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I'm currently building up a new chaos marine army based around the "purge" renegade chapter (similar to death guard but less mutated by nurgle). I want a flying lord or sorcerer to mix with my chaos raptors for some extra LD and a nearly cruel level of cc attacks/melta fire. I also want a daemon prince with wings because a flying daemon prince is far more deadly than a foot slogging one.

The problem is that they only make one flying lord : http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1241160_99060102109_CSMLordjumpmain_873x627.jpg
and no flying daemon prince options.

My options for flying lord:

1) Buy a box of possessed marines , steal the wings and put them on my lord(or other wing conversions). Not bad really, seen it done before and it looks pretty good. It's just a bit expensive and pretty much everyone does this so it wouldnt be very unique. example(albeit a bad one): http://www.coolminiornot.com/169232 . Plus you can't have wings/jumppack on a terminator lord/sorc.

2)Buy the jumppack lord (from the pic above). I really don't like this option because I find that model to be fairly ugly and I hate the pose. The other problem is that he costs $12+shipping on ebay, whereas other lord choices are a good deal cheaper. The benefit is I really don't need to convert him at all to be table ready.

3)Use a model like: http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1183624_99110201142_ChaosLordTzeentchMain_873x627.jpg which looks incredible and fits the description of a flying lord/sorc. Downside being it doesnt really fit in with my raptors very well and the size means it has a bigger TLOS profile.

4)I have an aspiring champion from my raptor box that has lightning claws , he might do ok as a lord , but I would like to have at least the option of a lord /w daemon weapon or sorc /w force weapon. Pic: http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1251600_99110102071_CSMRaptorsqdmain_873x627.jpg (he's the guy in the bottom middle with the special looking robes).


Options for Flying Prince:

1)Snag a pair of Bloodthirster wings and slap them on. Not a bad way to go, I've seen it done on others and it looks nice. Too bad the balrog wings are disallowed in tournament play because they look incredible on prince's. Example(again, not a great one): http://www.coolminiornot.com/225860

2)Other options fail me, besides maybe using the much less cool looking older daemon prince model that comes with wings.

I'm asking for help picking one of the above options or feel free to offer one of your own, and if anyone has had to actually do this before any tips/help/links would be fantastic.

Why are the balrog wings disallowed?

statas wrote:Why are the balrog wings disallowed?

Mixing lotr and gw model pieces is against the agreement GW made with whoever owns lotr. So at official tournaments models customized with balrog wings/etc will be disqualified. I have heard some places are more lenient about it and won't really check for it or do anything about it unless someone complains. Kinda silly but unless it has changed recently I'm not going to use them.

I actually just heard from another thread here that there is a daemon prince model coming out that has wings, but I haven't seen anything about that. If anyone has information about that model I'd love to see it. I couldnt find anything on bell of lost souls/google/etc.

Halsfield wrote:

statas wrote:Why are the balrog wings disallowed?

Mixing lotr and gw model pieces is against the agreement GW made with whoever owns lotr. So at official tournaments models customized with balrog wings/etc will be disqualified. I have heard some places are more lenient about it and won't really check for it or do anything about it unless someone complains. Kinda silly but unless it has changed recently I'm not going to use them.

Page 103 of White Dwarf 351 shows a picture of a Daemon Prince with Balrog wings. That army won best painted at the Conquest NW GT.

I'm going to put Balrog wings on my Princes. But it's very unlikely that they will ever see tournament play.

I thought you just couldnt add any 40k/fantasy bits to Lotr models, for golden daemons... I could be wrong though

"However, due to the licensing agreements between New Line Cinema and Games Workshop, pieces of models for the Lord of the Rings Strategy Battle Game are not allowed to be combined with other model lines for official tournaments or conversion awards. The same is true for pieces from other manufacturers"

from here: http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings_Strategy_Battle_Game

Regardless, I'm not going to use them, and if anyone has any tips or suggestions on how to make solid flying lords/sorcs/princes, feel free to post em.

I have heard that Balrog wings are a "no go" for official tournament play but unless you are in grand tournaments regularly I don't see it being an issue. An alternative source of wings is to use the wings out of the dragon kit. This option is a bit more expensive because you have to buy the whole dragon kit to make it work. Personally I would just use the balrog wings and if anyone objects ask them to produce something in writing from GW saying they LOTR pieces can't be used in 40k, because I have never seen anything official on this.

I put Possessed wings on my Slanesh Chaos Sorc and they look amazing. I reckon it would work well for your lord as well.

These wings are my favorite for Chaos guys. They are a good medium size, bigger than Possessed wings, but smaller than the Thirster ones.



These work well for Nurgle conversions also.

Check this thread for some DP discussion:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/251799.page

But for flying Nurgle DP (appropriate for the Purge) - consider basing your model on Baron Harkonnen from Dune - check this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Harkonnen.

Harkonnen used 'suspensors' - basically a levitating field/belt that he flew around the room on. You could use a WHFB Ogre Body for this, use greenstuff to make it more nurgly/sci-fi, and then stick it on a flying base.

I found the pics of the upcoming plastic daemon prince kit that comes with wings(there are some bigger/more up close pics but I didnt spend a lot of time looking for them):



Alternate arrangement:



They are supposedly coming out fairly soon, so maybe I'll hold off and just use a sorc/lord til then.

I still need help making a flying lord and sorcerer, not just a daemon prince =p

ChaosismyAntidrug wrote:I have heard that Balrog wings are a "no go" for official tournament play but unless you are in grand tournaments regularly I don't see it being an issue. An alternative source of wings is to use the wings out of the dragon kit. This option is a bit more expensive because you have to buy the whole dragon kit to make it work. Personally I would just use the balrog wings and if anyone objects ask them to produce something in writing from GW saying they LOTR pieces can't be used in 40k, because I have never seen anything official on this.

Well, like I said above, it doesnt seem like it is heavily enforced except in the very top tournaments and conversion contests, but I like to play by the rules as much as possible and I think there are plenty of other options for wings other than the balrog. I would rather build a model that is guaranteed to be fine in all tournaments rather than hoping that particular judge/area is going to overlook it or be ok with it. So I won't be using balrog wings, despite them looking nice.

darkkt wrote:Check this thread for some DP discussion:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/251799.page

But for flying Nurgle DP (appropriate for the Purge) - consider basing your model on Baron Harkonnen from Dune - check this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Harkonnen.

Harkonnen used 'suspensors' - basically a levitating field/belt that he flew around the room on. You could use a WHFB Ogre Body for this, use greenstuff to make it more nurgly/sci-fi, and then stick it on a flying base.

Your first link is something I'll keep an eye on, but they're focused on tzeentch, and havent really given me anything useful yet.

Your second link didnt work, but I know who vladimir harkonnen is, I've seen the old movie, and all the tv series. It's a very good idea, and I might steal the grav-belt idea, but I don't really want my lords/princes/sorcs to be that grotesque. They worship nurgle, but in my eyes they are more corrupted on the inside rather than the outside(I imagine the average nurgle marine having a suit filled with plague flies crawling inside his body and buzzing inside his helmet driving him nearly insane so wounds don't really bother him). Their symbol is an icon with 3 plague flies, so I might try something with that, a swarm of plague flies lifting him up, or maybe make his wings look more like fly wings.

As people have said, Possessed wings are the best bet for a Lord or Sorcerer. If you want a winged DP, I'd personally wait for the plastic kit.

Cheese Elemental wrote:As people have said, Possessed wings are the best bet for a Lord or Sorcerer. If you want a winged DP, I'd personally wait for the plastic kit.

Yea, as I said it is my first choice, but the main problem is the price of either buying a boxed set for about $20+(+shipping) off ebay or buying a single ($7.50ish + $3 shipping) or pair ($10-12 + $3 s/h) of wing bits. So I wanted to hear any other suggestions from people that have done this. I also wasn't sure which lord/sorc they would fit best on, I havent seen too many of them attached to the newer plastic lord kit so maybe there are complications.

As far as the winged DP , I'm definitely leaning towards waiting for it and using a lord/sorc until then, but there is no official release date yet and they may hold onto it for a while. I'd still like to hear more ideas for wings that work well and maybe someone has a tutorial /pics on how they made theirs. I see a lot of people cutting off the jumppack to attach the wings and that scares me a bit.

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Thank you everyone so far that has offered suggestions/help, I really appreciate it. You're saving me a lot of time, money, effort, and grief.

are these GW official tourneys or club tourneys?

this is what i use as my second Nurgle DP with wings



if you want to be GW legal you can always buy just the resin wings

I hadn't seen those wings before but they look nice, the problem is that they are resin , and resin isnt allowed at GW tournaments just as lotr bits on GW models arent allowed. So I couldnt use those even if I just bought the wings. Thanks though, if GW ever changes their mind about their silly rules I might get them.

Halsfield wrote:I hadn't seen those wings before but they look nice, the problem is that they are resin , and resin isnt allowed at GW tournaments just as lotr bits on GW models arent allowed. So I couldnt use those even if I just bought the wings. Thanks though, if GW ever changes their mind about their silly rules I might get them.

Wait, wait, wait, Where did you hear that? Who ever told you that lied to you. GW allows FW models to be used and they are made from... resin. I personally have used some of my own cast resin pieces in Grand Tournaments and have had no issues. As for the wings not being made by GW, as long as 50% of the parts used on the model are made by GW it is fair game for any tournament.

ChaosismyAntidrug wrote:

Halsfield wrote:I hadn't seen those wings before but they look nice, the problem is that they are resin , and resin isnt allowed at GW tournaments just as lotr bits on GW models arent allowed. So I couldnt use those even if I just bought the wings. Thanks though, if GW ever changes their mind about their silly rules I might get them.

Wait, wait, wait, Where did you hear that? Who ever told you that lied to you. GW allows FW models to be used and they are made from... resin. I personally have used some of my own cast resin pieces in Grand Tournaments and have had no issues. As for the wings not being made by GW, as long as 50% of the parts used on the model are made by GW it is fair game for any tournament.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Demon , I guess it isnt so much that the resin is the problem as much as you aren't allowed to use any pieces other than from the sets listed.

There are also boatloads of threads like this: http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162056 with people talking about it not being allowed which kinda supports the above link. There was a big thread I posted in on librarium but it either got deleted or lost because I can't find it, but they were saying GW officials had DQ'd some of a player's models based on them being made from resin (not FW, but self-cast).

Personally, I really don't mind people that use self-cast resin or anything like that if it makes for a good looking model, but I do not plan on using anything that keeps me from playing in GW tournaments or entering GW run paint contests. So while I may be able to play/use it in a local gaming club, I'd rather keep my models fully GW compatible.

Edit: The 50% GW models rule isnt 100% safe either I've heard.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=&pIndex=1&aId=2500013a&start=2

There was lots of resin at the Toronto golden deamon compitition

well all resin arguments aside, I believe that http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1300205&prodId=prod1290031 are just what you are looking for. At $8.25 US they are inexpensive and just about the perfect size for a demon prince. Enjoy.


As for the reaper wings not bing allowed in Golden Demon entries.... of course they are not allowed. The Golden Demon is a painting and modeling competition sponsored by GW. Tournament play on the other hand, is an entirely different matter, and is what you complaint was aboput with the reaper wings.

I hadn't seen those wings before but they look nice, the problem is that they are resin , and resin isnt allowed at GW tournaments just as lotr bits on GW models arent allowed. So I couldnt use those even if I just bought the wings. Thanks though, if GW ever changes their mind about their silly rules I might get them.

I personally know several people besides me who have played in the Grand tournaments, you know the HUGE tournament held in Baltimore MD every year run by GW directly, that have used all sorts of wings. These wings came from such places as Toy dragons and insects to being custom sculpted and cast, and have yet to hear of any issues. I even know a guy who used his own custom sculpted and cast Terminators with about 2 GW parts on them total and he had no problems.

I happened to have some old Mage Knight figures and found some cool wings on some of those figs i used for my Khorne Chaos Lord. I suggest checking ebay for some dragon types from Mage Knight, I bet they are cheap to get and use those wings. I think it looks good, check out my lord below:

Why not just slap a raptor jump pack on the lord model you like the most ??
Or an all custom kit-bashed conversion with DW and JP ??