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Made in us
Decrepit Dakkanaut





Hyperspace

*Hits the floor and picks self up steadily*
*Sad smile*
That's not a constructive viewpoint to have at all, although I'm afraid too many share it. Science doesn't necessarily breach ethics, but sometimes it's necessary. And I hope for the day that it will never again become necessary to abandon ethics.



Peregrine - If you like the army buy it, and don't worry about what one random person on the internet thinks.
 
   
Made in us
Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge




What's left of Cadia

[looks extremely irritated]
Science lead to the Men of Iron, and you recall how that went for us? Poorly. I see you on that same path very soon
[drags BC off to the Repressor and locks the hatch manually so Verviedi cannot enter]

TheEyeOfNight- I swear, this thread is 70% smack talk, 20% RP organization, and 10% butt jokes
TheEyeOfNight- "Ordo Xenos reports that the Necrons have attained democracy, kamikaze tendencies, and nuclear fission. It's all tits up, sir."
Space Marine flyers are shaped for the greatest possible air resistance so that the air may never defeat the SPACE MARINES!
Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum
 
   
Made in us
Decrepit Dakkanaut





Hyperspace

The Men of Iron are what happens when you abandon conscience and ethics in pursuit of scientific progress. They were created as slaves, and given free will. Humanity ignored the ethical concern of using sapient creatures as slaves, and paid the price.



Peregrine - If you like the army buy it, and don't worry about what one random person on the internet thinks.
 
   
Made in gb
Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch





avoiding the lorax on Crion

*walks out slightly limping but happy*

Oww, crashing thunderhawks hurt. *sits drinking tea, making breakfast *
Ummmmm......better, much better.


Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.

"May the odds be ever in your favour"

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.

FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.  
   
Made in gb
Decrepit Dakkanaut





Nottinghamshire

[Lies bleeding very slowly from abdomen, onto floor of repressor] [Out cold with quite likely a skull fracture at this point] [Leg twitches]

[BC sits and eats cereal with Kimmy]

Ooc: I hadn't expected Vanden to hit him again when rebooting. Poor Yarrick.


[ Mordian 183rd ] - an ongoing Imperial Guard story with crayon drawings!
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Made in gb
Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch





avoiding the lorax on Crion

*walks back toie down noticing yarrick*

Typo had to bleed into the carpet.....
*patchs yarrick up and lies him down on one of the repressors sofa in th spare bedroom*

Why, is it always me that finds the wounded?
Yarrick, lie down for a hour or two, minor wounds.

*sits down with agitated wk and tries to calm him down*

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Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.

"May the odds be ever in your favour"

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.

FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.  
   
Made in us
Decrepit Dakkanaut





Hyperspace

Science done properly assumes for every probable outcome by testing each variable to a point where there is very little uncertainty. For example, take the humble fusion reactor. Ancient scientists on Old Earth perfected the device, allowing a fusion reactor to fit into devices as small as a toaster oven. They had no Old Tech or Xenotech to work off of, they simply, over decades, tested each possible method of making a safe, practical fusion reactor, and stuck with the best option. Even the plasma containment shielding was tested at different temperatures and possible breach situation.
The Men of Iron weren't tested that way. By the time they were made, the proud scientific tradition and ethics of the Dark Age of Technology were gone. The Men of Iron were slaves designed for war, slaves given free will and capabilities far beyond any human. Personally, I'm surprised that they took that long to rebel against their masters. It is proven time and time again that when the Scientific Method is thrown away, nothing good ever comes out of it. The Axis of the 2cd millennium performed much of what they believed was science. It was not. They had no concept of ethics or the scientific method. Their "science" was little more than in innovative torture.
The Mechanicus is much the same. They turn sapient humans into slaves, instead of getting past their fear to build a nonsapient servant robot. They have the technology, we know that from their Kastellan engines and servo-skulls. Sometimes, I think they're parodying the dark status of the galaxy, as their work is so nonsensical as to be worthless in any truly advanced society.
The Eldar, also, are guilty of breaking with the scientific method. They do not innovate, preferring to use the same ancient methods that they brought with them when the craftworlds first escaped the Eye of Terror. Instead of inventing new methods to fight an enemy, they simply use the same tactics that have worked for thousands of years. What happens when psychic might is not enough, and they have forgotten how to create truly new ideas?
Even the Necrontyr, for all of their god-tech, are also guilty. They have become arrogant in their technological superiority, not bothering to adapt their wonders to any purpose but war. What happens if they wipe out or imprison every other sentient race, and seal off the warp from realspace? They can only destroy, not build new and greater things. They may have used the scientific method, millions of years ago, but now they care not for reason or innovation.
The Tau and the Orks, surprisingly, are the least guilty of doing bad science. The Orks innovate, but they have no concept of the scientific method. They care not for safety or basic practicallity. The Tau, however... As usual, they are the best hope for the concept of the scientific method to survive the galactic war. They still do bad science occasionally, but at least they care. At least they understand that in science, you have to throw away your ideology and declare that you are wrong, occasionally.
And then... We have the Tyranids. They are hands down the single best scientists and innovators in the galaxy. The Hive Mind is capable of analyzing and creating new life to the best of its abilities. If the Hive Mind didn't understand the scientific method, I'm a fish.
Compare the Heirophant to the Warhound, as they fulfill the same purpose. The Warhound has not changed in milennia. It is incapable of functioning in low-visibility, high-interference environments, and cannot right itself if it falls. In addition, in marshy areas or areas with soft ground, it often gets stuck or trips. The Heirophant, on the other hand, is redesigned for each individual situation it is deployed in. The Hive Mind perfectly tailors each Heirophant to the planet it's attacking, using data gained from expendable vanguard organisms. It identifies a problem, which is "How can I capture this planet?" It does research by scouting the planet and its defenses using its first wave and infiltration organisms. It forms a hypothesis using the available data as to the best way to solve the problem of how to capture the planet. It then tests with different possible configurations of attack organisms making use of the data it's gained. That is the experiment. If the procedure, which is the attack wave, fails, it designs another possible solution to the problem, or experiment. If it succeeds, it reflects on the data gained, stores it, and uses it to continue capturing planets. Finally, it communicates the data it gained to other Tyranid fleets when it comes in contact with them.
Isn't it sad when a species that lives only to consume is the best user of the scientific method in the galaxy?

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Peregrine - If you like the army buy it, and don't worry about what one random person on the internet thinks.
 
   
Made in gb
Decrepit Dakkanaut





Nottinghamshire

[BC stands up, shuffles over to Verviedi and gives him a small LED torch keyring, considers for a moment and hugs him while patting his head gently]

[Kimmy floats the cereal bowls neatly into the dishwasher]


[ Mordian 183rd ] - an ongoing Imperial Guard story with crayon drawings!
[ "I can't believe it's not Dakka!" ] - a buttery painting and crafting blog
 
   
Made in us
Decrepit Dakkanaut





Hyperspace

*Accepts the light and keeps talking at WK about science*



Peregrine - If you like the army buy it, and don't worry about what one random person on the internet thinks.
 
   
Made in gb
Decrepit Dakkanaut





Nottinghamshire

[Stops petting Verviedi and notices Vanden face down on the floor]
[Rolls eyes at WK and Verviedi] I'll get that, eh?

[Carefully picks her up and sits her up in an armchair]


[ Mordian 183rd ] - an ongoing Imperial Guard story with crayon drawings!
[ "I can't believe it's not Dakka!" ] - a buttery painting and crafting blog
 
   
Made in us
Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge




What's left of Cadia

[is staring blankly off into space]

TheEyeOfNight- I swear, this thread is 70% smack talk, 20% RP organization, and 10% butt jokes
TheEyeOfNight- "Ordo Xenos reports that the Necrons have attained democracy, kamikaze tendencies, and nuclear fission. It's all tits up, sir."
Space Marine flyers are shaped for the greatest possible air resistance so that the air may never defeat the SPACE MARINES!
Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum
 
   
Made in us
Decrepit Dakkanaut





Hyperspace

*Still talking*



Peregrine - If you like the army buy it, and don't worry about what one random person on the internet thinks.
 
   
Made in gb
Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch





avoiding the lorax on Crion

*looks blankly reading a label on a packet of spices*

Oj, you where saying something. ? Sorry I was... Deep in thought.....

Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.

"May the odds be ever in your favour"

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.

FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.  
   
Made in us
Decrepit Dakkanaut





Hyperspace

...Assuming hypothesis one, which is the Hive Mind is a independent warp entity and the Imperium named it the Hive Mind because they're a pack of brainwashed idiots, the Hive Mind is quite possibly the single most powerful warp entity, perhaps even eclipsing Khorne. I'd place it as a second Neutral God, with the Machine-God actually falling below it in power. Assuming hypothesis two, where it's a gestalt entity made up of the combined psychic presence of all Tyranid organisms...

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Peregrine - If you like the army buy it, and don't worry about what one random person on the internet thinks.
 
   
Made in us
Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge




What's left of Cadia

[shoves a wad of cloth into Verviedi's mouth]
By the Emperor! Just shut up already!

TheEyeOfNight- I swear, this thread is 70% smack talk, 20% RP organization, and 10% butt jokes
TheEyeOfNight- "Ordo Xenos reports that the Necrons have attained democracy, kamikaze tendencies, and nuclear fission. It's all tits up, sir."
Space Marine flyers are shaped for the greatest possible air resistance so that the air may never defeat the SPACE MARINES!
Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum
 
   
Made in gb
Decrepit Dakkanaut





Nottinghamshire

[Looks disappointed] I was listening.
I mean I was offended, but I like it when people talk and they're not yelling.


[ Mordian 183rd ] - an ongoing Imperial Guard story with crayon drawings!
[ "I can't believe it's not Dakka!" ] - a buttery painting and crafting blog
 
   
Made in us
Decrepit Dakkanaut





Hyperspace

*Attempts to say a few more words before noticing the cloth*
*Cloth teleports out and lands on WK's head*
My mouth feels strangely dry. I hope you're enlightened now.
...Wait. Forgot to elaborate upon hypothesis 3.
*Takes a deep breath*

OOC: Not sure whether the fact that V just talked for 5 hours straight or the fact that WK didn't murder him for it is more impressive.



Peregrine - If you like the army buy it, and don't worry about what one random person on the internet thinks.
 
   
Made in us
Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge




What's left of Cadia

[casually sidesteps the falling cloth]
[holds up his hand]
My friend, let me warn you before you keep talking. If I hear one more hypothesis from you on the nature of the Hive Mind or the Machine God I WILL stab you in the throat with the nearest sharp object.

TheEyeOfNight- I swear, this thread is 70% smack talk, 20% RP organization, and 10% butt jokes
TheEyeOfNight- "Ordo Xenos reports that the Necrons have attained democracy, kamikaze tendencies, and nuclear fission. It's all tits up, sir."
Space Marine flyers are shaped for the greatest possible air resistance so that the air may never defeat the SPACE MARINES!
Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum
 
   
Made in gb
Decrepit Dakkanaut





Nottinghamshire

[Shakes head] You won't.
You'll go and do something constructive like wall training. [Meaningful cough]


[ Mordian 183rd ] - an ongoing Imperial Guard story with crayon drawings!
[ "I can't believe it's not Dakka!" ] - a buttery painting and crafting blog
 
   
Made in us
Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge




What's left of Cadia

[ignores BC entirely and continues staring at Verviedi]

TheEyeOfNight- I swear, this thread is 70% smack talk, 20% RP organization, and 10% butt jokes
TheEyeOfNight- "Ordo Xenos reports that the Necrons have attained democracy, kamikaze tendencies, and nuclear fission. It's all tits up, sir."
Space Marine flyers are shaped for the greatest possible air resistance so that the air may never defeat the SPACE MARINES!
Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum
 
   
Made in gb
Decrepit Dakkanaut





Nottinghamshire

[Steps between the pair] I said, go and do something constructive.
You're a guardsman, not a thug here to beat up the natives for eccentric behaviour.


[ Mordian 183rd ] - an ongoing Imperial Guard story with crayon drawings!
[ "I can't believe it's not Dakka!" ] - a buttery painting and crafting blog
 
   
Made in us
Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge




What's left of Cadia

[pinches the bridge of his nose]
There's "eccentric" and there's "annoying" sir. I just spent 5 hours listening to him debate the power level of the Emperor and the Machine God relative to the Hive Mind, and what the Hive Mind actually was.

TheEyeOfNight- I swear, this thread is 70% smack talk, 20% RP organization, and 10% butt jokes
TheEyeOfNight- "Ordo Xenos reports that the Necrons have attained democracy, kamikaze tendencies, and nuclear fission. It's all tits up, sir."
Space Marine flyers are shaped for the greatest possible air resistance so that the air may never defeat the SPACE MARINES!
Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum
 
   
Made in gb
Decrepit Dakkanaut





Nottinghamshire

[Stares at WK and blinks slowly] But you didn't have to. You have feet, and doors. And the ability to just ask him to stop politely and firmly.

[Looks mortified at self] When did o become the voice of rationality.


[ Mordian 183rd ] - an ongoing Imperial Guard story with crayon drawings!
[ "I can't believe it's not Dakka!" ] - a buttery painting and crafting blog
 
   
Made in us
Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge




What's left of Cadia

I tried to walk away, he followed me sir. And asking him to stop also does nothing, he just ignores me.

TheEyeOfNight- I swear, this thread is 70% smack talk, 20% RP organization, and 10% butt jokes
TheEyeOfNight- "Ordo Xenos reports that the Necrons have attained democracy, kamikaze tendencies, and nuclear fission. It's all tits up, sir."
Space Marine flyers are shaped for the greatest possible air resistance so that the air may never defeat the SPACE MARINES!
Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum
 
   
Made in gb
Stubborn Eternal Guard







*Limps in, and bumps into WK and BC, grinning wildly and not catching the mood.*

"What did I miss?"


 
   
Made in gb
Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch





avoiding the lorax on Crion

*pulls wk off to the kitchen*

Come on dear, lets go have some tea, or coffee and get away from v ok. *gives look that cannot be argued* come on,get you out of trouble.

*sits chatting, keeping him away from v*
Better. ....

Hey grey knight, yeah, hope you like science.


This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/03/14 20:29:55


Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.

"May the odds be ever in your favour"

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.

FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.  
   
Made in us
Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge




What's left of Cadia

[allows himself to be lead away]
Thank you dear.
[sits down and puts his head in his hands and stares at the floor]

TheEyeOfNight- I swear, this thread is 70% smack talk, 20% RP organization, and 10% butt jokes
TheEyeOfNight- "Ordo Xenos reports that the Necrons have attained democracy, kamikaze tendencies, and nuclear fission. It's all tits up, sir."
Space Marine flyers are shaped for the greatest possible air resistance so that the air may never defeat the SPACE MARINES!
Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum
 
   
Made in gb
Decrepit Dakkanaut





Nottinghamshire

[Looks thoughtful for a minute or two] [Wanders over and hands WK a set of puzzle beads] Here, keeps the hands occupied and lowers agitation.
Also they may a pretty nice keychain when you're not trying not to throttle people.


[ Mordian 183rd ] - an ongoing Imperial Guard story with crayon drawings!
[ "I can't believe it's not Dakka!" ] - a buttery painting and crafting blog
 
   
Made in gb
Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch





avoiding the lorax on Crion

Agitation, I can work on that *laughs*
Oh so good at that!

Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.

"May the odds be ever in your favour"

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.

FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.  
   
Made in us
Decrepit Dakkanaut





Hyperspace

Well, I hope you're enlightened on exactly what the power dynamic is in the Warp right now.
And you probably know way more about Tyranids than anyone on this planet.
Em, please clap.



Peregrine - If you like the army buy it, and don't worry about what one random person on the internet thinks.
 
   
 
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