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The little green men in Crimea were Russian soldiers wearing Russian uniforms using Russian vehicles and wielding Russian weapons. It was obvious they were Russian soldiers, controlled by the Russian state. But those little green men were a world apart from the mercenaries we see in Syria, who are not Russian soldiers. It is a completely different scenario.
Also, they are not managed by a guy reporting directly to Putin. Do you understand anything of chains of command at all? Do you understand that not every individual in Russia is part of some kind of chain of command that leads to Putin?
Firstly, the rumour that the mercenaries involved in the Syrian attack were employed by the Wagner company is completely unsubstantiated. Secondly, even if they were, the Wagner company is not controlled directly by Putin or the Russian state. Its founder is a businessman with links to Putin, yes, but virtually all businessmen in Russia have such links. That is simply the way business in a corrupt country like Russia works. It does not mean however that they take orders from Putin.
Again, I have to ask if you are on the same planet as the rest of us.
The official Kremlin statement regarding Crimea and even eastern Ukraine was that they were not there officially, but you say its obvious they were controlled by the state, now what proof do you have of that? And here we have other green men of a different type serving Russian interests in Syria but this time they aren't being controlled by the state? Yes they are Wagner, and yes if Putin is going to sign off with approval or not depending on what they are doing to do. 200 Russians got whacked biting off more than they can chew. The state abandoned them because it feared escalation.
The Russian government later admitted it? Are you implying anyone believed Russia's lies about those soldiers being "on holiday"?
The only green men in Syria are actual Russian soldiers. These mercenaries are in look, attitude and training all very differently from the green men in Crimea. Again, not every Russian is personally controlled by the Russian state or Vladimir Putin. If a ragtag group of Russians is running along with Syrian government militias, that does not necessarily mean they are there because Putin willed them to be there.
Are you living on the same planet as I am? Or are you living on the planet where Putin is an all-powerful god where no Russian ever does anything without his explicit approval?
KTG17 wrote: Yes they are Wagner, and yes if Putin is going to sign off with approval or not depending on what they are doing to do. 200 Russians got whacked biting off more than they can chew. The state abandoned them because it feared escalation.
Do you have anything to back up such a sensational statement? Or is this just your fantasy?
They should... or, at the very minimum Tony Podesta should (who was phished that allows the DNC's correspondences being publicized).
What I found amazing basically boils down to this:
DNC: Our server was hacked!
FBI: Can we look at it?
DNC: Nope We hired Hillary's guys by way of Perkin Coies law firm Cloudstrike for that.
FBI: ...same guys that works with Fusion GPS?
DNC: <looks shiftly> erm... yeah... those guys. It's totes cool... they got this.
FBI: Okay then... whateve Cloudstrikes says.
Cloudstrike: No hack - it was an email phishing scheme that snared Podesta with Russian origination.
Democrats: Trump should cancel his meeting with Putin and nuke his vacation home for getting Trump elected.
It will be interesting to see the spin on this...Trump looks to bw trying to confirm everyone's suspicions as hard as he can.
The KGB (likely Putin too) thought Trump was a fool. (something we all can agree on ).
However, Putin absolutely hated Hillary Clinton... so, yeah... not so surprising when Putie-poo meets with Trump and mentions that he wanted Trump to win over Clinton.
Along this same vein, maybe to 'splain why Trump likes to fondly Putin's family jewels... I'm shocked... SHOCKED (not really) that Trump still rejects the Russian meddling/collusion narrative that his detractors said is proof that his presidency is illegitimate and should lead to his removal from office.
I mean, when are folks going to realize that Trump is NEVER going to accept the idea that Russian meddling impacted his election. That cake was baked the minute it became a question not of what the Russians did, but the legitimacy of Trump's presidency.... It's astounding to me that folks still refuse to understand this....
I mentioned this before that Mueller's investigation could've been about the Russian meddling or it could become about getting rid of Trump. The media, Democrats and "#TheResistance" chose the latter... which makes it almost impossible for Trump (and his voters) to give credence to the former.
Trump's favoritism towards Turkey, to me, is way more despicable than Trump verbal fellatio'ing of Putin... Turkey is supposed to be a Western ally moving towards Western ideals... and he's been acting like a despotic dictator.
President Trump says he doesn't know if he agrees with a warning from Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats about the "critical" threat of potentially devastating cyberattacks targeting U.S. systems.
Well Donny, I'm not sure where your counterevidence is coming from, but all the people who's job it is to know about this stuff seem to agree...
Offered multiple chances to denounce Russia's actions, Mr. Trump instead placed blame on the FBI and said that he had "confidence" in both parties -- the intelligence community and Russia.
"All I can do is ask the question - my people came to me, Dan Coats came to me and some others, they said they think it's Russia. I have President Putin he just said it's not Russia. I will say this, I don't see any reason why it would be but I really want to see the server but, I have confidence in both parties," Mr. Trump said.
He went so far as to say that Putin's denial of having been involved in the election was "extremely strong and powerful." Putin instead reiterated past claims that the "Russian state" has never and is not going to ever interfere in U.S. internal affairs, including elections, and offered to allow Special Counsel Robert Mueller an opportunity to request to interrogate and question 12 Russian nationals indicted in his probe on Russian soil.
whembly wrote:I mean, when are folks going to realize that Trump is NEVER going to accept the idea that Russian meddling impacted his election. That cake was baked the minute it became a question not of what the Russians did, but the legitimacy of Trump's presidency.... It's astounding to me that folks still refuse to understand this....
I dont think anyone is expecting Trump to accept it, rathet that he's so tone deaf that he's basically playing into every line such that even if he isnt guilty, he sure is trying his hardest to look so.
Trump's favoritism towards Turkey, to me, is way more despicable than Trump verbal fellatio'ing of Putin... Turkey is supposed to be a Western ally moving towards Western ideals... and he's been acting like a despotic dictator.
Also Duterte. The dude loves donkey-caves.
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The danger is that six more years of Trumpism will install an unbreakably far right wing system of federal judges at all levels, as well as damage the international rules-based order beyond repair.
Yes, damage will certainly be terrible. That's how they will be caught. The more damage is done, the more difficult it is to hide it/blame on the other side, especially when they have no power at all to influence the decisions. And the longer it lasts in people's minds.
You can see Trump is still here and supported by the GOP base after more than a year of this, even with everything he said, did and endorses. They won't change their mind two years later. No,you need real horrible, undeniable damage inflicted to them so that they can't do anything but see the reality in front of their eyes. And if Democrats are in the same place right now, with no actual power to do anything to block the Trump administration, even the GOP propaganda will sound silly to them when they will blame them for what is clearly done by the Trump Administration - and by extension, the Republicans.
When they can't deny or escape the reality anymore, that's how they will be forced to change. Such parties/people need an enemy/target to blame so that they can deflect the unwanted consequences of their own wrongs. If the situation is still like this for a second mandate ? They won't have any inside. That's why they also need an enemy outside. Their ideology can't work without an enemy to blame/fight.
And yes, I'm aware what I'm saying is also horrible. But sadly, as time goes on and I keep reading their reactions, I reluclantly think we may have to end up here
.
The solution really, is to nominate better candidates up/down tickets. BOTH parties need to...
The Russian government later admitted it? Are you implying anyone believed Russia's lies about those soldiers being "on holiday"?
The only green men in Syria are actual Russian soldiers. These mercenaries are in look, attitude and training all very differently from the green men in Crimea. Again, not every Russian is personally controlled by the Russian state or Vladimir Putin. If a ragtag group of Russians is running along with Syrian government militias, that does not necessarily mean they are there because Putin willed them to be there.
Are you living on the same planet as I am? Or are you living on the planet where Putin is an all-powerful god where no Russian ever does anything without his explicit approval?
Do you even see how contradictory your statements are? You are writing this stuff too, not me.
KTG17 wrote: Yes they are Wagner, and yes if Putin is going to sign off with approval or not depending on what they are doing to do. 200 Russians got whacked biting off more than they can chew. The state abandoned them because it feared escalation.
Do you have anything to back up such a sensational statement? Or is this just your fantasy?
The danger is that six more years of Trumpism will install an unbreakably far right wing system of federal judges at all levels, as well as damage the international rules-based order beyond repair.
Yes, damage will certainly be terrible. That's how they will be caught. The more damage is done, the more difficult it is to hide it/blame on the other side, especially when they have no power at all to influence the decisions. And the longer it lasts in people's minds.
You can see Trump is still here and supported by the GOP base after more than a year of this, even with everything he said, did and endorses. They won't change their mind two years later. No,you need real horrible, undeniable damage inflicted to them so that they can't do anything but see the reality in front of their eyes. And if Democrats are in the same place right now, with no actual power to do anything to block the Trump administration, even the GOP propaganda will sound silly to them when they will blame them for what is clearly done by the Trump Administration - and by extension, the Republicans.
When they can't deny or escape the reality anymore, that's how they will be forced to change. Such parties/people need an enemy/target to blame so that they can deflect the unwanted consequences of their own wrongs. If the situation is still like this for a second mandate ? They won't have any inside. That's why they also need an enemy outside. Their ideology can't work without an enemy to blame/fight.
And yes, I'm aware what I'm saying is also horrible. But sadly, as time goes on and I keep reading their reactions, I reluclantly think we may have to end up here
.
The solution really, is to nominate better candidates up/down tickets. BOTH parties need to...
Except those "better' candidates seem to lose primaries.... so I guess they weren't that great of candidates to begin with!
Quite a catch that Catch-22.
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Offered multiple chances to denounce Russia's actions, Mr. Trump instead placed blame on the FBI and said that he had "confidence" in both parties -- the intelligence community and Russia.
"All I can do is ask the question - my people came to me, Dan Coats came to me and some others, they said they think it's Russia. I have President Putin he just said it's not Russia. I will say this, I don't see any reason why it would be but I really want to see the server but, I have confidence in both parties," Mr. Trump said.
He went so far as to say that Putin's denial of having been involved in the election was "extremely strong and powerful." Putin instead reiterated past claims that the "Russian state" has never and is not going to ever interfere in U.S. internal affairs, including elections, and offered to allow Special Counsel Robert Mueller an opportunity to request to interrogate and question 12 Russian nationals indicted in his probe on Russian soil.
Yah... okay Putin... that'll be awesome to interview those nationals on RU's soil.
If Mueller was serious about those indictments... he should've kept them under seal and worked with foreign governments to apprehend those Russian nationals should they travel abroad. But... eh... whateves. Nothing will amount to these indictment as they'll never be "served" nor see the insides of a US court house.
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What an embarrassing day to be an American. I am sorry for those of you resisting Trump and his party of sycophants. I am glad to see at least some republicans growing a spine and publicly criticising him on this gakshow.
The contrast to how he treats US allies and enemies is so stark. The guy is a traitor to your nation.
The danger is that six more years of Trumpism will install an unbreakably far right wing system of federal judges at all levels, as well as damage the international rules-based order beyond repair.
Yes, damage will certainly be terrible. That's how they will be caught. The more damage is done, the more difficult it is to hide it/blame on the other side, especially when they have no power at all to influence the decisions. And the longer it lasts in people's minds.
You can see Trump is still here and supported by the GOP base after more than a year of this, even with everything he said, did and endorses. They won't change their mind two years later. No,you need real horrible, undeniable damage inflicted to them so that they can't do anything but see the reality in front of their eyes. And if Democrats are in the same place right now, with no actual power to do anything to block the Trump administration, even the GOP propaganda will sound silly to them when they will blame them for what is clearly done by the Trump Administration - and by extension, the Republicans.
When they can't deny or escape the reality anymore, that's how they will be forced to change. Such parties/people need an enemy/target to blame so that they can deflect the unwanted consequences of their own wrongs. If the situation is still like this for a second mandate ? They won't have any inside. That's why they also need an enemy outside. Their ideology can't work without an enemy to blame/fight.
And yes, I'm aware what I'm saying is also horrible. But sadly, as time goes on and I keep reading their reactions, I reluclantly think we may have to end up here
.
The solution really, is to nominate better candidates up/down tickets. BOTH parties need to...
Except those "better' candidates seem to lose primaries.... so I guess they weren't that great of candidates to begin with!
Quite a catch that Catch-22.
No argument from me... doesn't mean we all can't do better.
Da Boss wrote: What an embarrassing day to be an American. I am sorry for those of you resisting Trump and his party of sycophants. I am glad to see at least some republicans growing a spine and publicly criticising him on this gakshow.
The contrast to how he treats US allies and enemies is so stark. The guy is a traitor to your nation.
I am not embarrassed. No matter what this guy does we're still the best country in the world. We've had other clowns for President (Nixon, Carter, Bush) and have gotten by just fine.
Offered multiple chances to denounce Russia's actions, Mr. Trump instead placed blame on the FBI and said that he had "confidence" in both parties -- the intelligence community and Russia.
"All I can do is ask the question - my people came to me, Dan Coats came to me and some others, they said they think it's Russia. I have President Putin he just said it's not Russia. I will say this, I don't see any reason why it would be but I really want to see the server but, I have confidence in both parties," Mr. Trump said.
He went so far as to say that Putin's denial of having been involved in the election was "extremely strong and powerful." Putin instead reiterated past claims that the "Russian state" has never and is not going to ever interfere in U.S. internal affairs, including elections, and offered to allow Special Counsel Robert Mueller an opportunity to request to interrogate and question 12 Russian nationals indicted in his probe on Russian soil.
Yah... okay Putin... that'll be awesome to interview those nationals on RU's soil.
If Mueller was serious about those indictments... he should've kept them under seal and worked with foreign governments to apprehend those Russian nationals should they travel abroad. But... eh... whateves. Nothing will amount to these indictment as they'll never be "served" nor see the insides of a US court house.
Nobody is expecting those officers to ever see a US courtroom, and none of them were likely to be going on trips to places with extradition to the US in any sort of unofficial capacity where they could be subject to arrest anyway
Rather, it is more about being able to say "hey something really happened and we can identify people involved", and likely to tie in to subjects that *are* within reach.
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Sure. I might just value other things than you in my estimation of the "best" country in the world. I am a pretty socialist kind of person, so the US as one of the most capitalist places on earth is not to my taste. But I don't think it is some sort of awful hellhole, and it's cultural and military might is impressive.
Da Boss wrote: What an embarrassing day to be an American. I am sorry for those of you resisting Trump and his party of sycophants. I am glad to see at least some republicans growing a spine and publicly criticising him on this gakshow.
The contrast to how he treats US allies and enemies is so stark. The guy is a traitor to your nation.
I am not embarrassed. No matter what this guy does we're still the best country in the world. We've had other clowns for President (Nixon, Carter, Bush) and have gotten by just fine.
This is why we have checks and balances.
On the other hand, we've never had a congress and supreme court that has been so willing to give the president whatever he wants, cover for him, and a party that doesn't give a feth what he says, does, or even care about when he does a 180 on his policies.
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Da Boss wrote: 2016, I was in Portland for a wedding. It was lovely.
ssshhhh, don't tell people that Portland is nice...otherwise they might move here.
*ahem* sorry all, Portland's closed, move along, Seattle is just up the road.
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Da Boss wrote: Sure. I might just value other things than you in my estimation of the "best" country in the world. I am a pretty socialist kind of person, so the US as one of the most capitalist places on earth is not to my taste. But I don't think it is some sort of awful hellhole, and it's cultural and military might is impressive.
Well, I have been to over 30 countries around the world and have lived in a few. While a few here and there might excel at one thing or another, all around none offer the same of what the US has. As one person who migrated here from Asia told me, "Its very easy to live here." It is. There is plenty of everything, they are easily accessible, peeps stay out of your business, and hard work is rewarded. Looking for forests, mountains, deserts, swamps, white sand beaches, thousands of lakes, we got it. I never get tired of exploring here.
Da Boss wrote: Sure. I might just value other things than you in my estimation of the "best" country in the world. I am a pretty socialist kind of person, so the US as one of the most capitalist places on earth is not to my taste. But I don't think it is some sort of awful hellhole, and it's cultural and military might is impressive.
Well, I have been to over 30 countries around the world and have lived in a few. While a few here and there might excel at one thing or another, all around none offer the same of what the US has. As one person who migrated here from Asia told me, "Its very easy to live here." It is. There is plenty of everything, they are easily accessible, peeps stay out of your business, and hard work is rewarded. Looking for forests, mountains, deserts, swamps, white sand beaches, thousands of lakes, we got it. I never get tired of exploring here.
There is literally an entire thread on this site about how hard work isn't rewarded. You also have a political party seeking to intrude in women's business.
The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
The danger is that six more years of Trumpism will install an unbreakably far right wing system of federal judges at all levels, as well as damage the international rules-based order beyond repair.
Yes, damage will certainly be terrible. That's how they will be caught. The more damage is done, the more difficult it is to hide it/blame on the other side, especially when they have no power at all to influence the decisions. And the longer it lasts in people's minds.
You can see Trump is still here and supported by the GOP base after more than a year of this, even with everything he said, did and endorses. They won't change their mind two years later. No,you need real horrible, undeniable damage inflicted to them so that they can't do anything but see the reality in front of their eyes. And if Democrats are in the same place right now, with no actual power to do anything to block the Trump administration, even the GOP propaganda will sound silly to them when they will blame them for what is clearly done by the Trump Administration - and by extension, the Republicans.
When they can't deny or escape the reality anymore, that's how they will be forced to change. Such parties/people need an enemy/target to blame so that they can deflect the unwanted consequences of their own wrongs. If the situation is still like this for a second mandate ? They won't have any inside. That's why they also need an enemy outside. Their ideology can't work without an enemy to blame/fight.
And yes, I'm aware what I'm saying is also horrible. But sadly, as time goes on and I keep reading their reactions, I reluclantly think we may have to end up here.
I think you have a very flawed understanding of the human relationship with blame. If all the trumpers are angry and hungry, it will be even easier to blame the democrats for the collapse of the old windmill, not harder. The bolder the lie, the more it will be believed.
Da Boss wrote: Sure. I might just value other things than you in my estimation of the "best" country in the world. I am a pretty socialist kind of person, so the US as one of the most capitalist places on earth is not to my taste. But I don't think it is some sort of awful hellhole, and it's cultural and military might is impressive.
Well, I have been to over 30 countries around the world and have lived in a few. While a few here and there might excel at one thing or another, all around none offer the same of what the US has. As one person who migrated here from Asia told me, "Its very easy to live here." It is. There is plenty of everything, they are easily accessible, peeps stay out of your business, and hard work is rewarded. Looking for forests, mountains, deserts, swamps, white sand beaches, thousands of lakes, we got it. I never get tired of exploring here.
I can well believe it. The everglades are on my bucket list, as well as the Rocky Mountains and the canyonlands. Yellowstone park too. And you guys have been world leaders in how to run a national park.
I respect the US. I used to respect it more, before the current administration. But I am happy living in Europe. I think it all comes down to your perspective on life. Here in Germany, a middling amount of work is rewarded, and that suits me just fine
“Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!”-Trump
Now, I don't know about "never been worse", that seems like something you could really split hairs over, but it is in fact the case that the US and the West basically decided to keep treating Russia as an enemy even after the fall of the USSR. It's also true that it's mostly out of raw foolishness. Germany is pretty stupid for joining in on the antagonism against a country they buy so much gas from. The main impulse in the rivalry with Russia isn't anything its government has actually done but "we must unquestionably rule the world". It's a bunch of wealthy businessmen being upset that there is now another group of wealthy businessmen.
No its literally not. As I stated, there was a point where we were hours from a shooting war.
There was a point where we were within minutes of Russia launching a nuke because of a satellite error.
Fortunately for the entire world the member of the Russian military tasked with the launch broke orders, convinced that the US would have launched a lot more than the six missiles that the satellite was reporting. Everyone owes Lieutenant Colonel Stanislav Petrov a very sincere Thank You. (1983.)
The Auld Grump
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
whembly wrote: No argument from me... doesn't mean we all can't do better.
This kind of 'both sides' bullfethery is exactly what Trump was hiding behind at Helsinki. How you cannot see that your party has been hijacked by a corrupt criminal is beyond me.
The Cult of Trump is propped up by two things: rubes and rubles.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
The Russian government later admitted it? Are you implying anyone believed Russia's lies about those soldiers being "on holiday"? The only green men in Syria are actual Russian soldiers. These mercenaries are in look, attitude and training all very differently from the green men in Crimea. Again, not every Russian is personally controlled by the Russian state or Vladimir Putin. If a ragtag group of Russians is running along with Syrian government militias, that does not necessarily mean they are there because Putin willed them to be there. Are you living on the same planet as I am? Or are you living on the planet where Putin is an all-powerful god where no Russian ever does anything without his explicit approval?
Do you even see how contradictory your statements are? You are writing this stuff too, not me.
Well, let me spell it out for you then.
Crimea: Armed men, dressed in Russian uniforms but without insignia, using Russian military vehicles and wielding weapons exclusive to the Russian military show up and take over the peninsula. They behave in a disciplined manner such as one would associate with trained soldiers. Russian military bases in Sevastopol are suspiciously empty and missing their vehicles. The Russian Black Sea fleet has left port and blockaded the Ukrainian navy in a lake north of the city. The entire world accuses Russia of involvement. Russia is the only one to deny and launches a massive disinformation campaign in response. Somewhat later, Russia admits its involvement and formally annexes the peninsula.
Syria: Armed men, not dressed in any sort of coherent uniform, using locally available vehicles and weapons, attack a US military base. They are relatively lightly equipped, do not behave in any disciplined manner at all and their attack is a total mess. After the battle, some of the men turn out to have been Russian nationals. The US nor any other country accuses Russia of involvement. Russia denies involvement, but does not launch any sort of disinformation campaign. When pressed, the US also denies Russian involvement and states its actions were undertaken with consent of the Russian side. Russia later confirms this. The only accusations of Russian involvement come from social media, which are subsequently reported on by the media.
The difference: In Crimea, the armed men looked like Russian soldiers, behaved like Russian soldiers and acted in a manner consistent with clear Russian interests. It looked like a Russian soldier, walked like a Russian soldier and quacked like a Russian soldier. Therefore, world concluded, they probably were Russian soldiers, and acted as such. In Syria, the armed men did not look like or behave as one would expect Russian soldiers to behave. Nor did their action serve any apparent Russian interests. Quite the contrary, their action could have put Russian interests at risk. It did not look like a Russian soldier, walk like a Russian soldier or quack like a Russian soldier. Therefore, the probability of Russian military involvement is reduced drastically. The behaviour of the US and Russia reinforces this theory. The US has no more interest in covering up Russian involvement in this attack than it had in covering up Russian involvement in Crimea. None. Russia did not surround this event with the usual disinformation it uses when covering something up.
KTG17 wrote: Yes they are Wagner, and yes if Putin is going to sign off with approval or not depending on what they are doing to do. 200 Russians got whacked biting off more than they can chew. The state abandoned them because it feared escalation.
Do you have anything to back up such a sensational statement? Or is this just your fantasy?
I mean come on this is too easy. So many more I am just lazy.
I'll tell you what I didn't do though, I didn't go to RT.com, because those morons write for other morons on Putin's behalf.
Well, you didn't bother reading those articles, did you? Because none of them give any of the proof you are after. One half is just echoing social media rumours, the other is more careful and does not empty-headedly echo rumours, but does provide background information for the reader to make up his/her own mind. None of them offer any kind of evidence. The New York Times for example is just writing an article relying entirely on 'anonymous sources' and fills in the gaps with (admitted) hearsay.
Given what's been happening with the Russian indictments, given we've also had Trump's comments...
If we're not fully entering high crimes and misdeamenours territory, are we not at least skirting the edges?
Past American presidents have been badly damaged for less than this...
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deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Given what's been happening with the Russian indictments, given we've also had Trump's comments...
If we're not fully entering high crimes and misdeamenours territory, are we not at least skirting the edges?
Past American presidents have been badly damaged for less than this...
Thats up to Congress...which his party controls and have thus far proven unwilling to stand up to him in any meaningful way.
That said, we are seeing a lot of domestic blowback on this and cracks are starting to form in the Trumpverse over this. We'll see if it sticks, but this does not appear to be flying well at all here.
whembly wrote:Going there for a wedding in September for a 'Goonies" themed wedding. Not sure if we're hitting Portland tho...
Astoria is a cool town if you're heading there, september is just about when everything will probably be at its brownest and driest though
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whembly wrote: No argument from me... doesn't mean we all can't do better.
This kind of 'both sides' bullfethery is exactly what Trump was hiding behind at Helsinki. How you cannot see that your party has been hijacked by a corrupt criminal is beyond me.
The Cult of Trump is propped up by two things: rubes and rubles.
Trump arguably doesn't present any kind of hijacking and is very much a home-grown American treat. Anything else is just a bunch of wealthy liberals kidding themselves.
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