than thou, and everything to do with the ludicrous vacancy of all mental faculties it requires to equate individuals who provide a service to their country with people taking advantage of welfare programs. One gives, the other simply takes.

I'll remember that next time one of the Dakka soldiers decides to bash government employees.

Er...fire them all and let god sort em out?

 d-usa wrote:
The Military: fighring for our 1st ammendment right to call them useless while burning a US flag only to get angry when anybody actually does it.

it's almost as if they are largely uppity douches that signed up because they don't/didnt have any real skills or put forth the effort to get them and want to be worshiped for doing a job they'd be sent to jail if they didn't do.
I'm still waiting to see a firefighter get in a shouting match or fistfight because someone doesn't automatically give him respect or free stuff for having a job thats supposed to be selfless.

Not arguing, just point out that national news media doesn't give a feth about people that may have been shot and survived.

I'd start a club but I think some people may report my post.

 Rented Tritium wrote:
I've got a good number of friends in the military. Some of them are in cushy jobs in nice bases, some are in dangerous mechanical fields and one is even a TACP.

I've got a lot of respect for what they do and how dangerous it is. I think their pay and benefits should reflect this and by and large it does.

However, I do get pretty angry when military personnel who are completely fine bashing my career and my job, calling me useless and a waste of funds are so thin skinned when anyone even BREATHES a hint that they are similar. Suck it up, people say mean things about your job. It happens. You're doing a hard job, but that doesn't make you so special that people aren't even allowed to be wrong about you out loud.

Fire half of 'em and let God sort 'em out?

I'm all for paying teachers, military, and public servants well.

I'm also all for it being much easier to get rid of poor performing teachers and public servants. I'm sure the military has no problem bouncing dumbasses the hell out when they deserve it.

 kronk wrote:
I'm all for paying teachers, military, and public servants well.

I'm also all for it being much easier to get rid of poor performing teachers and public servants. I'm sure the military has no problem bouncing dumbasses the hell out when they deserve it.

Except the officers.

But you need the officers! They're the glue that holds everything together!


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 Grundz wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
The Military: fighring for our 1st ammendment right to call them useless while burning a US flag only to get angry when anybody actually does it.

it's almost as if they are largely uppity douches that signed up because they don't/didnt have any real skills or put forth the effort to get them and want to be worshiped for doing a job they'd be sent to jail if they didn't do.
I'm still waiting to see a firefighter get in a shouting match or fistfight because someone doesn't automatically give him respect or free stuff for having a job thats supposed to be selfless.

I was a firefighter for 5 years, but I didn't get paid for it so it wasn't a real job...

 d-usa wrote:
I was a firefighter for 5 years, but I didn't get paid for it so it wasn't a real job...

There's only one solution for this, go to bars in partial fireman gear and fight anyone that doesn't bow at your passing, mighty warrior of the flames

This thread has become a circus... please, do continue, I'm making popcorn :3

 Frazzled wrote:

 kronk wrote:
I'm all for paying teachers, military, and public servants well.

I'm also all for it being much easier to get rid of poor performing teachers and public servants. I'm sure the military has no problem bouncing dumbasses the hell out when they deserve it.

Except the officers.

Yeah, they give officers a medal for getting rid of more people.

 kronk wrote:
I'm all for paying teachers, military, and public servants well.

I'm also all for it being much easier to get rid of poor performing teachers

I'd say the majority of teachers that are 'poor performing' is due to poor performign parents...

I'm out for most of the day....

My advice for the military peeps current and former. Leave the thread alone. We're already been judged and its a up a mountain fight against those who are not overly familiar with the military.

First though I will leave two of my experience I've seen past 22 years of service overseas

Hunger and malnutrition is a great exmple of how "the individuals should handle charity" just doesn't work.

We almost eliminated childhood hunger at one point, then conservatives happened and they cut food programs saying "individual charity and churches and stuff will step in". Now children go to bed hungry and malnurished every night.

This is not an issue from individuals who are posting here from well off countries. I have seen kids, dead, with bloated bellies. That will leave a mental scar on you. I do not care if read about it or seen pictures of it. Reality does not sink in till you actually SEEN it. Please try to avoid throwing this perception

I'm all for America to leave other countries issues alone and avoid providing US military hardware, technical support, advisors, and opportunity to train in the US. No JRTC or NTC rotation. Pull out all US troops from Germany and Italy along with UK. Pull the US Navy out of the Med. Honor the commitments we have with South Korea, Japan, and Israel. Watch China and Russia become a dominant player between North Korea and Greenland.
Besides if there is a shooting match wait for about a year for the US to build p the forces and transport vessels/aircrafts to get us to the fight Actually might not happen due to budget cuts so maybe 2-3 years. Since its not American lives on the line I'm not overly in a rush to get over to Europe, Middle East, Eastern Europe, or SE Asia so maybe 4-5 years.

Why did laundry service in a combat zone pop up? Granted I use it every chance I get. It was five day turn around. Been quite a few times I washed my clothes with a bucket and a bar of Irish soap...shampoo...one time dog shampoo which also kills lice