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I just noticed that ForgeWorld has re-released the Vulture, this time it's a resin conversion kit which I assume uses a lot of plastic Valkryie parts. My question is this: why would you want to use a Vulture when the Vendetta seems to have better armament and can transport 12 models? Is it,in fact, able to mount more\better weaponry than the Vendetta? Is the points cost a lot cheaper? Anyone know anything about this?

The vendetta only has 3 weapon hardpoints, the vulture has 5. So it could theoretically take 5 lascannons, which, while overkill, is better.

Or better yet, 5 Punisher Cannons, which will make quick work of even the most broken Infantry Unit! (I'm aiming at you Plague Marines!)

Two Punisher cannons... 40 shots... I'll say that again 40 SHOTS FROM ONE SKIMMER!

One can mount punisher cannons on vultures?

Also, enders, you misread Skinnattittar's post. 5 Punisher cannons. 100 shots. Maybe slightly broken.

The Vulture does Not have 5 mounts. It has a nose mounted Heavy Bolter that can not be changed, and can take 2 other weapon pairs, and it is limited on what it can put where. It can only have 2 Lascannons (one on each inside wing mount) and is TL. So 1 TL shot, not 2. From the pictures shown, it will carry 1 punisher on each wing. I have yet to hear if it will be 2 punishers or 1 TL.

As for why a Vulture over a Vendetta? I personally prefer the versatility. The Vulture can have TL Autocannons, TL Missile Launchers, TL Lascannons, Bombs, Hunter-Killer missile racks, Rocket pods...... You can set it up to what ever you think you will be facing. It's also a Flyer, where the vendetta is a skimmer. So unless you have a house rule making the Vulture a skimmer, or the Vendetta a flyer, it's harder to kill the Vulture IMO. And FW does have rules for flyers in normal (ie NON Apoc) games. They make attack runs. Rules are in the IA books.

I field a Vulture as I run Elysains from IA3. They don't have access to the Vendetta. Valkyries are Dedicated Transports too. Their army list has not been updated for the new 5th toys.

I did kinda know that it didn't have 5 mounts. I meant that on each wing it has two bits to mount weapons, and it can have one nose mounted weapon. I've got one.

I just simplified what I was saying, i.e. one weapons space=one mount.

I know that they would never let you have 5 punisher cannons. I just wanted to boggle people's minds for a few moments before they saw sense.

12 hunter killer missiles? 4 missile pods? 12 bombs? 2x TL lascannons? 2x TL autocannons? a combination?

And, it's a flyer. So, as long as you don't go into hover mode (i.e. start moving like a skimmer) then you can move as far as you want (minimum 36") and only be hit on a 6 unless the weapon has an AA mount and make your opponent subtract 12 from the range.

Only being hit on 6's makes the vulture a lot tougher.

It can not move while hovering in VTOL mode. This is in the FAQ (either IA1 or IA3 FAQ). And the 36" min movement is Apoc rules, as I said, they do "Attack Runs" when used in normal games. And it's weapons are more restricted. TL Las, TL auto, TL missile, TL multi, and rocket pods on inner winghard point. Bombs, HK rack, Hellstrikes, rocket pods on outer wing hard point.

I run mine with the TL Lascannons inside, and magnetized HK racks or rocket pods for the outer.

Vultures can mount TWO (2) Punishers, not 4, as each punisher cannon consists of a gun (one HP) PLUS ammo drum (one HP) for a total of two hardpoints per gun and the nose mounted heavy bolter. It's a gunship, purely.

The Vendetta only has three hardpoints for weapons. They can't take a punisher at all. It's an upgunned skimmer transport.

They aren't twin-linked, either, as flyers can fire ALL weapons when moving - and yes, that makes 40 shots that will probably decimate most units.

Could someone please scan me the valkyrie page from IA? I just want to know the pricings for the vulture and the punisher cannon upgrade, preferably in a form I could prove to my friends. Unless rulebook scans are illegal, in which case can someone just post the pricings please.

If it's not super expensive, I'm going to have 3 gatling guns in my army, one at bs4. All horde armies shall bow down before my might of being able to kill 34 t3 units a turn, or 27 t4 units a turn, using two units.

As far as I know the rules for punisher-armed vultures aren't out yet. The model is, but nothing else.

lalabox wrote:Could someone please scan me the valkyrie page from IA? I just want to know the pricings for the vulture and the punisher cannon upgrade, preferably in a form I could prove to my friends. Unless rulebook scans are illegal, in which case can someone just post the pricings please.

Ditto

^
IE: Quoting points costs is also verboten.

The rules for the punisher will be out (in demo form) shortly I should guess (following FW pattern) and be readily available from the downloads page on the FW site.

chromedog wrote:^
IE: Quoting points costs is also verboten.

Wait, doesn't that make a vast, Vast, VAST number of threads on the forums illegal. The IG codex review is one example. Is that rule enforced at all?

Demo forms are quite good. I should have saved the building complex ones when I had the chance, as they were some quite cool rules.

lalabox wrote:Could someone please scan me the valkyrie page from IA?

I just want to know the pricings for the vulture and the punisher cannon upgrade, preferably in a form I could prove to my friends.

Unless rulebook scans are illegal, in which case can someone just post the pricings please..

How come you didn't check TPB first? I'm pretty sure IA is on there...

If you want the points, then why not Army Builder?

Of *course* the rulebook scans are "illegal"...

I believe that telling total cost is allowed. ie...

SM 10 man Tactical squad
Sgt Plasma pistol
Sgt Powerfist
Melta gun
Multi-melta
Rhino

Total points = X points

But giving the points cost for each item is not allowed. But I could be mistaken.

Heya, did you know that Plasma Pistols are +15 pts now?

But Meltaguns are only +10 pts?

Oh, noes!

lalabox wrote:

chromedog wrote:^
IE: Quoting points costs is also verboten.

Wait, doesn't that make a vast, Vast, VAST number of threads on the forums illegal. The IG codex review is one example. Is that rule enforced at all?

Demo forms are quite good. I should have saved the building complex ones when I had the chance, as they were some quite cool rules.

Including Army Lists; they have points cost...ZOMG!

lalabox wrote:One can mount punisher cannons on vultures?

Also, enders, you misread Skinnattittar's post. 5 Punisher cannons. 100 shots. Maybe slightly broken.

look again the punishers take up two hard points each and it has to have a heavy bolters on one hard point

And it's only 1 Punisher Cannon which is twin-linked. But anyway, Vultures are way better.

Sure, Vendettas can carry 12 guys, but the Vulture is designed as a fire-support aircraft, not a transporter. It always has a default Heavy Bolter, and has 4 extra hardpoints, on which you can have either 6 Bombs, 6 HK Missiles, 2 Lascannons, 2 Autocannons, 2 Multi-Lasers, 4 MRL's, or 1 TL Punisher Cannon.

Punishers vs. Plague Marines:

40 Shots, 20 hits, 10 wounds, 3 failed armor, 1.5 after FNP... I loled.

100 Shots, 50 hits, 25 wounds, 8 after armor, 4 after FNP... I still loled.