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gungo wrote:
I'm sorry if this has been asked or detailed already but I haven't seen it.
Is there a detachment restriction on the number of chapter tactics you can field in a detachment or army? For i stance can i field white scar bikers and salamander devastators in the same detachment?
Is there any similar restrictions on chapter specific relics or warlord traits or strategems?

To get chapter tactics, you must have only one chapter in your army, and the detachments that benefit from it must contain only space marines.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:


Is the Spartan "insane"? The Crusader? There are plenty of high-capacity transports out there and letting Marines ride in one more would hardly break the game, and I expect most people would be happy with Crusader-level Normie Marine capacity even if it "should" carry more.

A spartan is 500 points and a LoW slot.

Yes, and, so, well? First, you didn't actually bring points into things, you just flat-out stated the idea of high-capacity transports for Marines were "insane" - if you want people to respond to your whole argument, make the whole argument - and second, I can't be sure, but it almost seems like there's part of my post you seem to have missed there, I can't quite make it out...

As for points - OK? I mean, given it's already a transport you'd think the cost of it being a transport would be factored in, but nobody's asking for it to be unbalanced just vaguely coherent so if it required an increase(based on that wierd bit of my post that I assume must be invisible I don't actually think it would with a more modest capacity for Oldmarines than 20, but hey ho) I expect most folk would rather pay a few extra points for a vehicle that's of some use to them than have it be a vehicle they can't use in that way at all.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
You guys know damn well if Primaris Marines could fit in regular vehicles you'd all be proclaiming that the regular Marines would be phased out and that would be your proof.

I'm just going to reiterate this.

You're going to reiterate your fanfic of what arguments we would be making but nobody actually has yet? Whatever floats your boat.

 insaniak wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Is there a balance issue that they are considering with the transport elements?

So for instance it makes little sense that marines from different Chapters or Sisters for different Orders are not able to get into each others transports. However for game balance its likely needed

Is the Repulsor the same?

Honestly, I think it's just because the marketing brief for Primaris Marines was originally written by someone's 8-year-old.

"Yeah, these new Primaris Marines, they're just like normal Marines except that they're bigger and have cooler armour and new organs that makes them tougher and lets them pee acid and sing the national anthem in tune and stuff, and they have boltguns that are bigger than normal boltguns and can be swapped for other bigger boltguns that shoot different special bolts, and some of them have plasma guns that are bigger than normal plasma guns and can be switched to even bigger, bigger plasma guns with cables and stuff, and they have a tank that is like a land raider but with more guns and it has super-special bigger guns and it flies! And only Primaris Marines can go in it, and if anyone else goes too close to it their butts explode or something."


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 Kirasu wrote:

I gotta wonder what kind of head injury Guilliman suffered to think that his new marines shouldn't use drop pods or standard line transports.

"...and, and, when they're not dropping from orbit in their super-awesome big flying tank, Primaris Marines don't even need drop pods because they can just jump out of spaceships on their own and use their jetpacks that are better than normal jetpacks to fly around shooting stuff with their super bolt pistols that are like heavy bolters but are pistols!"

Genuinely lol'd at that, nice one.

 Rayvon wrote:
I dont think it was a business decision at all, just a poor decision that has some poor reasoning behind it that we are not yet aware of.

As previously mentioned several times, Normal marines would be allowed to board it if they only wanted to sell as many as possible.

That depends on what kind of business the decision is intended to promote. If you want to sell the maximum number of tanks, sure, but if your goal is to sell the maximum number of Primaris then this is exactly the kind of boneheaded move that GW have made in the past - if only Primaris can ride in the new tank, that A; gives them an excuse to prevent Primaris riding in the old tanks, because they "need" their own vehicle, and B; in their minds encourages people to collect a whole army of Primaris rather than just pick up one tank for their existing army.

 insaniak wrote:
That's the best wizard GW have released in years.


As a Chaplain? Not so much.

Yup. Interregator-Chaplain? Maybe. Basis for a Star Phantoms Librarian? Nice. But I'm not a huge fan of the Pimplord Skeletor look for a normal Chaplain either. One of those models that's nice taken in isolation, but just doesn't "fit" for its intended purpose, to my eye at least.

With how open they have been recently we have a pretty good picture of which codex books should be next

There are two or three weeks of SM preorders left, next Saturday it will be

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/23/faith-fury-and-firepower-space-marines-preview-july23gw-homepage-post-1/

and the SM infantry kits should be on the following Saturdays. Codex Grey Knights and CSM are confirmed to be next. They could even be on the same weekends as some of the SM infantry kits. The fourth codex will be for Death Guard. With a full range of new miniatures. Most likely 2-3 weeks of preorders.

This teaser makes it quite obvious which books are following after Codex: Death Guard

Finally, if you don’t have a Space Marines army, don’t worry – it really won’t be long before you have a codex of your own. We’re committed to supporting all of Warhammer 40,000’s major factions with codexes. You may be envious of Space Marines and their Chapter Tactics and Stratagems now but just think: soon you’ll have your own tricks and ploys to play, and unique rules for your Traitor Legion, Astra Militarum Regiment or Forge World of choice.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/22/the-other-angels-of-death-and-codex-space-marines/

Astra Militarum and Adeptus Mechanicus. Then we are left with four books until Christmas.

Warhams-77 wrote:
With how open they have been recently we have a pretty good picture of which codex books should be next

There are two or three weeks of SM preorders left, next Saturday it will be

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/23/faith-fury-and-firepower-space-marines-preview-july23gw-homepage-post-1/

and the SM infantry kits should be on the following Saturdays. Codex Grey Knights and CSM are confirmed to be next. They could even be on the same weekends as some of the SM infantry kits. The fourth codex will be for Death Guard. With a full range of new miniatures. Most likely 2-3 weeks of preorders.

This teaser makes it quite obvious which books are following after Codex: Death Guard

Finally, if you don’t have a Space Marines army, don’t worry – it really won’t be long before you have a codex of your own. We’re committed to supporting all of Warhammer 40,000’s major factions with codexes. You may be envious of Space Marines and their Chapter Tactics and Stratagems now but just think: soon you’ll have your own tricks and ploys to play, and unique rules for your Traitor Legion, Astra Militarum Regiment or Forge World of choice.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/22/the-other-angels-of-death-and-codex-space-marines/

Astra Militarum and Adeptus Mechanicus. Then we are left with four books until Christmas.

I see. So that would be Index Imperium 1, Index Chaos, Index Imperium 2 represented. That just leaves Index Xenos 1 and 2, and we'll probably see 2 armies from each of those.
Its likely that they will try to pair factions together, so I'm guess we'll see 2 eldar factions and Nids + Cults.

Well Imperium 1 probably won't be finished until next year. I don't see Dark Angels or Blood Angels out this year, seeing as I predict those books will come out as a pretense for more primaris units after some market research to see what should be made or what is being demanded (Chapter upgrade sprue, CCW units, etc). They have already told DA/BA players to go ahead and use the CSM updated rules for similar units, so they can hold out.

This the second time GW mentions most major factions will be among the first ten codices, so will Eldar, Tyranids and Orks be before Christmas? It was posted a few times on the last pages that GW ruled out xenos factions among these but I haven't seen them saying so. Someone pease post a quote, I may have missed it.

Why does the primeris chaplain have a chaos rod of torment like Fabius bile ?

Wait, the guard are going to be released soon? And here's me thinking that it would take ages to get them out!

And...I like the new Chaplain. A lot.

Warhams-77 wrote:
With how open they have been recently we have a pretty good picture of which codex books should be next

There are two or three weeks of SM preorders left, next Saturday it will be

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/23/faith-fury-and-firepower-space-marines-preview-july23gw-homepage-post-1/

and the SM infantry kits should be on the following Saturdays. Codex Grey Knights and CSM are confirmed to be next. They could even be on the same weekends as some of the SM infantry kits. The fourth codex will be for Death Guard. With a full range of new miniatures. Most likely 2-3 weeks of preorders.

This teaser makes it quite obvious which books are following after Codex: Death Guard

Finally, if you don’t have a Space Marines army, don’t worry – it really won’t be long before you have a codex of your own. We’re committed to supporting all of Warhammer 40,000’s major factions with codexes. You may be envious of Space Marines and their Chapter Tactics and Stratagems now but just think: soon you’ll have your own tricks and ploys to play, and unique rules for your Traitor Legion, Astra Militarum Regiment or Forge World of choice.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/22/the-other-angels-of-death-and-codex-space-marines/

Astra Militarum and Adeptus Mechanicus. Then we are left with four books until Christmas.

Without thinking too in-depth about it, i expect they'll close the quarter with some no-model codex releases. Giving them time to manufacture and distribute new models for the death guard release which will follow the same release template as the marine and kharadron releases and give them a strong Q4 which will then likely be closed out with another couple of no-model codex releases.

I think we'll see a major group of releases every quarter until 2019, but im sure not all of these will be 40k.

In that case I hope they hold back on the IG. Their infantry kits need updating, and I sincerely hope they do give them some love in that regard.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
In that case I hope they hold back on the IG. Their infantry kits need updating, and I sincerely hope they do give them some love in that regard.

I think Cadians are alright, Catachans could do with new basic infantry box. Id like to see something new however

A huge part of me wants the next codex TBA to be death guard with Morty.

I hope it is, but if it isnt, oh wells, more time to get the Death guard painted

Sharazad87 wrote:
A huge part of me wants the next codex TBA to be death guard with Morty.

I hope it is, but if it isnt, oh wells, more time to get the Death guard painted

We already know that the 3rd codex is going to be Death Guard, so you won't have to wait long. There is an extremely high chance Mortarion will be making an appearance.

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
In that case I hope they hold back on the IG. Their infantry kits need updating, and I sincerely hope they do give them some love in that regard.

I think Cadians are alright, Catachans could do with new basic infantry box. Id like to see something new however

I don't.
If we see a new infantry type for Guard, it means there will be new weapons added in that will be exclusive to that box and likely the units themselves will be named in a specific manner.

I'd rather see a retooled Catachan and Cadian basic and heavy weapons kit(the Command Squad boxes are relatively new in comparison) and some more FW stuff brought over into plastic like the Valkyrie and Russ variants.
Rapier Gun Carriages, Sabre Defense Platforms, Tarantula Sentry Guns are all good choices of things that can be brought into the book without necessitating a brand new infantry unit added in--and given that Sabres are effectively gone and the Tarantulas are old as hell, it doesn't step too much on FW's toes. The Rapier only has one variant available for Guard from FW(the Laser Destroyer with Cadian operators, the other variants are Solar Auxilia and Marines for 30k), so could be put into plastic production with relatively little crossover. Could be a way to bring some new and interesting variants in as well(a twin-autocannon Rapier, twin-mortars, a Griffon mortar on a Rapier, etc).

But this is all wishlisting and thus off topic, which is Space Marines and their upcoming releases.

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
In that case I hope they hold back on the IG. Their infantry kits need updating, and I sincerely hope they do give them some love in that regard.

I think Cadians are alright, Catachans could do with new basic infantry box. Id like to see something new however

Cadians are not alright. They do not even look human.

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
In that case I hope they hold back on the IG. Their infantry kits need updating, and I sincerely hope they do give them some love in that regard.

I think Cadians are alright, Catachans could do with new basic infantry box. Id like to see something new however

Cadians and Catachans need new basic infantry for sure. But I was thinking, you know the way space marines have dozens of different types of units but they all wear the same armour, so you have assault terminators and ordinary terminators and interceptors and intercessors and aggressors and tacticals and devastators and so on and so forth? GW has no problem maintaining all those kits (although I think the older type marines will gradually fade into the background as the new ones take over).

Well the IG would be the opposite. Think about it, half a dozen different uniformed models all arranged into one unit type rather than one uniformed type model arranged into half a dozen different unit types. Why is too hard for gw to do plastic kits for all the existing non forge world IG regiments? I worked out that if they did an infantry, command and heavy weapon set for each regiment, they'd need 21 kits. Surely that's roughly equal to what the marines get overall? With a slight recut to the vehicle kits to give the crews the right uniform?

You could do it if you really wanted to GW and you know it.

Kdash wrote:

Sharazad87 wrote:
A huge part of me wants the next codex TBA to be death guard with Morty.

I hope it is, but if it isnt, oh wells, more time to get the Death guard painted

We already know that the 3rd codex is going to be Death Guard, so you won't have to wait long. There is an extremely high chance Mortarion will be making an appearance.

According to this

Codex: Space Marines will be swiftly followed by the Grey Knights and Chaos Space Marines with Death Guard not far behind.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/05/your-codex-is-coming-july-5gw-homepage-post-1/

Death Guard are the fourth book

Don't think anyone has posted this...

The two new Primaris characters (Chaplain and Apothecary) are £22.50 each.

The Repulsor is £50.

 Rydria wrote:
Why does the primeris chaplain have a chaos rod of torment like Fabius bile ?

Because he is a necromancer. Robed, and raising his skull wand, with the wheel of pain circling his head with pure force of his blasphemous powers.



That quote about not worrying about future releases is a bit tone deaf and annoying. There are still xenos in this game, and they need a lot more work than the hordes of marines, spiky, shiny, or not. Or their auxiliaries.

Warhams-77 wrote:

Kdash wrote:

Sharazad87 wrote:
A huge part of me wants the next codex TBA to be death guard with Morty.

I hope it is, but if it isnt, oh wells, more time to get the Death guard painted

We already know that the 3rd codex is going to be Death Guard, so you won't have to wait long. There is an extremely high chance Mortarion will be making an appearance.

According to this

Codex: Space Marines will be swiftly followed by the Grey Knights and Chaos Space Marines with Death Guard not far behind.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/05/your-codex-is-coming-july-5gw-homepage-post-1/

Death Guard are the fourth book

They should've been the 7th!

 Rydria wrote:
Why does the primeris chaplain have a chaos rod of torment like Fabius bile ?

The Pimp Stick of Purity.

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
In that case I hope they hold back on the IG. Their infantry kits need updating, and I sincerely hope they do give them some love in that regard.

I think Cadians are alright, Catachans could do with new basic infantry box. Id like to see something new however

Cadians and Catachans need new basic infantry for sure. But I was thinking, you know the way space marines have dozens of different types of units but they all wear the same armour, so you have assault terminators and ordinary terminators and interceptors and intercessors and aggressors and tacticals and devastators and so on and so forth? GW has no problem maintaining all those kits (although I think the older type marines will gradually fade into the background as the new ones take over).

Yeah, and "all those kits" even before the Primaris were able to be fielded by four different armies.
Assaults, Tacticals, Devastators, Command Squad, and Scouts were able to be fielded by everyone. Tacticals were the only one that really could be "skipped" by two of the non-Codex books, as they had their own equivalents(Blood Angels Tactical Squad and Space Wolves Wolf Pack boxes). There are a few more boxes that are currently "exclusive" to Space Wolves(Long Fangs and Skyclaws), which are just repacks of the old boxes with the Space Wolves frames.

Then of course you have vehicles which were, depending upon the vehicle in question, used in something like 1 to 8 armies(Rhinos are in Marines, DA, BA, SW, Deathwatch, GK, Sisters of Silence for example--that's one kit in seven armies). Now those vehicles are all available to basically anything Power Armored via the Index.

Well the IG would be the opposite. Think about it, half a dozen different uniformed models all arranged into one unit type rather than one uniformed type model arranged into half a dozen different unit types. Why is too hard for gw to do plastic kits for all the existing non forge world IG regiments? I worked out that if they did an infantry, command and heavy weapon set for each regiment, they'd need 21 kits. Surely that's roughly equal to what the marines get overall? With a slight recut to the vehicle kits to give the crews the right uniform?

Marines, putting it bluntly, have a lot of shared components that make their kits work. It's why we got the "Upgrade Sprue" blisters last year rather than dedicated boxes for Dark Angels Tacticals or things like that.

Who's to say any of those non-FW IG regiments would actually sell? Even in their heyday, I didn't see many Mordians or Tallarn. I saw Cadians, Catachans, and the occasional Tanith or Vostroyan(after the Fall of Medusa campaign and their release of course). Sometimes you'll see a Valhallan player who painted his army with sickles/hammers to be edgy.

You're talking about, for IG:
Mordian Infantry, Heavy Weapons, Command Squad
Tallarn Infantry, Heavy Weapons, Command Squad
Cadian Infantry, Heavy Weapons, Command Squad
Catachan Infantry, Heavy Weapons, Command Squad
Tanith Infantry, Heavy Weapons, Command Squad
Vostroyan Infantry, Heavy Weapons, Command Squad
Valhallan Infantry, Heavy Weapons, Command Squad

Just so we have that all written down and shown visually, I want you to stop and think about this:
What gets cut so that these boxes can have shelf space? Catachans, once the Scions came out, became a Direct Only item and only saw their Defense Force box in stores for a limited time.

So how do you make the logistical side of things work? Marines, even with things folded in pretty heavily, still take up a hefty chunk of space just bringing in enough stock to cover the fact that you're looking at a large number of armies pulling from those items.

You could do it if you really wanted to GW and you know it.

But could shops handle it?


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Voss wrote:

That quote about not worrying about future releases is a bit tone deaf and annoying. There are still xenos in this game, and they need a lot more work than the hordes of marines, spiky, shiny, or not. Or their auxiliaries.

They said that they have 10 codices ready to go, with them being out by Christmas.
The first four are tied to the "Fate of Konor" campaign that starts this week.

The goal, seemingly, is to have one book from each faction available by Christmas. We're seeing Grey Knights and Death Guard seemingly to showcase how the "subcodex" idea is going to work from the Index.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
In that case I hope they hold back on the IG. Their infantry kits need updating, and I sincerely hope they do give them some love in that regard.

I think Cadians are alright, Catachans could do with new basic infantry box. Id like to see something new however

Cadians are not alright. They do not even look human.

Cadians do look terrible, but they're also a really boring design imho. Updating the Cadian kits would be a wasted opportunity to do something far more interesting with the Guard.

RULE #2 is STAY ON TOPIC.

The Topic here is "Space Marines - Upcoming Releases".

 Alpharius wrote:
RULE #2 is STAY ON TOPIC.

The Topic here is "Space Marines - Upcoming Releases".

I made a thread(complete with a poll!) for the off-topic discussion about Guard.

I don't mind the cadians, catchatans really need an update. They can still be ramboish, but make the arms look human.

I'd love to see all of the different guard regiments get their own plastics, but that would be a pretty huge investment. At the minimum I guess you would need 5 sprues per? Just based on cadians I think it was 2 for basic infantry with bodies on 1 and weapons on the other. Then you need a command squad with 5 bodies on 1 and weapons on the other. Then a heavy weapon team sprue. Then multiply that by like 7 or 8 or however many it is, and it starts to add up real fast.

They can get away with all of the different space marine chapters, because they're space marines.. I dunno if they'd sell enough IG's to justify that. Might be cool though if they tried to maybe plasticify one regiment per year or something.

That said, these new marines are getting harder and harder to resist :( they look great. I'm scared if I start buying em, they'll become another half done project I never get back to. Just don't have the kinda time I used to...

 Rydria wrote:
Why does the primeris chaplain have a chaos rod of torment like Fabius bile ?

Hush now. Don't overthink the Adeptus Restartes.

In all seriousness, I'd be ok with the chaplain if it wasn't for his cheerleading baton/pimp stick. I've played Dark Angels and am fine with the more monastic motif for the chaplain but I do see the basis for the skeletor jokes though.

 warboss wrote:

 Rydria wrote:
Why does the primeris chaplain have a chaos rod of torment like Fabius bile ?

Hush now. Don't overthink the Adeptus Restartes.

Stop trying to make 'Adeptus Resartes' happen - much like 'fetch'...it's not going to happen!

 Alpharius wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Rydria wrote:
Why does the primeris chaplain have a chaos rod of torment like Fabius bile ?

Hush now. Don't overthink the Adeptus Restartes.

Stop trying to make 'Adeptus Resartes' happen - much like 'fetch'...it's not going to happen!

Your bias against Secundus Marines is showing. Also, as an Alpha Legion fan, you should know the power of insidious subversion.

Re: the chaplain, personally I think it's a pretty cool look for the staff- if I were getting back into 40k these days, the only thing stopping me from doing primaris/truscale is those alarming prices...

re: IG, with modern modular kits, they could easily do combo kits, mostly with new heads, or GSC/DW upgrade sprues:

-light infantry (catachan + tanith (capes, knives))
-standard (cadian, mordian+ praetorians (heads, shoulders), tallarn (heads with clever neck joins; knives))
-greatcoats (valhallans, steel legion (maybe need different torso), vostroyans)

Would they be perfect duplicates of the variety of each getting their own kit? No. Could they increase the functional IG line from 2 to 9 variants in as few as 9 kits? Yes.