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Hopefully there will be some decent colour schemes instead of just plain silver

The Royal Court can be taken for Each Necron Overlord selected, including Nemesor Zahndrekh, Imotekh the Stormlord & Anrakyr the Traveller.

And the Royal Court is made up exactly of what I specified on the page 1 recap (0-5 Lords & 0-5 Crypteks).

There are no special characters (even those that are Crypteks in the fluff) that are part of a Royal Court.

So it's 0-5 AND 0-5 for the royal court? That's pretty neat; one Overlord can pretty much deck out your entire army and you can take a Cryptek SC for your second HQ.

Anyway, Yakface; the Flayed Ones, did Terrifying Visage, or any rendition of it survive the codex transition, or does it look like they were toned down to basic fighters?

Blink wrote:And where do you see a problem with their financies?

Their sales are down in UK, USA, and Australia (a staggering 11.8%, which is why they probably locked out third party retailers). Their profits and revenues are down despite slashing their operating costs to the bone. But still, overall they aren't doing too bad. "Moderately successful" is probably an apt description. Level of community involvement and consumer good will, however? The former is in shambles, and while there is no definitive marker I can point to for the latter one, it's probably not too far behind. My hope is that the success currently being enjoyed by a few upstart competitors will eventually wake them up.

yakface wrote:
And the Royal Court is made up exactly of what I specified on the page 1 recap (0-5 Lords & 0-5 Crypteks).

so basically your court could take up close to 1000 pts?! thats one mean deathstar unit

Thanks for the info Yak. Is Illuminor Szeras the only way of giving Augmentations to squads or can normal Crypteks do this?

Omegus wrote:

Blink wrote:And where do you see a problem with their financies?

Their sales are down in UK, USA, and Australia (a staggering 11.8%, which is why they probably locked out third party retailers). Their profits and revenues are down despite slashing their operating costs to the bone. But still, overall they aren't doing too bad. "Moderately successful" is probably an apt description. Level of community involvement and consumer good will, however? The former is in shambles, and while there is no definitive marker I can point to for the latter one, it's probably not too far behind. My hope is that the success currently being enjoyed by a few upstart competitors will eventually wake them up.

Yeah just remember that a 2.7% overall sales decline is FAR from bad. They were able to make up money in other investments which will pay off in the long run. It'd be wise to get stocks in the company around now if it were possible. Also The 11.8% isn't too staggering since Australia ranks far below the US, UK and the rest of Europe in terms of number of sales anyway, so the percentage points fluctuate far easier and mean less.

For the sake of models and focus on customer satisfaction, I HOPE one of their competitors can scrap their way on top... It's a long shot and HIGHLY doubtful, but it would do wonders for the market.

Blink wrote:

Omegus wrote:

Blink wrote:And where do you see a problem with their financies?

Their sales are down in UK, USA, and Australia (a staggering 11.8%, which is why they probably locked out third party retailers). Their profits and revenues are down despite slashing their operating costs to the bone. But still, overall they aren't doing too bad. "Moderately successful" is probably an apt description. Level of community involvement and consumer good will, however? The former is in shambles, and while there is no definitive marker I can point to for the latter one, it's probably not too far behind. My hope is that the success currently being enjoyed by a few upstart competitors will eventually wake them up.

Yeah just remember that a 2.7% overall sales decline is FAR from bad. They were able to make up money in other investments which will pay off in the long run. It'd be wise to get stocks in the company around now if it were possible. Also The 11.8% isn't too staggering since Australia ranks far below the US, UK and the rest of Europe in terms of number of sales anyway, so the percentage points fluctuate far easier and mean less.

For the sake of models and focus on customer satisfaction, I HOPE one of their competitors can scrap their way on top... It's a long shot and HIGHLY doubtful, but it would do wonders for the market.

There are plenty of Threads about this. Please either go make another one, or take it to PMs, instead of polluting our Necron Rumor thread.


Anyway, Flashman I'm sure that he Augment is only Szeras ability. I think we've seen everything Crypteks can do in the OP.

Adam - so DE arent competitive? Wrong. Eldar and Tau Empire werent hideously competitive in 4th ed, when they were released? Wrong.

Trying to claim that Xenos codexes are never able to beat SM belies reality. You cant even claim "in 5th ed", due to DE, which absolutely walk all over the most competitive vanilla marine builds, generally destroy BA and have a damn good chance against GK (more rock paper scissors there, depending on the GK build)

Essentially the only bad xenos codex in a looong time is Nids

nosferatu1001 wrote:Essentially the only bad xenos codex in a looong time is Nids

Seriously, the 'Nids codex isn't all that bad... At least in my mind, it's miles better than the Astartes Marine book...

Warboss Gutrip wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Essentially the only bad xenos codex in a looong time is Nids

Seriously, the 'Nids codex isn't all that bad... At least in my mind, it's miles better than the Astartes Marine book...

Its a fun book, its just seen as lackluster competitively in an open environment since it cannot reasonably beat GK, thus in a tournament they are a poor choice.

'Nids lose to IG, GK, and DE every time. There are some skilled 'nid players that have used Genestealer shock to some success vs those types of armies, but as a general rule those three plus every flavor of marines has the gear to wipe their nose with our monstrous creatures and eat our gribblies for breakfast.

tetrisphreak wrote:'Nids lose to IG, GK, and DE every time. There are some skilled 'nid players that have used Genestealer shock to some success vs those types of armies, but as a general rule those three plus every flavor of marines has the gear to wipe their nose with our monstrous creatures and eat our gribblies for breakfast.

I don't like this absolute; "every time". It implies that, without fail, Tyranids will lose to IG, GK and DE. In reality, this is simply not true. Tyranids may lose the majority of games to the aforementioned armies, heck, they may lose pretty much all the time to these armies in an optimal competitive setting. However, to say they will lose "every time" is simply not true; it may be as rare as anything, but Tyranids can win. Also, don't overgeneralize; the Astartes dex is a piece of garbage, a very easy matchup for any competent gribbly player. I agree that there are some ridiculous matchups (venomspam w/ razorwing, 4x JotWW) but the Nid dex isn't all that horrible.

lazarian wrote:

Warboss Gutrip wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Essentially the only bad xenos codex in a looong time is Nids

Seriously, the 'Nids codex isn't all that bad... At least in my mind, it's miles better than the Astartes Marine book...

Its a fun book, its just seen as lackluster competitively in an open environment since it cannot reasonably beat GK, thus in a tournament they are a poor choice.

Having played Magic for years I remember reading from the developers that they are always surprised what the players make of a new set. They do thousands of hours of in-house testing to catch as many broken things as possible, but they still have to errata the set. I'm new to 40k, but it seems that GW is in the same boat. They can't tell where a codex will sit (in terms of competitive power) until we do.

Warboss Gutrip wrote:

tetrisphreak wrote:'Nids lose to IG, GK, and DE every time. There are some skilled 'nid players that have used Genestealer shock to some success vs those types of armies, but as a general rule those three plus every flavor of marines has the gear to wipe their nose with our monstrous creatures and eat our gribblies for breakfast.

I don't like this absolute; "every time". It implies that, without fail, Tyranids will lose to IG, GK and DE. In reality, this is simply not true. Tyranids may lose the majority of games to the aforementioned armies, heck, they may lose pretty much all the time to these armies in an optimal competitive setting. However, to say they will lose "every time" is simply not true; it may be as rare as anything, but Tyranids can win. Also, don't overgeneralize; the Astartes dex is a piece of garbage, a very easy matchup for any competent gribbly player. I agree that there are some ridiculous matchups (venomspam w/ razorwing, 4x JotWW) but the Nid dex isn't all that horrible.

What Sasori said about polluting the Necron Rumor thread.

Yeah, someone post another rumour to get this thread back on track.

Any news on the Triarch Stalker?

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Yeah, someone post another rumour to get this thread back on track.

I heard Necrons are going to be the next codex.

But don't quote me on that.

Omegus wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Yeah, someone post another rumour to get this thread back on track.

I heard Necrons are going to be the next codex.

But don't quote me on that.

Well...that's a start I guess.

Didn't you read? Don't quote him. Just blind reply like I do.

Hopefully this necron release will diversify my local meta-game. Currently it's mostly different flavours of Marines + couple of Dark Eldar and IG-players. Personally I bet on wrong horse and got Some used Tau for cheap last summer, instead of necrons. Well they might be next years xenos.

As I sit here perusing the thread, eagerly anticipating Yakface to drip-feed more tidbits from the new book, I'm biding my time by painting my existing horde of Necrons.

By the time the codex releases I should have 40 warriors, 10 Immortals, 2 Monoliths, both C'tan, 6 Wraiths, 13 scarab bases, and a couple Lords all painted....Not a bad start.

12 days....

I wish I would of gotten more Tomb Spyders and Wraiths while I had the chance, now I'll be on the lookout for em.

Day one shopping list,
Codex
2 Arcs
1 barge support
All the characters
2-4 boxes of Lychguard

I can already feel my wallet hurting.

Do Warscythes retain their 2d6 armor penetration?

Also, what's up with Quantum Shielding? If my ghost ark gets pelted with long fang missle launcher fire and the hits from unit have total armor penetration of, say, 14, 12, 12, and 11, what does that mean? Do I get one penetrate and that's it? Or 3 penetrates and glance?

Any1 knows when new Whinte Dwarf should be out? Monday perhaps?

Ostrakon wrote:Do Warscythes retain their 2d6 armor penetration?

Also, what's up with Quantum Shielding? If my ghost ark gets pelted with long fang missle launcher fire and the hits from unit have total armor penetration of, say, 14, 12, 12, and 11, what does that mean? Do I get one penetrate and that's it? Or 3 penetrates and glance?

The 14 gets through but the other shots were stopped by the shield, but the next group that fires gets you at av 11

it all happens at the same time,

Ostrakon wrote:Do Warscythes retain their 2d6 armor penetration?

Also, what's up with Quantum Shielding? If my ghost ark gets pelted with long fang missle launcher fire and the hits from unit have total armor penetration of, say, 14, 12, 12, and 11, what does that mean? Do I get one penetrate and that's it? Or 3 penetrates and glance?

As far as I know:

Warscythes are "just" +2 strength power weapons and if all the shots came from the same squad, then they all hit at the same time, meaning you would have 1 pen but after that shooting your vehicle would loose the +2 AV

nosferatu1001 wrote:Adam - so DE arent competitive? Wrong. Eldar and Tau Empire werent hideously competitive in 4th ed, when they were released? Wrong.

Trying to claim that Xenos codexes are never able to beat SM belies reality. You cant even claim "in 5th ed", due to DE, which absolutely walk all over the most competitive vanilla marine builds, generally destroy BA and have a damn good chance against GK (more rock paper scissors there, depending on the GK build)

Essentially the only bad xenos codex in a looong time is Nids

Who won Adepticon? Who won the Nova Open. Nuff said on that aspect and will not comment further in order not to derail the topic. On November 5th we will see the codex and do the math hammer and I'll wait and see next year to see if the Nercons do get the top three in those tournaments.

Adam LongWalker wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Adam - so DE arent competitive? Wrong. Eldar and Tau Empire werent hideously competitive in 4th ed, when they were released? Wrong.

Trying to claim that Xenos codexes are never able to beat SM belies reality. You cant even claim "in 5th ed", due to DE, which absolutely walk all over the most competitive vanilla marine builds, generally destroy BA and have a damn good chance against GK (more rock paper scissors there, depending on the GK build)

Essentially the only bad xenos codex in a looong time is Nids

Who won Adpeticon? Who won the Nova Open. Nuff said.

Captain Obvious: "That wouldn't have anything to do with the slightly leaning ratio of SM to Xenos armies in tournaments, would it?"

Lt. Coldfire wrote:

Adam LongWalker wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Adam - so DE arent competitive? Wrong. Eldar and Tau Empire werent hideously competitive in 4th ed, when they were released? Wrong.

Trying to claim that Xenos codexes are never able to beat SM belies reality. You cant even claim "in 5th ed", due to DE, which absolutely walk all over the most competitive vanilla marine builds, generally destroy BA and have a damn good chance against GK (more rock paper scissors there, depending on the GK build)

Essentially the only bad xenos codex in a looong time is Nids

Who won Adpeticon? Who won the Nova Open. Nuff said.

Captain Obvious: "That wouldn't have anything to do with the slightly leaning ratio of SM to Xenos armies in tournaments, would it?"

Yes corporal cahoon however a pro is a pro and he uses the best tool to win the prize.

Still not about Necrons, guys

News on the Stalker would be appreciated

Ascalam wrote:
News on the Stalker would be appreciated

Seconded. Yakface, I will have your children if you bring me joyous news about this thing.