Game of Thrones - The Discussion! p 83 season 7 rumours[SPOILERS]

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**Orlanth**

The horn requires no foreshadowing, announcing Euron has it is counterproductive, as its plot consequence is obvious.

**Mr Morden**

Orlanth wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Jon is not a dragon rider - at least by the books... (Martin has come right and stated that in the books, Dany will have her dragon riders sorted out before she leaves for Westeros.)
As Jon isn't making it out of the North, there's no possible way for him to get a dragon.

Martin said Dany was not fireproof - she is in the show Lots of stuff changed for the better. The books are receding into the far background as a source of the plot/s.

GRRM will have to try hard to top the TV shows way of uniting the Dothraki behind Dany.

Agreed.

in the book:

Spoiler:

**djones520**

Mr Morden wrote:
Orlanth wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Jon is not a dragon rider - at least by the books... (Martin has come right and stated that in the books, Dany will have her dragon riders sorted out before she leaves for Westeros.)
As Jon isn't making it out of the North, there's no possible way for him to get a dragon.

Martin said Dany was not fireproof - she is in the show Lots of stuff changed for the better. The books are receding into the far background as a source of the plot/s.

GRRM will have to try hard to top the TV shows way of uniting the Dothraki behind Dany.

Agreed.

in the book:

Spoiler:

the Dothraki find her with her Dragon so dragging her off as a slave would be more tricky.

No they don't.

Spoiler:

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

She'll go with them willingly in the books, will speak to the Dosh Kaleen, learn of their intentions for her and then summon Drogon.

Probably.

**Mr Morden**

djones520 wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Orlanth wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Jon is not a dragon rider - at least by the books... (Martin has come right and stated that in the books, Dany will have her dragon riders sorted out before she leaves for Westeros.)
As Jon isn't making it out of the North, there's no possible way for him to get a dragon.

Martin said Dany was not fireproof - she is in the show Lots of stuff changed for the better. The books are receding into the far background as a source of the plot/s.

GRRM will have to try hard to top the TV shows way of uniting the Dothraki behind Dany.

Agreed.

in the book:

Spoiler:

the Dothraki find her with her Dragon so dragging her off as a slave would be more tricky.

No they don't.

Spoiler:

In the books she had spent several days with Drogon, but decided she needed to get back to Mereen, so started walking. She had spent several days walking, when the Dothraki found her. Drogon wasn't nearby at the time.

I gave my copy away - but I was sure that the last Dany bit had

Spoiler:

Might be wrong though - not uncommon

**djones520**

Yeah, that happened, and then she did what I put in my spoiler.

**Mr Morden**

djones520 wrote:
Yeah, that happened, and then she did what I put in my spoiler.

Ok so now I am getting confused. Sorry long week at work.

I thought it was:

Spoiler:

but

Spoiler:

but also:

Spoiler:

Yeah, that happened, and then she did what I put in my spoiler

So she wondered off after meeting them?

The wiki says:

Spoiler:

**CthuluIsSpy**

Yeah, she was with the dragon in the book.

From A Dance with Dragons, page 1099

Spoiler:

**Mr Morden**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yeah, she was with the dragon in the book.

From A Dance with Dragons, page 1099

Spoiler:

"...Dany rose, wiped her hands on her ragged undertunic, and went to stand beside her dragon. That was how Khal Jhaqo found her, when half a hundred mounted warriors emerged from the drifting smoke."

Cool that's what I thought - so might turn out quite different depending on if Dany is happy to go off with them - then again

Spoiler:

so she needs the Dothraki even more.

**d-usa**

Ouze wrote:
They are definitely 100% not going to introduce Lady Stoneheart at this point. There isn't time.

I also am very doubtful on the Horn of Joramun. They really have not established it in any way on the show.

I think Arya fills the role of Lady Stoneheart at this point in the show.

**reds8n**

http://epicstream.com/news/George-RR-Martins-Original-3-Page-Outline-From-1993-Hints-Unexpected-Love-Triangle

overall the changes seem for the better.

**creeping-deth87**

Honestly the series probably would have been better as a trilogy. Kinda wish he stuck with that.

**welshhoppo**

I think Danny's side of the story would have been better served as a trilogy. Considering she already spends half the books not doing anything important.

**Dr. What**

welshhoppo wrote:
I think Danny's side of the story would have been better served as a trilogy. Considering she already spends half the books not doing anything important.

I think a lot of this stems from George's intentions to have a 5 year time skip after aSoS. Dany would've been ruling for 5 years, Jon would've been commanding for 5 years, ...etc, then everything hits the fan and winter is coming.

**Korinov**

Orlanth wrote:

GRRM will have to try hard to top the TV shows way of uniting the Dothraki behind Dany.

You mean burning stuff, then everybody magically bows down before the mighty whitey chick? I don't think it's really that difficult to write something better than that.

If she had used Drogon to reduce the khals to ashes, then ok. But I guess they were a bit short on the CGI budget for that.

**Mr Morden**

Korinov wrote:
Orlanth wrote:

GRRM will have to try hard to top the TV shows way of uniting the Dothraki behind Dany.

You mean burning stuff, then everybody magically bows down before the mighty whitey chick? I don't think it's really that difficult to write something better than that.

If she had used Drogon to reduce the khals to ashes, then ok. But I guess they were a bit short on the CGI budget for that.

She emerged from a raging inferno untouched and unhurt, she commands Dragons, yeah i really can't think why they thought she might be a goddess

GRm is soo much better with his supermagical stark children .......... he has not come up with a decent stroyline in Song in the last twenty years so why start now.

**angelofvengeance**

On a show related note, it looks like season 7 will be delayed. This is due to the show progressing to Westeros obviously, where winter is finally starting to hit. So naturally it'll need to be somewhat colder for them to shoot the episodes.

**Alpharius**

Mr Morden wrote:

GRm is soo much better with his supermagical stark children .......... he has not come up with a decent stroyline in Song in the last twenty years so why start now.

I get Internet Hyperbole but that comment is truly

worthy!

The whole series started 20 years ago - GRRM is rightly taken to task for books 4 and 5 - and the ridiculous delay we're now in, but there's plenty to like in there!

**gorgon**

The last two books are certainly a bit of a slog and more tangential compared to the rip-roaring read that was ASoS, but there's good stuff in there too.

I hope he actually finishes ASOIAF someday so that we can see his version of the story. It's fun that they're trying to wrap the show story up soon, but it feels less like ASOIAF all the time with how literal and linear it's become. The dialogue has lost nuance and wit, and the plotting has gotten sloppier. And I don't think Martin will allow book Daenerys Targaryen to become the Mary Sue that show Daenerys has become, or at least not without a reckoning down the road.

The show is still fun...it's just not what it was without Martin's words to lean on.

**Korinov**

Mr Morden wrote:
She emerged from a raging inferno untouched and unhurt,

Sorcery. Remember what the Dothraki thought about witches like Mirri Mazz Dur in the first season?

she commands Dragons

And where are said dragons? Why someone who actually "commands dragons" needs to plan an intrincate plot in order to get rid of some opposing enemies? Why not command her dragons to slaughter them in the first place?

The dothraki people bowing down before Mighty Whitey Girl there have seen no dragon.

yeah i really can't think why they thought she might be a goddess

Considering traditional dothraki's attitudes towards magic, they would rightfully think she's a witch, and a witch that just used fire sorcery to kill their rightful leaders. They would have probably torn her to pieces right there.

GRm is soo much better with his supermagical stark children .......... he has not come up with a decent stroyline in Song in the last twenty years so why start now.

A Game of Thrones was published in 1996 iirc

**AndrewC**

Sorry to drag the topic back a bit, but did anyone spot the continuity error in the opening titles?

The Great Sept was burning in Kingslanding.

Cheers

Andrew

**gorgon**

Oscar winner Jim Broadbent has been cast in a mystery role in season 7, which is said to be "significant."

Howland Reed?

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/game-thrones-casts-jim-broadbent-significant-season-7-203859096.html

**Crazy_Carnifex**

gorgon wrote:

Howland Reed?

Probably, but what's left to do? Both things we've been waiting on Howland to do have already happened on the show, so this kinda just leaves returning Lord Eddards bones to Winterfell.

**gorgon**

Not exactly, if you think about it.

We just know Jon's parentage, and only one was revealed to Bran. The other is assumed. Jon also doesn't know, and Bran isn't nearby to tell him. And others will need someone else to confirm Bran's vision, because Bran seeing it in a dream isn't going to convince Westeros of a secret Targaryen. We also don't know his parents' story. The show hasn't dropped many breadcrumbs like the books, so viewers are left thinking that Rhaegar kidnapped and assaulted Lyanna, which readers suspect isn't true.

Perhaps this is where the story of the Knight of the Laughing Tree gets told, at least in some fashion. Instead of Jojen, maybe it's Howland who tells it. The Reed siblings in the books seem to be aware of more things than the show versions.

**angelofvengeance**

gorgon wrote:
Oscar winner Jim Broadbent has been cast in a mystery role in season 7, which is said to be "significant."

Howland Reed?

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/game-thrones-casts-jim-broadbent-significant-season-7-203859096.html

Nah. I think he'll be the Arch-Maester at the citadel. Doubt it'll be Howland Reed.

**reds8n**

http://uproxx.com/tv/daenerys-season-7-game-of-thrones/

At the end of season six of Game of Thrones, Daenerys and her entourage, including Tyrion, Varys, Missandei, a Dothraki horde, and a turtle (they’re in the ocean; I’m sure there’s a turtle somewhere), set sail to Westeros. Finally. But Westeros is pretty big — where exactly are they planning on docking? It’s not as if they can dock on Cersei’s door, and expect a quick surrender. Dany’s destination is one of the biggest questions heading into season seven, which won’t premiere until next summer, but we might have our answer.

Spanish newspaper El Correo reported that Muriola Beach in Barrika has been selected as a shooting location for next season, with the Independent adding, “Town Mayor Robert Muñoz is… being ‘kept in the dark’ about why exactly filming is taking place on the scenic beach.” One possible scenario is that’s where Daenerys is headed, and the beach will double as Dragonstone, a former Targaryen stomping ground. Giving credence to this theory is Watchers on the Wall’s report that the Dragonpit, a massive dragon-holding vault inside King’s Landing, will make its Game of Thrones debut this season.

“Besides the fact that we’ll be seeing another intriguing site,” WotW writes, “the larger takeaway from this news is that based on the Dragonpit’s established location and what our source told us, we can confirm Daenerys will be arriving in King’s Landing in season seven.” It’s about time.

**Mr Morden**

Finally. But Westeros is pretty big — where exactly are they planning on docking? It’s not as if they can dock on Cersei’s door, and expect a quick surrender.

Actually she could do exactly that - she has the support of not only Dorne but the Tyrells - perhaps the only noble family apart from the Lanisters left with power - they still have an intact army - if they meet her there with their army - whats to stop her?She might land nearby to be on the safe side and await the envoys of the remaining great and good

Cersei could only must limited resistance -especially against Dragons - it only took 3 of them to take the 7 kingdoms the first time round and Dany has a much larger conventional army and a much smaller enemy.

The challenge for her should be what is she going to do when she gets there, how will she control the Dothraki who will likely sweep through the land like a plague of locusts.

**djones520**

Mr Morden wrote:
Finally. But Westeros is pretty big — where exactly are they planning on docking? It’s not as if they can dock on Cersei’s door, and expect a quick surrender.

Actually she could do exactly that - she has the support of not only Dorne but the Tyrells - perhaps the only noble family apart from the Lanisters left with power - they still have an intact army - if they meet her there with their army - whats to stop her?She might land nearby to be on the safe side and await the envoys of the remaining great and good

Cersei could only must limited resistance -especially against Dragons - it only took 3 of them to take the 7 kingdoms the first time round and Dany has a much larger conventional army and a much smaller enemy.

The challenge for her should be what is she going to do when she gets there, how will she control the Dothraki who will likely sweep through the land like a plague of locusts.

If it weren't for the threat of the white walkers, I'd be saying the Dothraki would be more of a hindrance then a help right now. Westeros is practically broken at this point. With the Dorne in her pocket, and Highgarden undoubtedly following along, the Lannisters are just done for, even without the Dothraki. Now she'll have to manage a horde of rapacious pillagers, since there really won't be a war that she needs them to fight. Huzzah for endless hordes of zombies to throw them at.

**reds8n**

http://www.gamesradar.com/the-entire-game-of-thrones-season-7-plot-has-been-leaked-if-you-want-to-read-it/?utm_content=buffer9ce66&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer_sfxfb

Huge spoilers, obviously. So I'm not going to print anything before a huge warning for that reason but, if you wanted, you could potentially read Game of Thrones season 7's entire plot right now.

The information originally appeared on the Free Folk reddit which has managed to be incredibly accurate spoilering through most of season 6. The account that posted it has already been deleted but other posts have collated the information. You can also read an episode by episode breakdown on Heat Street if you really want to spoil everything.

soo... duh... SPOILERS !

assuming this is true anyway :

Spoiler:

.. certainly sounds plausible enough.

That said most/many of the ideas and theories put forth about Ayra etc etc last season all seemed good to so....

**Mr Morden**

hmm

Spoiler:

Ah well hoping for a fun season.....