Teleportation

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**wingedskull**

Hey Folks -

OK - so I know Terminators can teleport, but what about the Guard? Specifically, could artillery be teleported into a cavern if you had an advance team down there w/ a homing device?

thanks!
Paul

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**Manchu**

Teleportation is an extremely arcane technology and probably beyond the ability of the Guard to deploy at such a prominent level. Others may be able to give you better techno-fluff explanations.

**Mars.Techpriest**

1) Teleporters avaliable to the Imperium are small, to small to drive a vehicle in. (Terminators only barly fit) It's also increadibly tough on the target being transported, particularly on the distances from orbit to ground. IIRC it was said that only Terminator armor could reliably make the trip and have the target arive uninjured and sane.

On the other hand, Imperial Tunnlers pop up in fluff fairly often. They'd probibly lead the artillery convoy with a tunnler and drill their way into the cavern.

**Jon Garrett**

The Guard are more likely to do low orbit parachute drops and such, and simply don't get access to such potent technology. They even drop in Sentinels, but tanks are likely too large. They most likely have to come off a transport and drive where ever they need to be,

**Regwon**

Eldar warp spidres can teleport a bit. Necrons can teleport about quite happily. Even monolits and their ships can teleport. But whereas eldar and imperial teleporters use the ward to move people, necrons use means unknown, possible through some sort of other crazy dimension that we haven't been told about.

**GrrBear**

Actually I think that the imperium uses the necron method of teleporting. Either way it is technology that is too expensive to issue to the likes of imperial guard, heck space marines usually send only their best through (terminators/Grey knights).

**wingedskull**

Thanks folks!

**Jon Garrett**

GrrBear wrote:Actually I think that the imperium uses the necron method of teleporting. Either way it is technology that is too expensive to issue to the likes of imperial guard, heck space marines usually send only their best through (terminators/Grey knights).

The Imperial forces travel through the Warp. There's a lovely story in the Daemonhunters codex when Brother-Captain Stern being warped in to kill a corrupted plantary governor who had been dealing with daemons and describes the trip down.

No one's sure how the Necrons get around, but it isn't through the warp itself. Can't be. They can't stand it.

**Grignard**

Regwon wrote:Eldar warp spidres can teleport a bit. Necrons can teleport about quite happily. Even monolits and their ships can teleport. But whereas eldar and imperial teleporters use the ward to move people, necrons use means unknown, possible through some sort of other crazy dimension that we haven't been told about.

Also keep in mind that the Eldar use the webway when possible. Warp spiders can teleport through the warp pretty much at will, but at risk of losing not only their life, but quite possibly their soul.

I don't think many guardsmen could travel "naked" through the warp and remain mentally or spiritually intact after the teleport. Space marines, particularly 1st company, have the sort of mental conditioning and spiritual strength that regular men just do not have.

**Durandal**

Necrons have access to a host of dimensions, not just the warp, so they can use others to shift in and out of reality.

As slaneesh actively hunts eldar in the warp, warp spiders are under constant threat while transitioning the warp. The chance one of them gets caught by deamons while jumping is high.

**orkylooter**

ork believe it or not have good teleporters

**Orkeosaurus**

The snotlings certainly aren't happy about that.

**tigonesskay**

What are the dangers of teleporting in the 40k universe?

**Mars.Techpriest**

Death is the mildest one, from there it goes to madness, possesion, time-shifting, etc...

**Dreadwinter**

Orkeosaurus wrote:The snotlings certainly aren't happy about that.

Neither are the things they end up inside of.

**tigonesskay**

I heard that there is a possiblity of being turned inside out during teleporting (I remember my 7th grade science teacher saying this..).

**Orkeosaurus**

You might be thinking of Galaxy Quest.

**TheAlmightyPillock**

The magor thing is that machine itself needed to safly telaport a human being is Huge, as in realy huge. It takes up a stupid amount of space but despite this it can only telaport small numbers of people. This means that it can only be housed in large imperial ships and maby on some space marine fortress monistaty. Only small number of people can be telaported at a time becosue of the huge power requirments for moving people from one place to another.

This is one resona why imperial gard dont have the tec, its jsut to complicated and valuable to be given to them. Secodly they simply would not survive the trip, only a spacemariens highly developed body can survive the trip and not without a seut of power armore to protect him, even then there can be maby accidents.

The masters of telapoter tecknology are Necrons and the Orcs. Necrons arnt realy alive so its no problem for them, and Orcs..well thier orcs. They can telapot unite after unite down to a planits serfice with no problems at all (untill a grot gets stuk in the gears and it blows up). Orcs bodys are so tuff they can survive trasport with no problems, in adition thier highly unstable technology alowes them to telapot whole vehicals as well.

**Lukus83**

I would seriously doubt the orks are masters of any technology.

**Demogerg**

Lukus83 wrote:I would seriously doubt the orks are masters of any technology.

They are of Teleportation.

oddly enough.

**Orkeosaurus**

Orks are one of the most technologically advanced races out there. Right behind necrons, possibly exceeding them in some respects.

The thing is their technological capability is based off of inborn encoding, which is then expressed through dangerously unbalanced meks. This tends to put their functional technological level way below what they're capable of. There are times when ork technology is quite amazing, however (Shokk Attack Guns being a good examples. The portability and availability of their Kustom Force Fields being another good one).

**Hordini**

All Imperial Navy capital ships are equipped with teleportation equipment, so in some cases it would be possible to teleport guardsmen or Imperial Navy Marines (not Space Marines, but basically guardsmen who stay on ships), although this isn't often done. The teleporters on Imperial capital ships are often used to board enemy ships. I'm not sure if they would be used for a planetary assault, but they're likely not robust enough for anything large scale. They probably wouldn't send anything but a few squads, and I doubt they could transport anything as large as an artillery piece.

I'm not sure what kind of equipment or protection the people being transported would need, but I think it's safe to say that Terminator armor isn't a requirement, since most Imperial ships don't carry Space Marines, much less Terminators.

I'm wondering though, why the heck would anyone want to transport an artillery piece into an enclosed cavern? So they can blow themselves up?

**Dreadwinter**

Lukus83 wrote:I would seriously doubt the orks are masters of any technology.

What?

Find me something mechanical an Ork cant loot and rebuild then come back.

**Great Unclean One**

I would say no because the teleporters on terminators are very small and compact and are only big enough to transport single terminators. Also you wouldn't be able to teleport straight into a cavern, you'd need a teleporter beacon which sort of defeats the objective of a sneak attack because the IG wouldn't risk one of their big tanks as without a beacon the chances of going off in a different direction or scattering are very high.

**Lukus83**

Well I meant no offense by saying that orks are not masters of technology (and by master I assumed that meant understanding the tech as well as being able to use it). Yes orks have some very cool stuff, but do they understand how it works? No, it comes from natural instinct which is not quite the same thing.

In my mind the great masters of tech are necrons and tau.

**dirkthe1**

i believe master of technology is the wrong word, as they found tellyporta's by accident but they can move huge stuff through them-read the fluff on armageddon and the use of ork roks

**Emperors Faithful**

Orks are more like scavengers, ripping off whatever tech they find.

Tau (and Necros too) invented thier on junk.

**Orkeosaurus**

Emperors Faithful wrote:Orks are more like scavengers, ripping off whatever tech they find.

Tau (and Necros too) invented thier on junk.

Um. No? Orks build their own things, they just supplement it with stuff they take from other races should it be convenient to do so. Their technological capabilities come from the Brainboys and from the obsessive and dangerously inquisitive nature of the meks.

The Tau Empire actually has the worst technology in the game from a standpoint of maximum advancement (ignoring Tyranids and minor races). Their technological capability just looks good because they apply their most advanced technology in a far more widespread fashion than anyone else (except perhaps the Necrons).

**Emperors Faithful**

Orks have RIPPED OFF tech. Brainboys have figured out how to manipulate higher tech. Not make it on thier own.

What do you mean Tau have the worst tech?
What makes thier tech bad?

Mabye there rail guns are all eco friendly and use up minimal energy. For orks, more is more, and less can go bugger off. They are extravagant, singleminded and put RAW POWER before something like energy efficiency or how long it can last.

**Orkeosaurus**

Emperors Faithful wrote:Orks have RIPPED OFF tech. Brainboys have figured out how to manipulate higher tech. Not make it on thier own.

The Brainboys certainly were capable of making their own technology. They created the orks with it.

Meks have an inborn knowledge of mechanical principles, and they're naturally inclined to learn how to put those principles into play very quickly. They're certainly capable of making their own technology as well, unless you discount it on the principle that they didn't discover the basic technological principles themselves, in which case anyone who's read a book on their subject would have "ripped off" their invention.

What do you mean Tau have the worst tech?
What makes thier tech bad?

The best technology they have available to them is simply less advanced than what other races have. They have nothing that compares to a Shokk Attack Gun or a Warlord Titan or Wraithbone Armor in terms of technological advancement. What they do have is a very good distribution of their technology, which ensures that what advancements they do have are present on the battlefield in large quantities (unlike the rare things other races tend to keep locked up).

Mabye there rail guns are all eco friendly and use up minimal energy. For orks, more is more, and less can go bugger off. They are extravagant, singleminded and put RAW POWER before something like energy efficiency or how long it can last.

The tau aren't actually the Japanese.

Energy efficiency doesn't matter if you produce enough energy anyways. Durability is often less important than ease of building and repairing.

Besides, I'm not saying that ork technology is more efficient than tau technology, I'm saying it operates under more advanced principles.