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Is anyone else surprised by the apparent focus on tactical marines and terminators? Seems to go against how most people have been building and playing Blood Angels armies in the past (i.e. fast moving / assault focused).

Being cynical you might say Games Workshop figures BA players already have plenty of those units and therefore want to push others instead, but if so you'd expect certain boons in the rules for those units to make them more appealing... Are we seeing a shift in the style of the army with this codex?

 LutherMax wrote:
Is anyone else surprised by the apparent focus on tactical marines and terminators? Seems to go against how most people have been building and playing Blood Angels armies in the past (i.e. fast moving / assault focused).

Being cynical you might say Games Workshop figures BA players already have plenty of those units and therefore want to push others instead, but if so you'd expect certain boons in the rules for those units to make them more appealing... Are we seeing a shift in the style of the army with this codex?

Indeed, it is pretty strange that GW focuses on Tacticals and normal Termies which have had no place in BA armies in the current incarnation of the codex.
Normal Termies are meh anyway and Assault Marines were superior to Tacticals.
Let's see what GW is giving us now.

Back in third edition this is how it was. Blood angels still have more tactical marines than assault and in this shooty edition tacs are more useful

 LutherMax wrote:
Being cynical you might say Games Workshop figures BA players already have plenty of those units and therefore want to push others instead, but if so you'd expect certain boons in the rules for those units to make them more appealing...

Not sure if this can already be said. With no rules leaked this time (seriously, ZERO) other than what GW wants to show and there is much more in both books I would not worry about things like that

I hope an a bit less cynical approach is okay? The Dark Eldar Codex and especially the SW one looked bad at first, but both turned out fine after their releases

And better not start about the latest eldar dex

I actually almost never played DOA and got into BA because I liked all the tanks being fast. Have we confirmed if that rule is still around?

Lord_Osma wrote:
I actually almost never played DOA and got into BA because I liked all the tanks being fast. Have we confirmed if that rule is still around?

Same here. I wouldn't play BA if it wasnt for the fast vehicles. I've never cared about paying extra points for it.
We are fast and always (should) be.

Lord_Osma wrote:
I actually almost never played DOA and got into BA because I liked all the tanks being fast. Have we confirmed if that rule is still around?

IIRC the 6th Ed FAQ had only the Baal Pred as Fast and all other Rhino-hull vehicles down as just Tank – resulting in widespread uproar among BA players!
The current FAQ has them all back as Fast

Warhams-77 wrote:

 LutherMax wrote:
Being cynical you might say Games Workshop figures BA players already have plenty of those units and therefore want to push others instead, but if so you'd expect certain boons in the rules for those units to make them more appealing...

Not sure if this can already be said. With no rules leaked this time (seriously, ZERO) other than what GW wants to show and there is much more in both books I would not worry about things like that

I hope an a bit less cynical approach is okay? The Dark Eldar Codex and especially the SW one looked bad at first, but both turned out fine after their releases

And better not start about the latest eldar dex

The Eldar Dex is old and out of date - should have been revised but GW can't be bothered to tone several units down in a faq to make them at the same level as eveyone else.
The Space Wolves Codex is "ok" - some nice pics, declining amount fluff and some oddities like the truely immense size of their fleet relative to the now more specfic Chapter size. TheM urder Dreadnought and Logan Sleigh were not high points for me....
The Dark Eldar Codex had its most of its Character section gutted and thrown away, they spat on the Wyches corpses and despite some nice images of them spent all its time trying to make you play with the Hormuclus Covens - including the supplement. Depsite the huge fluff support they didn;t even make the flyers Vector Dancers -

I would not be surpised if they focus on specfiic elements of the BA army - maybe its now Tac squads and Terminators (Space Hulk is re-released remember) - no sign of the usual supplement which I had thought might be Death Company (like The Storm Troopers) but looks like they have stayed in the main Dex.....

LIke most GW things, fast vehicles will stay or go on a whim - be a little shocked if something is not made into a Monsterous Creature.................

 LutherMax wrote:
Is anyone else surprised by the apparent focus on tactical marines and terminators? Seems to go against how most people have been building and playing Blood Angels armies in the past (i.e. fast moving / assault focused).

Being cynical you might say Games Workshop figures BA players already have plenty of those units and therefore want to push others instead, but if so you'd expect certain boons in the rules for those units to make them more appealing... Are we seeing a shift in the style of the army with this codex?

Maybe they're trying to get you guys to stop trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole with assaulty units in a shooty game.

The space wolf dex is very strong. Sure, there are some seriously stupid things in that book (murderface, santa wolf) but in general the book has fantastic internal and external balance.

The dark eldar codex is fairly dull and bland, but extremely powerful as well. Same with Grey Knights.

I think we'll be fine.

I think think we will come out alright.

How do you guys feel about the FOC swaps?
Libby dreads to HQ, Seth to LOW, regular dread to elites, not sure where the DC sit as they are in troops for Deathstorm but elites in something else I read.

Seth to LOW surprised me, but I understand since him and Dante are the chapter masters. And he's only 155 points. Cheapest LOW so far. I hope he's viable, as I really like the model and his fluff.


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Also, it seems like the painting schemes are moving away from the brighter orange-red and more into deeper darker red. I think the pictures that have been making the rounds look very good, and similar to how I paint mine.

If Rhino pattern stuff remains Fast for Blood Angels, I think I am going to recommission all of unbuilt Rhinos from my Crimson Fists army as Blood Angels.

Part of me thinks that GW got rid of DoA as an army wide thing because this way people have to buy a ton of transports. Wouldn't surprise me in the least. I am definitely going to magnetize my Death Company backpacks. I wonder if Blood Angels are going to get access to the Land Speeder Storm. Would rather use one of those than a Scout Biker Squad.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I am definitely going to magnetize my Death Company backpacks.

Until recently I'd made a firm decision to go with non-JP death company (in a land raider or storm raven), but now I'm thinking magnets too!

When did Gabriel Seth become a lord of war

 LutherMax wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I am definitely going to magnetize my Death Company backpacks.

Until recently I'd made a firm decision to go with non-JP death company (in a land raider or storm raven), but now I'm thinking magnets too!

The bit is in the pin vise waiting for my Deathstorm box. I don't like magnetizing marines, but this way they are multifunction.

Personally stormraven is the last transport I'd use for DC.

Motograter wrote:
When did Gabriel Seth become a lord of war

In a week from now.

Motograter wrote:
When did Gabriel Seth become a lord of war

When he got his own novel

Dante and Seth are LoWs?



Source: itunes store

Not to point out the obvious, but that does not show Dante or Seth as lords of war. That shows them as highlighted of an unselected choice that actually looks like an HQ.


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If you look at the bottom of what the person has selected, no LoW is selected. One HQ, two troops, one elite, one fast and one heavy have been selected.

That's why I posted the pic, I dont understand it. Thank you for the help

breakingstick wrote:
Not to point out the obvious, but that does not show Dante or Seth as lords of war. That shows them as highlighted of an unselected choice that actually looks like an HQ.


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If you look at the bottom of what the person has selected, no LoW is selected. One HQ, two troops, one elite, one fast and one heavy have been selected.

If it was the HQ section, librarians, reclusiarch, captains, etc. would be an option to choose. But, seeing as it's only Dante and Seth as the only choices, you can assume it's LOW. At least that's my reasoning.

breakingstick wrote:
Not to point out the obvious, but that does not show Dante or Seth as lords of war. That shows them as highlighted of an unselected choice that actually looks like an HQ.


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If you look at the bottom of what the person has selected, no LoW is selected. One HQ, two troops, one elite, one fast and one heavy have been selected.

Actually, you can view the LoW section but your selection won't show in the bottom til you press add to collection. If it was the HQ there would be the Priest, Chaplain, Librarian, Mephiston and Captain etc

Seth makes zero sense for a low slot. Dante yeah, Mephiston doubly so but Seth, really........

Actually you would not see those because he actually has Dante and Seth selected but is not on the HQ or the LoW screen. So since he is not in those menus you will not see all of those except for those he has selected.

Motograter wrote:
Seth makes zero sense for a low slot. Dante yeah, Mephiston doubly so but Seth, really........

They might just be making all Chapter Masters/Iconic faction leaders a LoW choice going forward, just to maintain consistency across books.

He could have changed I suppose...but at 155 points, I don't see how he could be good enough to warrant a LoW slot regardless of what they gave him.

He is a good hand to hand fighter but he is not a lord of war. People are really misunderstanding how the app the works. Since nothing is selected it is not showing a LOW screen. It is showing the two guys that the user has moved into possible use.

Ghaz was shoved into the LoW slot for Orks,

and no matter how iconic he is his stats just don't match up to the 'big' stuff that you can take in that slot,

so I see no reason why Seth wouldn't be a LoW in this

(maybe a LoW you only choose if you don't actually plan to have a real LoW because you don't have the spare points, but a LoW none the less)

Experiment 626 wrote:
With regards to all the moaning & gnashing of teeth over the potential move of DoA to a Warlord Trait...

Does absolutely no one really think to have just a quick word with their opponent about simply choosing a Warlord Trait in their army list instead of rolling randomly?
And is Astronomi-con really the only tournament out there that allows players to pick a specific trait as long as it's clearly listed in their army list?!

This isn't a serious problem. A little bit of civilised conversation and both players can have some cake and eat it too.

Why am I paying Games Workshop for rules if I'm going to house-rule their gak away on the grounds of it being idiotic?

If you took your car in to a mechanic shop to have it fixed, and the guy only fixed some of what you paid for him to repair, would you just say "lulz oh well, I can always just fix the rest of this myself"?

Lord_Osma wrote:
I actually almost never played DOA and got into BA because I liked all the tanks being fast. Have we confirmed if that rule is still around?

Fingers crossed for fast to stay in!

I would even accept having to pay to upgrade them to fast.

Just let us have the option, at least.

Because this is not the same as a car. That's a terrible analogy since physical mechanics dictating whether or not something works and abstract mechanics allowing people to agree on how to play a game are not the same.

The same principle applies for payment though: if you don't like it and know that from the start, don't pay for it.