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 Mr_Rose wrote:
So, anyone order their Dwarf Giants dice yet?

No, the Dwarf dice was available in several stores so I managed to get a couple when they were originally released.

I did however order all the new ones including Skaven dice v2 so looking forward to that. I do think they look uglier then the previous dice sets, but maybe they can improve after a closer look.

 Inanimate wrote:
Too bad the models were event exclusive. I like that ogre a lot better than the plastic one, which is still cool. Oh well...

Anyone know if the goblin pitch will be neoprene or folding card?

I think they're available at Warhammer World too; talk to Dr Grotsnik.

 Jadenim wrote:

 Inanimate wrote:
Too bad the models were event exclusive. I like that ogre a lot better than the plastic one, which is still cool. Oh well...

Anyone know if the goblin pitch will be neoprene or folding card?

I think they're available at Warhammer World too; talk to Dr Grotsnik.

Thanks for the reply. Will do so.

Have you guys had time to test the dice? I've read complaints about the dice in the boxed game being loaded, or at least manufactured with really poor QC.

I did make a salt water test on all the previous dice.

Found bias towards 11 on human D16 and orc D16. Did not find any unbalance on Skaven (v1) D16 and Dwarf D16.

Unfortunately, the salt water test was not good for D6, so the test was inconclusive there. The dice simply didn't roll freely enough.

Baxx wrote:
I did make a salt water test on all the previous dice.

Found bias towards 11 on human D16 and orc D16. Did not find any balance on Skaven (v1) D16 and Dwarf D16.

Unfortunately, the salt water test was not good for D6, so the test was inconclusive there. The dice simply didn't roll freely enough.

You need to actually roll them and tally the results. Salt water tests will only tell you if they're biased, but not by how much. I'd say a couple of percent bias is probably fine and unlikely to affect a game, if it's say 10% out then I'd be looking at buying replacements.

I bought the Goblin set either way. They look nice at least.

WOW...you guys are salt water testing dice(whatever the F that means)?

I have been playing this game since the paper days, and it never crossed my mind to even worry about it. Mean to say, it just isn't worth ruining a good time.

Sorry.

 bound for glory wrote:
WOW...you guys are salt water testing dice(whatever the F that means)?

I have been playing this game since the paper days, and it never crossed my mind to even worry about it. Mean to say, it just isn't worth ruining a good time.

Sorry.

Whatever floats your boat I guess !!

Some people get very concerned about dodgy dice, I am not that bothered myself either.

Online play ( blood bowl 2 online ) is really bad in regards to people complaining about the RNG.

And to be clear I'm not mocking anyone who has the time and inclination to salt water test dice(whatever the F that is). I just know when we play(the Thursday night Hero's. we have been called the Biggest and longest running Blood Bowl league on the east coast by our local GW sales rep) we are doing so to have a good time playing the best game GW ever made. Heck, I have so many sets of Block Dice(about 40 sets) it just does'nt matter to me.

My Hobgoblin team, JFA, is doing pretty good, with a record or 3 and 1. we have just started our 27 season.

 bound for glory wrote:
WOW...you guys are salt water testing dice(whatever the F that means)?

I have been playing this game since the paper days, and it never crossed my mind to even worry about it. Mean to say, it just isn't worth ruining a good time.

Sorry.

I said I tested dice, I didn't say I worried about it.

Well, it's not completely accurate. For a demo game a friend borrowed a team and a set of dice from the new box, and the first two rounds he rolled double skulls... other than that I don't worry, it's much more an interest.

You don't find wether dice are biased or not interesting?


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:

You need to actually roll them and tally the results. Salt water tests will only tell you if they're biased, but not by how much. I'd say a couple of percent bias is probably fine and unlikely to affect a game, if it's say 10% out then I'd be looking at buying replacements.

Yes, you're right. The bias could be diminishing or actually make a difference.

I haven't bothered with rolling dice and counting cause I don't find that task vey interesting. I did try and make some photos of the new dice and see if I could get some image recognition algorithm/library make out the difference of the sides, but I didn't get very far at it. My plan was to build an automatic dice-tower with a web camera to record the results and have this program do the statistics for me. Unfortunately I know too little about image recognition.

To answer the question as to if I find dice rolls interesting?

Well, In all the years I've played the game, I don't have a favorite set of dice. I just get my dice bag and pick a set, and play the game.

I have the first skaven dice, all the dice sets GW has sold. But our league has 22 people this "season". So whatever set I grab...Who cares.

Lately, I have been using the first NAF dice, witch are Black Or the orange. I like them...

 bound for glory wrote:
I have been playing this game since the paper days, and it never crossed my mind to even worry about it.

I don't "worry" about it, I think, I observe, I test, I correct if necessary... worry? No

I guess some of us are just more inquisitive than others

Mean to say, it just isn't worth ruining a good time.

Err, checking dice bias is usually done outside of the games themselves. You don't stop someone mid game and say "hang on a second, lets check those dice!".

My ability to check dice bias doesn't preclude me from having a good time, but thank you for your concern


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Baxx wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
You need to actually roll them and tally the results. Salt water tests will only tell you if they're biased, but not by how much. I'd say a couple of percent bias is probably fine and unlikely to affect a game, if it's say 10% out then I'd be looking at buying replacements.

Yes, you're right. The bias could be diminishing or actually make a difference.

I haven't bothered with rolling dice and counting cause I don't find that task vey interesting. I did try and make some photos of the new dice and see if I could get some image recognition algorithm/library make out the difference of the sides, but I didn't get very far at it. My plan was to build an automatic dice-tower with a web camera to record the results and have this program do the statistics for me. Unfortunately I know too little about image recognition.

I would never bother testing more than 1 or two dice manually, but if you're just checking a couple of dice it doesn't take all that long to roll them tally the results, probably take me less time than writing a program

I'm not really sure how you'd write a program either. It would be quite easy to do one for dice with pips, because you just need something that identifies pips. But identifying the patterns on a BB dice.... can't say I've ever tried to do something like that before. I guess if the die was a very different colour to the area you're rolling it on you could use colour to identify the die itself, then use a cross correlation to determine which pattern is on the upward facing side, but I don't know how you'd account for the die falling in different orientations (eg, how to identify if you're looking for an upside down skull or a right side up skull). I guess it wouldn't take much computing power so you could just rotate your pattern through 360 degrees and correlate at every, I dunno, say 5 degrees, pick the angle which has the highest correlation and then pick the pattern which gave the highest correlation at the highest angle.

EDIT: Or maybe identify the edges of the die based on colour, fit lines to those edges and then use that to rotate the image of the rolled die to be orthogonal. Once the image of the die is orthogonal you just need to perform correlations at 0, 90, 180 and 270 degrees.

A programmer I am not, but I could probably write a matlab script to do that.

Yes that is spot on. It would have to be in the lines of orientations, rotation and so forth.

I also speculated in making a dice thrower where the dice would end up in fixed positions so only the 0, 90, 180 and 270 degrees would be compared.

some info from the BB even at GW HQ over the weekend :

Update from the short q&a with Andy after full beard today. Lots of pics (no we didn't take any) and much information that was given previously at Warhammer fest.
The only new images to me were a painted version of the loverly Minotaur and painted versions of the chaos renegade and underworld tokens
Other stuff that is new to me...
New card pitches (goblin and elf next) will be double sided, the alternate side being weather effected with some fun and optional rules of play for them. The goblin pitch will be flooded. The elven pitch frozen over.
Plastic teams will come out regularly (quarterly) starting from late this year/Christmas. The first of these will be the elven union.
The elven union box contains at least 2 female miniatures (no pics yet) and will be more multipart than previous sets so more variation should be easier.
Forgeworld are producing an alternate troll. He will have 3 optional heads and will also be holding an ogre leg!!!!!
New cards are being produced for the teams with editable elements (so you can upgrade bits such as skills)
Other goblin positionals - pack called mechanical mayhem (edit: Killer Contraptions) - hopefully out before Xmas and the ooligan won't be what we expect?!

 reds8n wrote:
some info from the BB even at GW HQ over the weekend :

Update from the short q&a with Andy after full beard today. Lots of pics (no we didn't take any) and much information that was given previously at Warhammer fest.
The only new images to me were a painted version of the loverly Minotaur and painted versions of the chaos renegade and underworld tokens
Other stuff that is new to me...
New card pitches (goblin and elf next) will be double sided, the alternate side being weather effected with some fun and optional rules of play for them. The goblin pitch will be flooded. The elven pitch frozen over.
Plastic teams will come out regularly (quarterly) starting from late this year/Christmas. The first of these will be the elven union.
The elven union box contains at least 2 female miniatures (no pics yet) and will be more multipart than previous sets so more variation should be easier.
Forgeworld are producing an alternate troll. He will have 3 optional heads and will also be holding an ogre leg!!!!!
New cards are being produced for the teams with editable elements (so you can upgrade bits such as skills)
Other goblin positionals - pack called mechanical mayhem (edit: Killer Contraptions) - hopefully out before Xmas and the ooligan won't be what we expect?!

All of this is fantastic.I was already really looking forward to the Elven Union team, but the increased modularity is excellent news.

It sounds like the strategy for Blood Bowl is starting to come together more solidly after being taken by surprise by the popularity of the re-release this year.

I imagine there will be complaints (yawn) about the perceived paucity of proposed releases of plastic teams if we're looking at four a year but for a non-40k/AoS product, I'd say that's about the best you could hope for from almost any other company, and that wouldn't be taking into account the resin star players, boosters and big guys that appear to be planned, so I'm perfectly happy with that number.

I know there's a strong rumour that Nurgle are being moved to plastic, but is there any indication that Chaos Pact will also be plastic or resin?

I think the most exciting bit of news there - both for Blood Bowl and Specialist Games generally - is the committment to a solid, regular release schedule of plastic teams going forward. That means BB has been successful enough that GW have made room for it in their standard production schedule rather than just budgeting a short blurt of plastics and then passing it off to FW.

New bloodbowl minis from the open day. The troll looks fantastic.

Pansee League is looking good.

New Troll is tons better than the other one they just put out.

I'm impressed those blood bowl elves are not badly painted,

what are they thinking of, I've come to expect terrible paint designed to make the figures look horrible

WOOHOOO!

SPORTS!

I already have 2 trolls, but I will have to get that one as well since it's just so cool.

Maybe a good opportunity to start an Ogre team but with troll annd ogre models. You think this would fly in a semi-serious setting? I know some people are really sensitive when it comes to counts-as.

Anyone hearing anything on human and orc boosters dropping? Need them blitzers.

 Inanimate wrote:
I already have 2 trolls, but I will have to get that one as well since it's just so cool.

Maybe a good opportunity to start an Ogre team but with troll annd ogre models. You think this would fly in a semi-serious setting? I know some people are really sensitive when it comes to counts-as.

You have 2 Trolls? I have about 15. And about 12 Minotaurs, 20 Ogres, 10 Treemen and 12 Rat Ogres.

Yeah. I have a problem...

How you get time to paint all of that?

Been quite busy painting the new GW range, still I'm lagging 2 teams behind and 2 star players.

I'll definitely be grabbing the Troll. Didn't buy the plastic one because it looked too awkward for my liking.

Elves look good, but I'd be more interested in a Wood Elf or High Elf team.

And pretty please a Lizardman team that matches the aesthetic of the computer game!! I want a Lizard team but the plastic Saurus look way too weedy and plastic Temple Guard too static to be bothered trying to convert them.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/11/blood-bowl-preview-the-elven-union-sep11gw-homepage-post-2/

Not mad on the colour scheme, but they look fantastic.

I feel like if I buy them I'm going to end up keeping them unassembled until Forge World release the inevitable mohican conversion kit so I can make a modernised Albion Assassins team (from the back of the BB2 2nd Edition Star Players book, I used to have a painted version made from the awful yellow plastic elves in the Dungeon Bowl box).

Those do look amazing.

Forgive me for asking, but is the elf team a 'base team' to which FW will add upgrades to make wood elves and dark elves?

Not 100% on the throwers, but the rest is really good.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Not 100% on the throwers, but the rest is really good.

just give them Pom poms then and have an all male elf cheerleading staff.