Killing in Nice, France : another terrorist attack today

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**SilverMK2**

Orlanth wrote:
It goes against human instinct to drive a lorry through children with intention to kill them.
Also this was a suicide attack, the leaders need to make sure their terrorist is properly brainwashed so they don't chicken out. One of the 7/7 bombers bottled out and didnt detonate his bomb pack.
Also there will be training on hiding in society once radicalised, so the terrorist is not caught while awaiting the call to attack.

There have been uncountable numbers of attacks throughout human history which echo this most recent one. They were carried out by nationalists, religious groups, bandits, mercenaries, the mentally unstable, and many more besides.

"Human instinct" is not a universal concept. Some are more prone to fight than flight, some are more prone to empathy than self-absorbtion. It is also human instinct to tribalise and violently clash with the "other"...

Hell, look at the violent reactions in this thread where, one assumes, normal and productive members of society call for the slaughter of "the bad people".

**Orlanth**

Human instinct is a universal concept, humans are wired that way as a means of species survival. However it is muted by experience and these experiences come from a broken and savage society, as is found in parts of the middle east.

You will be correct that those who are innurred often have these instincts turned off. However this makes sense for people who come from places where life is cheap.
It is harder to radicalise a European raised person the same way, so indoctrination is needed.

**LethalShade**

I see more and more fearmongering around this every day.

Why are people so happy to find "evidences" arousing their worst fears without having the minimum self-conscience necessary to do some elementary fact-checking ?

Hell, the situation is already scary as it is, no need to put a second layer of invented massacres (Bataclan "tortures") and horrors on.

Can someone give me an explanation ?

(A bit off-topic, but I really wanted to let that out.)

**Orlanth**

Please explain what you mean, where is the fearmongering?

**Selym**

Kilkrazy wrote:
I don't know what specialist terrorist training it requires to drive a lorry through crowds.

Sociopathy?

**Kilkrazy**

Someone did it in Japan a few years ago. He certainly was not motivated by radical Islamism. It seems likely the Nice attacker was, though as he is dead we can only infer that from the fact he was a muslim and carried out an appalling massacre and ISIL have claimed credit. This is somewhat circular reasoning, though.

Sociopathy isn't the result of training, of course. It also isn't an easily recognisable condition like having a broken leg.

I suspect that some of these "radicalised Islamists" are sociopaths in the same way as the US based "postal" mass shooters, and the UK based divorced men who abduct and murder their children to prevent their ex-wife having them. They carry out an attack because of a sense of anger, loss and powerlessness and a desire to hit back at a target.

**Rosebuddy**

Orlanth wrote:
Human instinct is a universal concept, humans are wired that way as a means of species survival. However it is muted by experience and these experiences come from a broken and savage society, as is found in parts of the middle east.

You will be correct that those who are innurred often have these instincts turned off. However this makes sense for people who come from places where life is cheap.
It is harder to radicalise a European raised person the same way, so indoctrination is needed.

You mean the continent where they regularly justify and support thousands of people drowning as they try to flee to its shores and where they've built a fortress specifically for these people to fail in their search for a safe home?

**Selym**

Yeah, that place is /so/ civilised.

D'ya know, for most of the last 2,000 years, they've been covered in religious wars. They've only recently gotten out of that gak.

**Jihadin**

On 7 January 2016, the one-year anniversary of the shooting, an attempted attack occurred at a police station in the Goutte d'Or district of Paris. The assailant, a Tunisian man posing as an asylum-seeker from Iraq or Syria, charged police officers with a meat cleaver while shouting "Allahu Akbar!" and was subsequently shot and killed.

Think this one is the answear

**godardc**

Rosebuddy wrote:
Orlanth wrote:
Human instinct is a universal concept, humans are wired that way as a means of species survival. However it is muted by experience and these experiences come from a broken and savage society, as is found in parts of the middle east.

You will be correct that those who are innurred often have these instincts turned off. However this makes sense for people who come from places where life is cheap.
It is harder to radicalise a European raised person the same way, so indoctrination is needed.

You mean the continent where they regularly justify and support thousands of people drowning as they try to flee to its shores and where they've built a fortress specifically for these people to fail in their search for a safe home?

Are you speaking about Europe ? Europe, a fortress ? If yes, it must be the most unguarded and useless fortress in human History^^

**Kovnik Obama**

godardc wrote:
Rosebuddy wrote:
Orlanth wrote:
Human instinct is a universal concept, humans are wired that way as a means of species survival. However it is muted by experience and these experiences come from a broken and savage society, as is found in parts of the middle east.

You will be correct that those who are innurred often have these instincts turned off. However this makes sense for people who come from places where life is cheap.
It is harder to radicalise a European raised person the same way, so indoctrination is needed.

You mean the continent where they regularly justify and support thousands of people drowning as they try to flee to its shores and where they've built a fortress specifically for these people to fail in their search for a safe home?

Are you speaking about Europe ? Europe, a fortress ? If yes, it must be the most unguarded and useless fortress in human History^^

A bit beside the point of Rosebuddy's comment, since he was more or less referring to the fact that Europeans too, are raised to see life as cheap (as long as it's not European life, anyways).

Reference to "Fortress Europe", of course, is also a bit of a marxist meme, at the moment. So is trying to guilt Europeans and Americans for the poor judgement of others in their means of illegal entrance in a country.

**Prestor Jon**

http://www.euronews.com/2016/07/21/nice-attack-planned-in-advance-with-accomplices

Parisian prosecutor Francois Molins revealed on Thursday that the Nice attacker did not act alone. He cited evidence indicating that the five people detained were indeed his accomplices. At a press coference he said:
The evidence

“It is particularly from telephone records that the 5 individuals brought to justice today were successively arrested and placed in custody. Their involvement appears to have been in the preparation which led to the act itself. The links between Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel and the detained individuals, were also apparent in the supply of arms as well as evidence collected from the lorry. “

Accomplices

The suspects include an Albanian couple,several Tunisian and Franco-Tunisian men none of whom were known to intelligence services before the attack.Contrary to earlier reports Molins also explained how the attack was carefully planned well in advance.He told the press:

“It appears at this stage of the investigation and in light of research and photographs that Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel seems to have envisaged and developed his criminal project several months before the act.”

**Selym**

Crackdown time?

**kronk**

“It is particularly from telephone records that the 5 individuals brought to justice today were successively arrested and placed in custody. Their involvement appears to have been in the preparation which led to the act itself. The links between Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel and the detained individuals, were also apparent in the supply of arms as well as evidence collected from the lorry. “

And they got all 5. Great job! Question them and find out what else is out there. Then find out where the feth they got Grenades!? Seriously, they don't just sell them at CostCo anymore!

**jouso**

kronk wrote:
“It is particularly from telephone records that the 5 individuals brought to justice today were successively arrested and placed in custody. Their involvement appears to have been in the preparation which led to the act itself. The links between Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel and the detained individuals, were also apparent in the supply of arms as well as evidence collected from the lorry. “

And they got all 5. Great job! Question them and find out what else is out there. Then find out where the feth they got Grenades!? Seriously, they don't just sell them at CostCo anymore!

Considering the were Albanians involved it's pretty safe to assume they got them in the same place where 99% of the illegal guns in Europe: ex Yugo wars stock.

**Inquisitor Lord Bane**

Let's also not forget that French military base that had a bunch of explosives stolen from it last year...

**kronk**

Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:
Let's also not forget that French military base that had a bunch of explosives stolen from it last year...

I wasn't aware of that. Thanks.

**Inquisitor Lord Bane**

Here you go