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 Alpharius wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Rydria wrote:
Why does the primeris chaplain have a chaos rod of torment like Fabius bile ?

Hush now. Don't overthink the Adeptus Restartes.

Stop trying to make 'Adeptus Resartes' happen - much like 'fetch'...it's not going to happen!

Ya know as a mod if you have access to a certain forum admin function, you could add "Adeptus Restartes" to replace to "Primaris, my favorite models".....

I also quite like the chaplain. I'm not too sure what to do with him, though he'd work fairly well with aggressors. I play imperial fists so I could have them occupy a bit of terrain somewhere with the warlord trait that (effectively) ignores -1 ap. They'd benefit a lot from rerolls to hit in combat.

MongooseMatt wrote:
Don't think anyone has posted this...

The two new Primaris characters (Chaplain and Apothecary) are £22.50 each.

The Repulsor is £50.

Thanks for the prices, Matt!

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
An interesting nugget someone noticed via att.

"If anyone's interested, the armies that are mentioned in the First Strike starter set (beyond marines and death guard) are the Astra Militarum, AdMech, Knights, Craftworlds, Drukhari, Orks, Necrons, Tyranids (and Gene Cult) and Tau. So that gives, I think, some indication of the next Codexes GW has on deck, besides Grey Knights, Chaos Space Marines and Death Guard."

Cheers!

"Drukhari"

Who?

The host of an american comedy TV show.
"Welcome to GW, where the names are made up and the game's history doesn't matter."

Nah it's a cool name, after all "Dark Eldar" sounds incredibly silly if you don't have the history. I love the Craftworld equivalent, Asuryani. Together with Ynnari they form a nice triad.

I just found the italian version of Codex SM is 128 pages but the english one is 208 pages. Do you know what is missing? Does it happened also on other languages?

Some of the italian and spanish books have been released only as a cut version for a while. They contain the full rules but not the entire fluff section from what I read online. They cost less, 32,50 EUR instead of 40,- EUR. Not sure if they are still hardcovers

I would have prefered a softcover version but complete.

Thats understandable I guess it is because of the expensive translations. But I havent seen the new italian C: SM and could be wrong. Maybe they changed the format, cut pictures and artwork to get less pages.

Nop, they just removed 80 pages of fluff...

Alpharius wrote:RULE #2 is STAY ON TOPIC.

The Topic here is "Space Marines - Upcoming Releases".

Kanluwen wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
RULE #2 is STAY ON TOPIC.

The Topic here is "Space Marines - Upcoming Releases".

I made a thread(complete with a poll!) for the off-topic discussion about Guard.

Ok...so I'm a little behind on the fluff

Why can't a normal Space Marine critically wounded in battle pilot a Primaris Dreadnought.

It's bodily remains - even if it's just a brain isn't it....

Size isn't important (she said)

Warhams-77 wrote:

MongooseMatt wrote:
Don't think anyone has posted this...

The two new Primaris characters (Chaplain and Apothecary) are £22.50 each.

The Repulsor is £50.

Thanks for the prices, Matt!

Characters are the same $35USD as the others.

Repulsor is $80USD.

At least going off of the price bands.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Re: the chaplain, personally I think it's a pretty cool look for the staff- if I were getting back into 40k these days, the only thing stopping me from doing primaris/truscale is those alarming prices...

re: IG, with modern modular kits, they could easily do combo kits, mostly with new heads, or GSC/DW upgrade sprues:

-light infantry (catachan + tanith (capes, knives))
-standard (cadian, mordian+ praetorians (heads, shoulders), tallarn (heads with clever neck joins; knives))
-greatcoats (valhallans, steel legion (maybe need different torso), vostroyans)

Would they be perfect duplicates of the variety of each getting their own kit? No. Could they increase the functional IG line from 2 to 9 variants in as few as 9 kits? Yes.

I think whenever they redo IG, GW is more inclined to come up with something of a more unified look. With some fluff that under Guilliman the IG are now being more consistently equipped and organized.

Gerinako wrote:
Ok...so I'm a little behind on the fluff

Why can't a normal Space Marine critically wounded in battle pilot a Primaris Dreadnought.

It's bodily remains - even if it's just a brain isn't it....

Size isn't important (she said)

The fluff mentions something to the effect of the strain of piloting a Redemptor eventually causes the occupant in the sarcophagus to 'burn out' and states that the Mechanicum are pretty indifferent about this, viewing the pilot as another 'component' in need of regular replacement.

I would imagine since Primaris are supposed to be all-around tougher than traditional Astartes the strain would be much too great for them.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:

MongooseMatt wrote:
Don't think anyone has posted this...

The two new Primaris characters (Chaplain and Apothecary) are £22.50 each.

The Repulsor is £50.

Thanks for the prices, Matt!

Characters are the same $35USD as the others.

Repulsor is $80USD.

At least going off of the price bands.

And if there aren't any surprises it should be 30 (Primaris characters) and 65 (Stormraven) EUR

 Kawauso wrote:
The fluff mentions something to the effect of the strain of piloting a Redemptor eventually causes the occupant in the sarcophagus to 'burn out' and states that the Mechanicum are pretty indifferent about this, viewing the pilot as another 'component' in need of regular replacement.

I would imagine since Primaris are supposed to be all-around tougher than traditional Astartes the strain would be much too great for them.

Maybe I'm reading tea leaves here but your post (I wasn't aware of the fluff for the Redemptor) made me connect some dots that I haven't seen connected. Perhaps this isn't just bad ZOMG! crank it up to 11! writing/sculpting by GW but a concerted effort to show the sea change in primaris restartes (it'll happen just like fetch!... eventually) thinking towards their role in the imperium. In Master of Mankind, the Emperor showed that he really didn't care about his primarch "sons" beyond their utility in fulfilling his grand design for humanity and from reviews here Guilleman finds out the same about himself and space marines in his communion with the emperor prior to 8th edition (I don't know if that was in the prerelease buildup or the dark imperium novel). We now have apothecaries leaning on dead brother marines like they were a handy step stool and apparently previously honored heroes in redemptor dreadnoughts being burnt out and replaced like light bulbs. Perhaps this is the new ideology of RG and the primaris? Or perhaps I'm just giving GW too much credit...

 Kawauso wrote:

Gerinako wrote:
Ok...so I'm a little behind on the fluff

Why can't a normal Space Marine critically wounded in battle pilot a Primaris Dreadnought.

It's bodily remains - even if it's just a brain isn't it....

Size isn't important (she said)

The fluff mentions something to the effect of the strain of piloting a Redemptor eventually causes the occupant in the sarcophagus to 'burn out' and states that the Mechanicum are pretty indifferent about this, viewing the pilot as another 'component' in need of regular replacement.

I would imagine since Primaris are supposed to be all-around tougher than traditional Astartes the strain would be much too great for them.

Which doesn't make much sense (as per usual with the forced and amateur Primaris fluff) considering that Contemptor and Leviathan Dreadnoughts are tougher than Redemptors

 Kirasu wrote:

 Kawauso wrote:

Gerinako wrote:
Ok...so I'm a little behind on the fluff

Why can't a normal Space Marine critically wounded in battle pilot a Primaris Dreadnought.

It's bodily remains - even if it's just a brain isn't it....

Size isn't important (she said)

The fluff mentions something to the effect of the strain of piloting a Redemptor eventually causes the occupant in the sarcophagus to 'burn out' and states that the Mechanicum are pretty indifferent about this, viewing the pilot as another 'component' in need of regular replacement.

I would imagine since Primaris are supposed to be all-around tougher than traditional Astartes the strain would be much too great for them.

Which doesn't make much sense (as per usual with the forced and amateur Primaris fluff) considering that Contemptor and Leviathan Dreadnoughts are tougher than Redemptors

Unless the primarus upgrade involves some kinda neural something something in addition to some how becoming tougher then maybe.

but it honestly makes no sense.

To be fair though a contempor is a relic of the HH. and everything was better in the HH.

Simple: Cawl doesn't care about his Primaris marines, so skimped on life support to make the Redemptor more mass producible, didn't include a force field generator despite this being entirely standard for larger dread models... Didn't even make it robust enough to qualify as T8 despite it's massive size. (This also might be why it's far less flexible in armament: Less parts to customise and ship). Gulliman also doesn't particularly value the primaris, apparently seeing them as "Cawl's abominations" and favouring regular marines over them except as a tool, so he makes no move to fix a dread that treats them as disposable parts.

The primaris themselves pick up on this callous approach, which is why the apothecary is carelessly treading on his battle brother without the faintest hint of respect despite supposedly being a medic.

And so instead of getting an honoured ancient who develops 2+ skill stats and is interred in a priceless relic, we have a primaris carelessly scooped up and poured into a much more mass producible walker that slowly kills him.

Girlyman hates the Primarus marines? That's kinda sad actually...poor guys.

Also is that apothecary a primarus? I assume they are?

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Girlyman hates the Primarus marines? That's kinda sad actually...poor guys.

Also is that apothecary a primarus? I assume they are?

That new one is

im just assuming he was standing on top of him to forcibly break open the solid rib cage and remove his jean seed. personally i might take that hand off and give him a CC weapon. use that hand holding a seed on another apothecary model.

OOOO also cant wait to see options. im hoping the new apothocary has alt heads.

I would imagine he'll be like the librarian and have the option of helmet or no helmet.

 Desubot wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 Kawauso wrote:

Gerinako wrote:
Ok...so I'm a little behind on the fluff

Why can't a normal Space Marine critically wounded in battle pilot a Primaris Dreadnought.

It's bodily remains - even if it's just a brain isn't it....

Size isn't important (she said)

The fluff mentions something to the effect of the strain of piloting a Redemptor eventually causes the occupant in the sarcophagus to 'burn out' and states that the Mechanicum are pretty indifferent about this, viewing the pilot as another 'component' in need of regular replacement.

I would imagine since Primaris are supposed to be all-around tougher than traditional Astartes the strain would be much too great for them.

Which doesn't make much sense (as per usual with the forced and amateur Primaris fluff) considering that Contemptor and Leviathan Dreadnoughts are tougher than Redemptors

Unless the primarus upgrade involves some kinda neural something something in addition to some how becoming tougher then maybe.

but it honestly makes no sense.

To be fair though a contempor is a relic of the HH. and everything was better in the HH.

Cawl was able to rewrite Astartes DNA and fix flaws that not even the Emperor or Primarchs could do. I'm sure he could make a better than HH Dreadnought. He did spend TEN THOUSAND YEARS!

changemod wrote:
Gulliman also doesn't particularly value the primaris, apparently seeing them as "Cawl's abominations" and favouring regular marines over them except as a tool, so he makes no move to fix a dread that treats them as disposable parts.

If you-re going to post headcanon, please mark it a s such. Confusion is the weapon of the Great Enemy.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Girlyman hates the Primarus marines? That's kinda sad actually...poor guys.

Also is that apothecary a primarus? I assume they are?

actually he doesn't hate them, Gulliman makes a internal referance to "Cawl's abominations" and people immediatly assume he's referancing Primaris Marines. even though this was a thought that IIRC he had following the meeting with Cawl Inferior, something he definatly did not like, so it's likely he's refering to things like that.

truthfully I'd not be suprised if when the admech codex comes out we see some "Cawl tech" from them.


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 Mymearan wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
you're wrong they do have purity seals, but they do tend to have less ostentation. if you look at a Primaris Marine the only ornmentation he's likely to have is a purity seal somewhere, as opposed to a tatical marine whom might have a buncha skulls etc

They said on WHTV that they wanted to start the new Primaris range off with less ornamentation to get a good base to work up from. So don't expect that trend to continue, they'll get their bling.

never said they'd remain blingless for long, just that even now they DO have purity seals. the offical explination for them being light on bling right now is they're so new they haven't had time to collect bling (makes sense, primaris Marines have only been on active duty for a centujry) give em some time and they'll collect bling. it's worth noting that helmets and shoulders, something interchangeable, are a major source of SM bling.

 Kirasu wrote:


Cawl was able to rewrite Astartes DNA and fix flaws that not even the Emperor or Primarchs could do. I'm sure he could make a better than HH Dreadnought. He did spend TEN THOUSAND YEARS!

Cawl's entire fluff presence is an abomination. He apparently can do something the Emperor, Primarchs or Fabius Bile couldn't do...and he's not even trained in it. Like, not one jot. He's a bloody tech priest.

 Kirasu wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 Kawauso wrote:

Gerinako wrote:
Ok...so I'm a little behind on the fluff

Why can't a normal Space Marine critically wounded in battle pilot a Primaris Dreadnought.

It's bodily remains - even if it's just a brain isn't it....

Size isn't important (she said)

The fluff mentions something to the effect of the strain of piloting a Redemptor eventually causes the occupant in the sarcophagus to 'burn out' and states that the Mechanicum are pretty indifferent about this, viewing the pilot as another 'component' in need of regular replacement.

I would imagine since Primaris are supposed to be all-around tougher than traditional Astartes the strain would be much too great for them.

Which doesn't make much sense (as per usual with the forced and amateur Primaris fluff) considering that Contemptor and Leviathan Dreadnoughts are tougher than Redemptors

Unless the primarus upgrade involves some kinda neural something something in addition to some how becoming tougher then maybe.

but it honestly makes no sense.

To be fair though a contempor is a relic of the HH. and everything was better in the HH.

Cawl was able to rewrite Astartes DNA and fix flaws that not even the Emperor or Primarchs could do. I'm sure he could make a better than HH Dreadnought. He did spend TEN THOUSAND YEARS!

BANZAI!!!



Also, as noted, I think Guilliman rather likes the Primaris Marines, and sees the writing on the wall for the 'Regular' Marines.

Now, that still might mean years down the road for them, but it is coming...


...eventually!

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Cawl's entire fluff presence is an abomination. He apparently can do something the Emperor, Primarchs or Fabius Bile couldn't do...and he's not even trained in it. Like, not one jot. He's a bloody tech priest.

A tech priest is vastly more qualified to work on geneseed than either a primarch or an apothecary. That only leaves the Emperor and, as far as I know, no source have ever claimed the Emperor failed in making his Astartes design better. He merely chose the one that suited his needs at the time.

As an aside, at least one of Cawl's improvements is a direct copy of Emperor's design.

I see only two ways to run the Redemoptor Competitively:

(1) as a Dark Angel standing next to Azrael for a 4++. This way is very good since it doubles their effective survivability against their primary threats. This way also lets you move up the field with them next to Azrael.

(2) as a Ravenguard somehow stuffed into cover and shooting from the back for that sweet sweet -1 to hit.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

changemod wrote:
Gulliman also doesn't particularly value the primaris, apparently seeing them as "Cawl's abominations" and favouring regular marines over them except as a tool, so he makes no move to fix a dread that treats them as disposable parts.

If you-re going to post headcanon, please mark it a s such. Confusion is the weapon of the Great Enemy.

I will if I ever do, no need to throw around aimless accusations.