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It's an opt-in app with well publicised functions that will recieve heavy scrutiny. It's really not the stasi.
For now.
Did you read it? the app will 'let you know' when you've been outside too long...I mean, for one, I'm a functioning human. I don't need an electronic device to tell me things like that.'
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It's an opt-in app with well publicised functions that will recieve heavy scrutiny. It's really not the stasi.
For now.
Did you read it? the app will 'let you know' when you've been outside too long...I mean, for one, I'm a functioning human. I don't need an electronic device to tell me things like that.'
Literally any state that prides itself in democratic and liberal values can NOT enforce it without getting massive public backlash just due to how they derive legitimacy in government.
So no, never. except of course you are speaking about iliberal democracies like Hungary.
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It's an opt-in app with well publicised functions that will recieve heavy scrutiny. It's really not the stasi.
For now.
Did you read it? the app will 'let you know' when you've been outside too long...I mean, for one, I'm a functioning human. I don't need an electronic device to tell me things like that.'
Literally any state that prides itself in democratic and liberal values can NOT enforce it without getting massive public backlash just due to how they derive legitimacy in government.
So no, never. except of course you are speaking about iliberal democracies like Hungary.
Yes, in theory, but thats how they do it, gradually, bit by bit. get people used to something, then increase, rinse and repeat.
It's an opt-in app with well publicised functions that will recieve heavy scrutiny. It's really not the stasi.
For now.
Did you read it? the app will 'let you know' when you've been outside too long...I mean, for one, I'm a functioning human. I don't need an electronic device to tell me things like that.'
Just like dozens of other apps that tell you that you haven't walked enough, have been looking at the screen too much, or whatever. Apps you have to elect to use.
What's your problem here? People shouldn't be allowed to choose to use a thing? That's pretty out of recent character!
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People can choose to use that app if they want, absolutely. It's when it starts to be taken advantage of by the authorities, which granted is not there yet, but it's possible.. Its a government backed app used by government agencies.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: People can choose to use that app if they want, absolutely. It's when it starts to be taken advantage of by the authorities, which granted is not there yet, but it's possible.. Its a government backed app used by government agencies.
So what, the only thing this shows is that you have too low influence over your government.
It shows nothing about the integrity of the government in question.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: I mean, for one, I'm a functioning human. I don't need an electronic device to tell me things like that.'
Many functioning humans, quite literally, Pay to have their electronic devices do this for them.
The one being advertised at the moment that makes me laugh / weep for humanity is the app that tells you how much your pet has walked today. In the ad the dog goes to the owner with its lead wanting a walk, she looks at the app and says "no dog, you've walked enough today."
queen_annes_revenge wrote: People can choose to use that app if they want, absolutely. It's when it starts to be taken advantage of by the authorities, which granted is not there yet, but it's possible.. Its a government backed app used by government agencies.
Being taken advantage of by the authorities is one of its explicit purposes. If using it was mandated, I'm with you, but it isn't (and couldn't be). I wouldn't download it. Problem solved!
Insofar as collecting spatial data from smartphones, I'm far more concerned about private developers selling it on with their ability to do so shrouded in metres-long conditions documents. Which they do relentlessly.
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One positive thing this has had on me is it gave me final push needed to try something new. Specifically oil painting. With lot more time at my hands figured another hobby besides miniatures would be nice.
It actually is also making me put price of miniatures in context...Oil painting isn't cheapest hobby out there either!
But I have had fun so far. Have made 1 practice piece, then the real one which will go to mother as mother's day present(https://i.imgur.com/n36PJk4.jpg) and now finished 3rd(https://i.imgur.com/n36PJk4.jpg). Dunno what to do with it. Give to dad?-) Plenty to practice still but at least I'm having fun with these.
Have any of you guys started new hobbies with the situation?
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It's an opt-in app with well publicised functions that will recieve heavy scrutiny. It's really not the stasi.
For now.
Did you read it? the app will 'let you know' when you've been outside too long...I mean, for one, I'm a functioning human. I don't need an electronic device to tell me things like that.'
Literally any state that prides itself in democratic and liberal values can NOT enforce it without getting massive public backlash just due to how they derive legitimacy in government.
So no, never. except of course you are speaking about iliberal democracies like Hungary.
Yes, in theory, but thats how they do it, gradually, bit by bit. get people used to something, then increase, rinse and repeat.
So we got used to apps tracking us without telling us, now we get used to apps tracking us when they do tel us, next we will get used to apps asking permission to track us! The horror!
Typical of him. For him only correct thing here is ignore whole corona. Just let it spread without anything because his freedom to do what he wants, including infecting others with his actions, is all that matters.
The risk is implied in going to the shop at all not whether whilst you were there you picked up a DVD or a naan bread.
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I get the logic - there's still people going out to "Oh I'll just grab a few stamps/quick can of paint/etc..." esp with supermarkets which sell a whole range of products, not just food.
I suspect its more about clamping down on those "little trips" rather than your big weekly shop where you happen to put a few DVD's into the bag.
Of course its a bit too late since by the time you're at the till heading home you've already done any damage/been exposed. There are also other, less invasive ways to control/influence without using the police and police time. Notices on the supermarket windows; shop staff refusing sale of select goods if bought only on their own; adverts on the TV/shopping advice etc..
There's means without making a policeman stand on the end of the shopping line.
This is a bit linked to a post corona world I suppose, but I just keep thinking, imagine if this virus was far more deadly and infectious, be it by air. Genuinely scary stuff, especially if there was a slow response which I’d argue nearly every country has had except those countries with recent history of similar illnesses like South Korea etc.
I also wonder how the response will be long term in regards to relations with China. There’s no doubt there was a cover up at first, and a slow response by them in their own country....
In terms of economic impact it could be absolutely huge globally if bitter infighting and punishment tariffs are utilised wholesale. It felt like we were close to a new war earlier in the year, we may be even closer now, or if not direct war, a new Cold War era could certainly be on the cards.
In reference to potential police measures, yeah, they probably won’t be all that effective, but if it stops just one person being an idiot then maybe it would be worth it?
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Overread wrote: I get the logic - there's still people going out to "Oh I'll just grab a few stamps/quick can of paint/etc..." esp with supermarkets which sell a whole range of products, not just food.
I suspect its more about clamping down on those "little trips" rather than your big weekly shop where you happen to put a few DVD's into the bag.
Of course its a bit too late since by the time you're at the till heading home you've already done any damage/been exposed. There are also other, less invasive ways to control/influence without using the police and police time. Notices on the supermarket windows; shop staff refusing sale of select goods if bought only on their own; adverts on the TV/shopping advice etc..
There's means without making a policeman stand on the end of the shopping line.
My mother works at a large Tesco that has an upstairs with all the entertainment, electronics etc. They simple closed the upstairs... It’s really not that hard to close an aisle. They could restrict loads of product sales if they wanted too... It would cause uproar but why keep the alcohol aisles open, why are cigarette counters still open?
In fact they don’t need to close the aisles, they just need to stop stocking those shelves, maybe stock them with even more essentials instead. It really should be just ultimate no frills currently in all shops.
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I wouldn't begrudge someone picking up a new movie, game or book if they are already doing a grocery shop. Not everyone has a pile of unpainted models to ward of the cabin fever But going to the shops specifically for something that's not food or essential is irresponsible.
tneva82 wrote: Typical of him. For him only correct thing here is ignore whole corona. Just let it spread without anything because his freedom to do what he wants, including infecting others with his actions, is all that matters.
Bore off with your straw men mate. I've been civil so far but I'm bored of them now. I get it, you're clearly OK with your police overreaching in Finland, cool. I'm not, so unless you're going to engage with something other than useless logical fallacies, maybe just don't bother?
The risk is implied in going to the shop at all not whether whilst you were there you picked up a DVD or a naan bread.
Haha yeah this guy is one of the worst culprits. Aparantly he used to work for greater Manchester aswell, which might explain their poor performance of late.
Overread wrote: I get the logic - there's still people going out to "Oh I'll just grab a few stamps/quick can of paint/etc..." esp with supermarkets which sell a whole range of products, not just food.
I suspect its more about clamping down on those "little trips" rather than your big weekly shop where you happen to put a few DVD's into the bag.
Of course its a bit too late since by the time you're at the till heading home you've already done any damage/been exposed. There are also other, less invasive ways to control/influence without using the police and police time. Notices on the supermarket windows; shop staff refusing sale of select goods if bought only on their own; adverts on the TV/shopping advice etc..
There's means without making a policeman stand on the end of the shopping line.
My mother works at a large Tesco that has an upstairs with all the entertainment, electronics etc. They simple closed the upstairs... It’s really not that hard to close an aisle. They could restrict loads of product sales if they wanted too... It would cause uproar but why keep the alcohol aisles open, why are cigarette counters still open?
In fact they don’t need to close the aisles, they just need to stop stocking those shelves, maybe stock them with even more essentials instead. It really should be just ultimate no frills currently in all shops.
Why? So people have nothing fun to do while they're stuck inside? What difference does it make what people buy? It really is no one else's business.
And no one is going to close alcohol or tobacco services, that would be idiotic. That's a huge swathe of their revenue gone like that.
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I can’t wait until this virus is over and done with. There’s one thing that’s really getting to me atm; my grandfather died in January, and it would have been his and my grandmothers 60th wedding anniversary a couple of weeks back. My dad asked me to paint them as a present for that, but the virus has cancelled everything, and my gran has yet to see the painting yet. And I’m really worried about her during all this too.
Maybe I could take the time out to continue working on it, provided that I jack in this stupid job. Originally they were squinting, but my dad asked me to paint in their eyes, which I did, but I’m not sure I’ve done such a good job: https://i.imgur.com/OLbrdV0.jpg
Well the courts have handed down the first sentences for those using threats/attempts to infect others with corona virus,
6 months & 8 months for the lovely chaps that threated to infect police who were are attempting to arrest them, and 1 year for the Man (edit: I initially said woman but either I misheard or later reports corrected it) with a suspected infection who deliberately blew on 2 nurses
hopefully the swift response means we see fewer idiots trying to exploit this
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And you guessed right too! It was supposed to be oil but on the advice of the art shop, I went with acrylic instead. Speaking of which, I hope they’re doing ok too. I’ve been going to that shop since I was a kid.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Well the courts have handed down the first sentences for those using threats/attempts to infect others with corona virus,
6 months & 8 months for the lovely chaps that threated to infect police who were are attempting to arrest them, and 1 year for the woman with a suspected infection who deliberately blew on 2 nurses
hopefully the swift response means we see fewer idiots trying to exploit this
And you guessed right too! It was supposed to be oil but on the advice of the art shop, I went with acrylic instead. Speaking of which, I hope they’re doing ok too. I’ve been going to that shop since I was a kid.
Oils are a more difficult medium to work with. I've never done an oil canvas, but since I started using them on minis I think I could probably have a go.
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OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Well the courts have handed down the first sentences for those using threats/attempts to infect others with corona virus,
6 months & 8 months for the lovely chaps that threated to infect police who were are attempting to arrest them, and 1 year for the woman with a suspected infection who deliberately blew on 2 nurses
hopefully the swift response means we see fewer idiots trying to exploit this
Rightly so.
Ours Chuckleheads are getting charged with Terrorist (insert charge type) and whatever else fit.
Like the Nutjoob that spit/sneeze on 35K worth of food. Same type of charge with a guy that did the same in Walmart..
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The worst effect of this virus is the paranoid hate.
Yes there are deaths.
Yes there are going to be empty streets when this is over.
Yes the countries economy is done for.
But this thread alone is proving the divide, paranoia and hate in communities.
Yes that's always been common on dakka.
But outside of dakka...
ValentineGames wrote: The worst effect of this virus is the paranoid hate.
Yes there are deaths.
Yes there are going to be empty streets when this is over.
Yes the countries economy is done for.
But this thread alone is proving the divide, paranoia and hate in communities.
Yes that's always been common on dakka.
But outside of dakka...
The the worst effect of the virus are the people it kills.
Political correctness is a different sickness. Don't succumb to it by looking for 'haters' with inquisitorial zeal.
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In other news, A particular religious group that likes to go door to door to "attract new members" sent me a letter. Hurrah for social distancing I guess. I do think it's super weird that they decided to send me a letter. Hopefully they don't send anymore.
The gibberish in the letter said something to the effect of "will the suffering ever end".
I'd send a reply but I don't want to encourage any more unsolicited communication.
Also I can't not think about Pinhead from Hell raiser when thinking of a reply.
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Just saw a video by Dr. Ezek Emanuel saying that a 12 to 18 month lock-down is the time table we should be looking at. I dont disagree with the strategy working the way he says it would. Basically don't leave your house until we have a vaccine in 18 month...Yeah that would be the least possible deaths. What I disagree with is even the notion that locking down the public for 12 months to a year should even be entertained. In the long run a 12-18 month international lockdown kills more people than you'd save from Covid deaths. International famine from food shortages due to lost production / inevitable conflicts arising from such things / suicides from social depression.
Any sort lockdown short of that isn't going to save many lives at all and without vaccine the numbers will look the same. Eventually nearly everyone will be exposed to the virus. So I think the initial 1 month lockdown to give health services a chance to catch up on required materials and learn how to treat the patient was good. Now It is time now to get back to work. 12 - 18 lockdown is so absurd. Clearly that is not happening.
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