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asimo77 wrote:Woops just realized I messed up my question. I meant to say can a SC be taken IN an Overlord's Court. Ima edit my previous post accordingly

I dont think so because its a HQ slot

EDIT: I would ask if because he is a Cryptek does that mean he doesnt get a royal court?

Dont let that stop you from taking him too lead a unit if you have alotta lords in your court and want to specialize a lil more(and are not taking any other SCs and have the points)
making warriors into morts with a D3 roll if you get the T could be a way of making those points you spent on him back

I dont think you need an overlord to take a court do you? I though they just couldnt ride on the barge.

Hox wrote:I dont think you need an overlord to take a court do you? I though they just couldnt ride on the barge.

The court doesnt have to be with the overlord it can split off and lead other units like Sgt.s

EDIT: I think its any overlord or SC lord can take a court each

You may have one court for each Overlord in your army.
Unsure how this works with the Cryptek characters.

It might be like Arjac Rockfist - a single cryptek/lord can be upgraded to mr named character for +x points, etc.

Blink wrote:I appologize for the "BM", Hox, but fact is, Games Workshop IS a business governed by economics. If they CAN get away with selling a troop box for $80, they most certainly would. All businesses strive to reach that equilibrium between price and # of sales.

And you are right, they would lower their prices if they had an equalizing competetor... But they don't. Complaining doesn't change that fact.

I'm personally tired of the pseudointellectual talk about the "bad business" policies they have from people who really have no idea what they're talking about, and instead are just frustrated that they have to pay more, or wait longer.

Yeah it sucks we have to pay so much for our little plastic toys; lord knows why we do it in the first place, but there's some draw to that, and GW capitalizes on that fact.

First of all, do not listen to them if you do not like what you are hearing.

Second of all Dread fleet is not selling in my region so they are not so successful in my region. Bad business policies? Go look at the most recent financial report, the information restrictions, the Chapter House Law Suit and so on. These are signs to me of a company that is under duress. If not then there would be no region embargo. No layoffs, no part time employees, no closures of stores and so on.

From a business perspective, my take that regardless of what actions GW has done, their greatest guilt is how their customer base perceives of them. And it is a flawed one. They need to work on their public relations with their customer base. this is going to take time an effort to do this but right now I do not see this happen.


Back on topic.

What should be stated is.

1# Will the New Nercons sell? The answer is Yes. People will pick up the codex at least and make their decisions about buying more models. I'm going to pick one up and compare it to my notes of course and see what has changed and what has not. If it is good enough for me to make a new Fluff Army then I'll go ahead and do it and show the store my Benjamins once again.

2# Will it sell Well? I believe like the DE initial sales will be good and then slide down, because after all of the frenzied shopping, regardless of how pretty or how well the models and fluff are, it all comes down to game mechanics. This includes size of the unit, point cost of the unit, point cost of the upgrades, what got nerfed in the past codex and what GW gave in return on special abilities/powers. The true math hammer of 40K.

If this codex (which by the way is a Xeno codex and judging by the past practices of GW with Xeno Codexes), is not Tournament competitive against the top tier codexes that are being played right now, then it will not be played as such and be judged as an Almost Army.

If the Codex is tournament competitive against the top tier codexes being played right now then people who have the money will pay the money and go start and/or upgrading their Necon armies.

But I believe that Games Works will not harm their sacred cow, which are the Space Marines (and their different flavors) nor any of the IG, and the reason for that is a solid business one. This is where the core of their profits are coming from. Space Marines, not Eldar, nor DE. Not Orks, nor Tau. Not Chaos nor Nids or Necrons. Space Marines.

We will all find out in 2 or so weeks when the codex comes out and we will see what exactly is in the codex.

yakface wrote:Vargard Obyron does not take up a HQ slot if in the same army as Zahndrekh.

Two questions: Does this mean one can take Obryron as an HQ choice by himself? Also, if Zahndrekh and Obryon are in the same army, can you take a Court for each of them, or do they simply count as one HQ choice if taken together?

Real quick: Where are people getting that the Royal Court is unlocked by the other HQs? I haven't seen that yet. From the looks of it, it's just an HQ option that includes 0-5 Lords and/or 0-5 Crypteks.

First of do not listen to them if you do not like what you are hearing.

That is terrible advice. Problems don't go away because you choose to ignore them; hell that's why people are complaining, right? Because they perceive a problem. I would rather educate people on their improper use of "bad business policy" than just ignore it and let the ignorance of economics spread.

And where do you see a problem with their financies?
http://investor.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/2011-Full-Year-Report-and-Accounts-full-25-July.pdf

They are doing pretty well for themselves. compared to past years, on par with themselves since about 2003

http://www.fool.co.uk/qualiport/2003/qualiport030731.htm

Seriously, everyone needs to cool it with calling what they're doing "bad business policy" and be honest; you simply are frustrated you have to pay more or wait longer.

EDIT:

http://www.google.com/finance?q=LON%3AGAW&hl=en

Their stocks are fine as well.

SoulGazer wrote:

takface wrote:Vargard Obyron does not take up a HQ slot if in the same army as Zahndrekh.

Two questions: Does this mean one can take Obryron as an HQ choice by himself? Also, if Zahndrekh and Obryon are in the same army, can you take a Court for each of them, or do they simply count as one HQ choice if taken together?

My guess is Yes or mabye as a elite slot mabye with a squad and No i dont see him getting his own court just like the named crypteks

but those are just my thoughts, yours?

bluebomber wrote:

SoulGazer wrote:

yakface wrote:Vargard Obyron does not take up a HQ slot if in the same army as Zahndrekh.

Two questions: Does this mean one can take Obryron as an HQ choice by himself? Also, if Zahndrekh and Obryon are in the same army, can you take a Court for each of them, or do they simply count as one HQ choice if taken together?

My guess is Yes or mabye as a elite slot mabye with a squad and No i dont see him getting his own court just like the named crypteks

but those are just my thoughts, yours?

Not entirely sure. It could make sense both ways. If he is a solo HQ choice, he would get a court to take a long. If by taking him with another character you make him not take up a slot, does he retain his status as an HQ choice or does he become just a nifty add-on to Zahndrekh? These guys sound like a lot of fun, and I'd really prefer to take something other than Imotek. I see a lot of enemy Stormlords in my future...

SoulGazer wrote:Not entirely sure. It could make sense both ways. If he is a solo HQ choice, he would get a court to take a long. If by taking him with another character you make him not take up a slot, does he retain his status as an HQ choice or does he become just a nifty add-on to Zahndrekh? These guys sound like a lot of fun, and I'd really prefer to take something other than Imotek. I see a lot of enemy Stormlords in my future...

He's not an Overlord, there's no reason for him to unlock a royal court.

Vhalyar wrote:

SoulGazer wrote:Not entirely sure. It could make sense both ways. If he is a solo HQ choice, he would get a court to take a long. If by taking him with another character you make him not take up a slot, does he retain his status as an HQ choice or does he become just a nifty add-on to Zahndrekh? These guys sound like a lot of fun, and I'd really prefer to take something other than Imotek. I see a lot of enemy Stormlords in my future...

He's not an Overlord, there's no reason for him to unlock a royal court.

Do we know if the Codex says there is a difference between "Overlord" and "Named character" for FOC purposes? What you say makes sense fluff-wise, I just wanna know if it makes that distinction in the book.

SoulGazer wrote:Do we know if the Codex says there is a difference between "Overlord" and "Named character" for FOC purposes? What you say makes sense fluff-wise, I just wanna know if it makes that distinction in the book.

That's Yakface's description of how the Royal Court gets unlocked. Overlord/Name Overlord yes, everyone else no.

Vhalyar wrote:

SoulGazer wrote:Do we know if the Codex says there is a difference between "Overlord" and "Named character" for FOC purposes? What you say makes sense fluff-wise, I just wanna know if it makes that distinction in the book.

That's Yakface's description of how the Royal Court gets unlocked. Overlord/Name Overlord yes, everyone else no.

*Shrug* He's gotten things a tad confused before. Not blaming him, that's a ton of stuff to go through that no one else knows about, just sayin'.

Yah im trying to think outside the stormlord

Dude and his body gaurd sound like they will rock for CC (sorry forgot names) and the way it seems to me is that the bodygaurd can lead another unit and if the SC gets into CC the bodygaurd teleports back too him

So im thinking if you want a CC lord these are the guys

Im liking Trazyn or the traveler guy, but i will have to try the storm lord,

i wonder how many points it will be to take 2 courts with 5 crypteks in each, or is that even possible?

The way I see it, on November 5th I will have yet another $800 of useless GW product, plus all the time I put into building and painting them. It's the same story my pile of codexes and previous rule versions have. It is inevitible that their new products will have the same story in eight years or so.

Rogue Trader and 3eWHFB for me, unless there's a class action lawsuit to hop on board with.

Thanks for the latest info, Yakface! I hope you know you have hordes of devoted nerds eagerly awaiting every post!

Now give me MOAR!!!

As for the rumors themselves--eh, he seems alright. The fluff is decent, but could be more tragic/awesome; I think I'd prefer if he were questing for mortality rather than godhood. Rules seem pretty mediocre--I suppose it comes down to his point cost and his competition in the end, like all intra-slot competition. I can't see myself running him over a generic Lord, mostly 'cause I'm psyched about the Command Barge.

masterofstuff1 wrote:Im liking Trazyn or the traveler guy, but i will have to try the storm lord,

i wonder how many points it will be to take 2 courts with 5 crypteks in each, or is that even possible?

Dont get me wrong im ganna try it all out proxy what i have too

And Yes! it will be costly because you will need two overlord/SC lord or mabye we can have 2 overlords but its one court per overlord

Man, I sometimes wonder if GW is fueled / profited somehow by nerd rage. I was on holidays this entire week, but every night when I got back to my hotel I would read this thread on my iPhone, after getting back today I was able to catch up on the last 10 pages and now seeing, after MUCH anticipation, that the pre-order isn't until NEXT week... I'm pretty po'ed. I know it doesn't change anything really as to when I actually would RECEIVE the models, but it would have given me a chance to go to my local GW where they always have 1 copy of the codex you can thumb through. I was willing to drop ~$500 tomorrow as this week was a payday week... now since I have to wait a week, chances are I'll spend cash elsewhere (I'm terrible at playing the "waiting game" ).

I just cant stop shaking my head about how ridiculous this is... its all about dreadfleet for like 3 months, now its a damn painting kit?

Yakface, still curious; do Flayed Ones have their "Terrifying Visage" special rule, or anything like it anymore?

Ixion wrote:To be honest, these new fluff changes do solve some of the problems the Necrons had-- now, they have characters with personality and goals, far more diversity in their various Tomb-world empires, and their books can have quotes from these new characters like all the other books do.

Well not like ALL the ohte rbooks. I don't remember Tyranids having Tyranid quotes.

Nah, I clearly remember a quote from the Swarmlord after being defeated at Macragge:

Swarmlord: "Bitches be trippin', yo!"

Dr. Delorean wrote:Nah, I clearly remember a quote from the Swarmlord after being defeated at Macragge:

Swarmlord: "Bitches be trippin', yo!"

Good one. Need to paint that somewhere in my army.

bluebomber wrote:

Hox wrote:I dont think you need an overlord to take a court do you? I though they just couldnt ride on the barge.

The court doesnt have to be with the overlord it can split off and lead other units like Sgt.s

EDIT: I think its any overlord or SC lord can take a court each

Yeah I know on the breaking off but the SC Crypteks can probably take a court too. The only defined rule I think so far was that only OLs can ride in the catacomb command barge.

This upsets me. The Necrons get so much love and support.... Where was this for the SoB huh??

I feel you, Inquisitor Cyotle... I used to want a Sister's of Battle army. I settled for a Grey Knights Inquisition army instead.

Wow, I stay out of the forum for 36 hours and it grows by 20+ pages... I should have known...
Anyway don't be so fast to assume Necrons are getting the love... no one knows yet if the codex will be a powerhouse or the new nerfed army... Remains to be seen... 12 days to release!

By the way Inquisitor... "Nuns with Guns"!?! Lol, good one.

Inquisitor Cyotle wrote:This upsets me. The Necrons get so much love and support.... Where was this for the SoB huh??

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Inquisitor Cyotle wrote:This upsets me. The Necrons get so much love and support.... Where was this for the SoB huh??

Necrons don't get a lot of support, this is the first update since 2003.

I'm sure the SOB real update isn't going to be to far away either, Once they get a New codex, I'm sure they'll get all kinds of Shiny new models as well.