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BrianDavion wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

Andykp wrote:
Darknesseternal wasn’t lying. He was theorising. That’s a different thing. He was suggesting a possible different way to view things. He did do it in a way that pushed your buttons but no malice.

No such thing as slave coding with Primarchs and Marines. He was probably lying since I and other readers have never heard of it before that.

proposing contrary ideas does NOT mean lying. and if you think that christ I bet you don't have a lot of friends

He said it as a statement of fact.

Onething123456 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

Andykp wrote:
Darknesseternal wasn’t lying. He was theorising. That’s a different thing. He was suggesting a possible different way to view things. He did do it in a way that pushed your buttons but no malice.

No such thing as slave coding with Primarchs and Marines. He was probably lying since I and other readers have never heard of it before that.

proposing contrary ideas does NOT mean lying. and if you think that christ I bet you don't have a lot of friends

He said it as a statement of fact.

You keep stating as a fact that Perpetuals are well written, despite no one here agreeing and only backing this up by saying some random on Reddit agrees. This does not mean you are lying, it means that you are either wrong or that others share a different viewpoint.

 ingtaer wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

Andykp wrote:
Darknesseternal wasn’t lying. He was theorising. That’s a different thing. He was suggesting a possible different way to view things. He did do it in a way that pushed your buttons but no malice.

No such thing as slave coding with Primarchs and Marines. He was probably lying since I and other readers have never heard of it before that.

proposing contrary ideas does NOT mean lying. and if you think that christ I bet you don't have a lot of friends

He said it as a statement of fact.

You keep stating as a fact that Perpetuals are well written, despite no one here agreeing and only backing this up by saying some random on Reddit agrees. This does not mean you are lying, it means that you are either wrong or that others share a different viewpoint.

Voltstagge is a good poster on Reddit, and he has posted here before.

Why do you not fancy the Perpetuals? They are not badly written. Whats so bad about them? They can be put down for good.

Onething123456 wrote:

 ingtaer wrote:


You keep stating as a fact that Perpetuals are well written, despite no one here agreeing and only backing this up by saying some random on Reddit agrees. This does not mean you are lying, it means that you are either wrong or that others share a different viewpoint.

Voltstagge is a good poster on Reddit, and he has posted here before.

Why do you not fancy the Perpetuals? They are not badly written. Whats so bad about them? They can be put down for good.

That's not a reason why they're well written. I have no idea who this Volstagge is or why I should care about their opinion. Why do you think they're well written? What is it about them you like?

Onething123456 wrote:

 ingtaer wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

Andykp wrote:
Darknesseternal wasn’t lying. He was theorising. That’s a different thing. He was suggesting a possible different way to view things. He did do it in a way that pushed your buttons but no malice.

No such thing as slave coding with Primarchs and Marines. He was probably lying since I and other readers have never heard of it before that.

proposing contrary ideas does NOT mean lying. and if you think that christ I bet you don't have a lot of friends

He said it as a statement of fact.

You keep stating as a fact that Perpetuals are well written, despite no one here agreeing and only backing this up by saying some random on Reddit agrees. This does not mean you are lying, it means that you are either wrong or that others share a different viewpoint.

Voltstagge is a good poster on Reddit, and he has posted here before.

Why do you not fancy the Perpetuals? They are not badly written. Whats so bad about them? They can be put down for good.

you're engaged in a debating fallacy there OneThing, known as An argument from authority

the fact is being a long time poster on the internet about 40k? doesn't buy you a ticket to being right. certainly not about a subjective opinion

Slipspace wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

 ingtaer wrote:


You keep stating as a fact that Perpetuals are well written, despite no one here agreeing and only backing this up by saying some random on Reddit agrees. This does not mean you are lying, it means that you are either wrong or that others share a different viewpoint.

Voltstagge is a good poster on Reddit, and he has posted here before.

Why do you not fancy the Perpetuals? They are not badly written. Whats so bad about them? They can be put down for good.

That's not a reason why they're well written. I have no idea who this Volstagge is or why I should care about their opinion. Why do you think they're well written? What is it about them you like?

Because they are Highlander type characters.

Onething123456 wrote:

Slipspace wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

 ingtaer wrote:


You keep stating as a fact that Perpetuals are well written, despite no one here agreeing and only backing this up by saying some random on Reddit agrees. This does not mean you are lying, it means that you are either wrong or that others share a different viewpoint.

Voltstagge is a good poster on Reddit, and he has posted here before.

Why do you not fancy the Perpetuals? They are not badly written. Whats so bad about them? They can be put down for good.

That's not a reason why they're well written. I have no idea who this Volstagge is or why I should care about their opinion. Why do you think they're well written? What is it about them you like?

Because they are Highlander type characters.

That was convincing.

Again that's not a reason.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Again that's not a reason.

Yeah, that's more like a description and not an entirely accurate one at that.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Again that's not a reason.

Why is it not? I want to read about Highlander type characters.

What do you like about Highlander type characters? What is it in their 40k lore that makes you think "wow, that's cool"?

FWIW I thought Highlander was utter gak, but it doesn't mean others can't appreciate it.

Onething123456 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Again that's not a reason.

Why is it not? I want to read about Highlander type characters.

This is either an elaborate, ridiculously long-form trolling, or you're so incapable of understanding the point of discussion there's not much point in continuing. I'm honestly not sure which.

Slipspace wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Again that's not a reason.

Why is it not? I want to read about Highlander type characters.

This is either an elaborate, ridiculously long-form trolling, or you're so incapable of understanding the point of discussion there's not much point in continuing. I'm honestly not sure which.

I don't troll. But to each his own about what I talked about.

Slipspace wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Again that's not a reason.

Why is it not? I want to read about Highlander type characters.

This is either an elaborate, ridiculously long-form trolling, or you're so incapable of understanding the point of discussion there's not much point in continuing. I'm honestly not sure which.

Amen.

Andykp wrote:

Slipspace wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Again that's not a reason.

Why is it not? I want to read about Highlander type characters.

This is either an elaborate, ridiculously long-form trolling, or you're so incapable of understanding the point of discussion there's not much point in continuing. I'm honestly not sure which.

Amen.

Late reply. Sorry for that. I want to let this thread die. But I have been informed that "slave coding" is nonsense by DarknessEternal. But I never doubted that since I have never heard of slave coding in any of the HH books.

Who or what is DarknessEternal and what's this stuff about slave coding?

What is the point of any of this?

 foostick wrote:
Who or what is DarknessEternal and what's this stuff about slave coding?

What is the point of any of this?

The point of this thread was to show the Emperor forced the Word Bearers to kneel and sent them flying with his voice.

Onething123456 wrote:

 foostick wrote:
Who or what is DarknessEternal and what's this stuff about slave coding?

What is the point of any of this?

The point of this thread was to show the Emperor forced the Word Bearers to kneel and sent them flying with his voice.

Thus reinforcing their belief that Emps is a god, despite Emps specifically not wishing this.

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 Galef wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

 foostick wrote:
Who or what is DarknessEternal and what's this stuff about slave coding?

What is the point of any of this?

The point of this thread was to show the Emperor forced the Word Bearers to kneel and sent them flying with his voice.

Thus reinforcing their belief that Emps is a god, despite Emps specifically not wishing this.

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And I have never heard of slave coding before DarknessEternal brought it up. Its nonsense he pulled out.

 foostick wrote:
Who or what is DarknessEternal and what's this stuff about slave coding?

What is the point of any of this?

A poster on here called darknesseternal raised a theory that the marines and primarchs had a genetic disposition to obeying the the emperor and that the emperor had no psychic power over them when he made them kneel. This became “slave coding” at some point in the discussion. I liked the idea but was just a theory.

It's also brought up in the First Heretic that Argel Tal wonders how often Lorgar will lie to him and if he'll always believe his Primarch. It's a bit of an abusive relation.

Maybe it's related to the Word Bearer's fanaticism.

 Nurglitch wrote:
It's also brought up in the First Heretic that Argel Tal wonders how often Lorgar will lie to him and if he'll always believe his Primarch. It's a bit of an abusive relation.

Maybe it's related to the Word Bearer's fanaticism.

Ignoring that many of the Primarchs and Marines decided to join Chaos before they were even tainted. The Chaos Gods could only control the Primarchs after they joined willingly.

Onething123456 wrote:

 Nurglitch wrote:
It's also brought up in the First Heretic that Argel Tal wonders how often Lorgar will lie to him and if he'll always believe his Primarch. It's a bit of an abusive relation.

Maybe it's related to the Word Bearer's fanaticism.

Ignoring that many of the Primarchs and Marines decided to join Chaos before they were even tainted. The Chaos Gods could only control the Primarchs after they joined willingly.

They were all manipulated into turning. It’s what chaos does.

Andykp wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

 Nurglitch wrote:
It's also brought up in the First Heretic that Argel Tal wonders how often Lorgar will lie to him and if he'll always believe his Primarch. It's a bit of an abusive relation.

Maybe it's related to the Word Bearer's fanaticism.

Ignoring that many of the Primarchs and Marines decided to join Chaos before they were even tainted. The Chaos Gods could only control the Primarchs after they joined willingly.

They were all manipulated into turning. It’s what chaos does.

They still joined willingly.

If they were manipulated then saying they joined willingly is only partly true, and depending on your point of view mostly wrong.. The whole thing with Chaos is that it corrupts and confuses, lies and manipulates to get what it wants. Even Magnus, with all his knowledge and intellect, was ensnared by Tzeentch against his will. The Chaos Gods were already manipulating the traitor Primarchs before they turned so they had some control over them prior to that. It's not control in the sense that the Primarchs were just puppets with no will of their own but there's a subtlety to how the Gods work that means you only see later on where the manipulation and control began.

Onething123456 wrote:

Andykp wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

 Nurglitch wrote:
It's also brought up in the First Heretic that Argel Tal wonders how often Lorgar will lie to him and if he'll always believe his Primarch. It's a bit of an abusive relation.

Maybe it's related to the Word Bearer's fanaticism.

Ignoring that many of the Primarchs and Marines decided to join Chaos before they were even tainted. The Chaos Gods could only control the Primarchs after they joined willingly.

They were all manipulated into turning. It’s what chaos does.

They still joined willingly.

Idk how many can be viewed as willing. Horus's fall was heavily influenced by a chaos inflicted wound, and then being subjected to a misleading chaos induced coma. Saying he choose chaos isn't really correct since he wasn't in a right state of mind.

HoundsofDemos wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

Andykp wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

 Nurglitch wrote:
It's also brought up in the First Heretic that Argel Tal wonders how often Lorgar will lie to him and if he'll always believe his Primarch. It's a bit of an abusive relation.

Maybe it's related to the Word Bearer's fanaticism.

Ignoring that many of the Primarchs and Marines decided to join Chaos before they were even tainted. The Chaos Gods could only control the Primarchs after they joined willingly.

They were all manipulated into turning. It’s what chaos does.

They still joined willingly.

Idk how many can be viewed as willing. Horus's fall was heavily influenced by a chaos inflicted wound, and then being subjected to a misleading chaos induced coma. Saying he choose chaos isn't really correct since he wasn't in a right state of mind.

That sword only brought him to the brink of dying. It did not influence his free will.



Many of them joined Chaos willingly, such as Magnus when he wanted to give his legion a new place to live.

re Horus there's fairly constant debate, in universe as to how much of his choice was his own free will and how much he's being controled by chaos.

BrianDavion wrote:
re Horus there's fairly constant debate, in universe as to how much of his choice was his own free will and how much he's being controled by chaos.

He was still not going to join Chaos at first when hit with the blade. It was his choice. And It was also Magnus' choice to disobey the Emperor and join Chaos.(He wanted to find a new place for his Legion in the Eye of Terror, but it was his choice.)

Onething123456 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
re Horus there's fairly constant debate, in universe as to how much of his choice was his own free will and how much he's being controled by chaos.

He was still not going to join Chaos at first when hit with the blade. It was his choice. And It was also Magnus' choice to disobey the Emperor and join Chaos.(He wanted to find a new place for his Legion in the Eye of Terror, but it was his choice.)

You seem to have a very black and white view of the world and seem to miss that a lot of subtleties to human behavior. Considering Horus's state when he fell, there is a strong but not conclusive argument that he didn't really choose it willingly and even if willing made a choice based on extremely misleading information. Magnus is an even more problematic case to pin down one way or the other since he and his sons had been manipulated to a degree their entire lives, he only fell to save his legion and then he shattered into multiple piece.