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I think you misunderstand.
Nearly every BA-model I own has a Jump Pack which I use because Descent of Angels exists.
Deep Strike on itself sucks and I would have never bought so many JP-models if they scattered 2D6"

So the idea of "If you don't like it and know that from the start, don't pay for it" doesn't apply because I didn't know I would lose DoA.
But before we all panic we should probably wait until the entire Codex is released since I am sure we will obtain the D6"-scatter in some way, I'm guessing as a Detachment-ability or a fixed Warlord Trait on some HQ.

Drop Pods and Homing Beacons can help.

All JP is still decent even without DoA; running up the board 12+d6" a turn will still get you into CC by turn 3 or so, and it is easy enough to go from cover to cover within that move.

But for the record I still expect the detachment to help out.

 troa wrote:
Because this is not the same as a car. That's a terrible analogy since physical mechanics dictating whether or not something works and abstract mechanics allowing people to agree on how to play a game are not the same.

The analogy works because the principle is exactly the same, as you... point out directly below. There's no point in paying for a service that you're going to end up performing yourself as a result of the person you paid being incompetent. Ergo "just house rule it!" doesn't excuse gak game design.

Valid point, Kangodo. It certainly does change dynamics on units that have been built.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 troa wrote:
Because this is not the same as a car. That's a terrible analogy since physical mechanics dictating whether or not something works and abstract mechanics allowing people to agree on how to play a game are not the same.

The analogy works because the principle is exactly the same, as you... point out directly below. There's no point in paying for a service that you're going to end up performing yourself as a result of the person you paid being incompetent. Ergo "just house rule it!" doesn't excuse gak game design.

Agreeing a house rule on warlord traits is more like topping your cars water up than performing anything mechanical on it though. I agree on your argument that GW should sort its rules out but this one is a minor fix.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 troa wrote:
Because this is not the same as a car. That's a terrible analogy since physical mechanics dictating whether or not something works and abstract mechanics allowing people to agree on how to play a game are not the same.

The analogy works because the principle is exactly the same, as you... point out directly below. There's no point in paying for a service that you're going to end up performing yourself as a result of the person you paid being incompetent. Ergo "just house rule it!" doesn't excuse gak game design.

You're serious? You are comparing that you personally don't like the rule changes in a codex is the same equivalent as your car being broke? You see this is the problem right here, you personally think that jump packs are useless without DoA and you don't like the rule being lost, even though we established that you don't know this since we don't have the codex and are therefore complaining about something with a complete lack of data. You simply don't know how jump packs will operate with Blood Angels this edition yet and that is a fact. The rules could be just fine for what all we know for jump pack models and your personal preference for the rules isn't the absolute standard of what the rules should be. The fact that you compare this to a broken car not being fixed just shows that to you this is more than just a personal opinion, you consider it to be objective fact when it is not. I get that you personally don't want to lose the rule and that's fine but please don't compare it to a situation like your car being broke and not working. A car has a clear objective on how it works. A game with rules does not operate in such a manner.

 DarthOvious wrote:
You're serious? You are comparing that you personally don't like the rule changes in a codex is the same equivalent as your car being broke?

metaphor

noun

1. a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable

you personally think that jump packs are useless without DoA

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

I said that moving the abilities to randomized warlord traits is bad game design and is unnescesarry. It "making jump packs useless" is an assertion you've made up to fuel your faux outrage.

I assume the rumour of the traitor Blood Angels chapter is not about the Knights.

Kangodo wrote:
I think you misunderstand.
Nearly every BA-model I own has a Jump Pack which I use because Descent of Angels exists.
Deep Strike on itself sucks and I would have never bought so many JP-models if they scattered 2D6"

So the idea of "If you don't like it and know that from the start, don't pay for it" doesn't apply because I didn't know I would lose DoA.
But before we all panic we should probably wait until the entire Codex is released since I am sure we will obtain the D6"-scatter in some way, I'm guessing as a Detachment-ability or a fixed Warlord Trait on some HQ.

Well said, Kangodo! My Blood Angel army is DoA-focused and features 30 assault marines with jump packs as main element of my force. I did not do this because of the perceived value of the rules at the time. I did it because jump pack marines, in my mind, embodied the Blood Angels way of fighting. It was, and still is, extremely evocative. Yeah, you can tell me all about tac marines being the heart of any Astartes chapter and all that. However, the point remains that Blood Angels ARE assault marines (and like to go fast).

I think, at this point, my only hope for the codex is, as others suggest. a formation. Or, at the very least, assault marines will still be a Troops choice.

I'd be pretty surprised if Dante didn't have some sort of Jump Pack-enhancing Warlord Trait. It's his thing, after all.

Kangodo wrote:
I think you misunderstand.
Nearly every BA-model I own has a Jump Pack which I use because Descent of Angels exists.
Deep Strike on itself sucks and I would have never bought so many JP-models if they scattered 2D6"

So the idea of "If you don't like it and know that from the start, don't pay for it" doesn't apply because I didn't know I would lose DoA.
But before we all panic we should probably wait until the entire Codex is released since I am sure we will obtain the D6"-scatter in some way, I'm guessing as a Detachment-ability or a fixed Warlord Trait on some HQ.

See this:

 Paradigm wrote:
All JP is still decent even without DoA; running up the board 12+d6" a turn will still get you into CC by turn 3 or so, and it is easy enough to go from cover to cover within that move.

But for the record I still expect the detachment to help out.

12" moves every turn is WAY more useful to you than dropping from the sky once. D6" is good to have, but losing it is hardly going to completely invalidate the army... if you even lose it at all that is.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I'd be pretty surprised if Dante didn't have some sort of Jump Pack-enhancing Warlord Trait. It's his thing, after all.

I'm sure he'll keep his noscatter ability at least. I'm hoping he gets that plus a wl trait instead of getting nerfed by turning that INTO his trait.

niv-mizzet wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I'd be pretty surprised if Dante didn't have some sort of Jump Pack-enhancing Warlord Trait. It's his thing, after all.

I'm sure he'll keep his noscatter ability at least. I'm hoping he gets that plus a wl trait instead of getting nerfed by turning that INTO his trait.

You and I both know thats exactly whats happening.

So the Librarian is 65pts now and Assault Squad Terminators are still 200pts with each additional at 40pts per.

There's some spanish pictures of the codex floating around but no wargear options and I can't post the pics because computers is hard...

http://dedard.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/blood-angels-compiled-mega-post.html

Better pictures maybe:

http://imgur.com/a/Z2FMg

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
So the Librarian is 65pts now and Assault Squad Terminators are still 200pts with each additional at 40pts per.

There's some spanish pictures of the codex floating around but no wargear options and I can't post the pics because computers is hard...

http://dedard.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/blood-angels-compiled-mega-post.html

Better pictures maybe:

http://imgur.com/a/Z2FMg

At work so I can't view the image *shakes fist at engineers* but in response to the Librarian being 65pts, FINALLY. It only took a fething year. Not surprised about the terminators, there was no way they were going to be any sort of different when DA and GK get their special snowflake terminators for fluff reasons and BA has no reason for different terminators.

For those of us without access to the site, any relevant information I'm missing?

Alright, let me try this again. Looks like the 90pts on the left page belongs to a Captain and the Librarian is equipped with Power Armor and the Bolt Pistol and has the upgrade option to lvl 2. Seems pretty normal. The pictures aren't of the whole page.

Super weird if it's just a BA assault terminator box.
Somehow that's more weird to me than a BA tactical box, I guess I've been prepped for that since 2nd edition.

So has it been confirmed that assault marines will still be a troop choice that is still my biggest fear. All other changes I can deal with but seeing as I don't own a single tactical marine for my blood Angels I would be very upset if all 50 of my assault marines no longer could be troops.

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
So has it been confirmed that assault marines will still be a troop choice that is still my biggest fear. All other changes I can deal with but seeing as I don't own a single tactical marine for my blood Angels I would be very upset if all 50 of my assault marines no longer could be troops.

No word yet that I've seen.

So, no new terminator type, but a BA blinged out kit to go with the tactical kit and a new Sang priest kit.

There best be something hidden up their sleeve, or I'm not buying a thing this release. This is looking to be GK level of release ATM, nothing new, some nerfs, some buffs (only DC that's I've seen so far) but nothing particularly interesting. Bleh.

Posted by Natpri771 in 40k General Discussion:
1. Sanguinary Priests are now HQ choices
2. Death Company are now elites
3. Mephiston is not a lord of war
4. Tactical squads have been beefed up
5. There is a new Blood Angels psychic discipline
6. There is a new Blood Angels force organisation chart, The Baal Strike Force
7. Some new Blood Angels relics and wargear
8. Tycho has not been removed
9. There is a new Blood Angels successor chapter, The Carmine Blades
10. Hopefully, there will be a Flesh Tearers supplement
11. Hopefully, the Wardinator's taint will be removed
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/625994.page#7409841

There has to be something new Terminator related. The Banner carrying Termi in a few pictures is more like the Grey Knight Paladins than anything else. I'm holding out for either a Terminator Command Squad or something special like 'Archangel Terminators'. I'm getting into this army with the plan on running atleast 13 Terminators per game..

Looking through the released preview pics, it is starting to look like the banner is part of an Assault Squad. Lots of Hammers and Claws in 'Captain Karlaen and Squad Bavetius'

 Rippy wrote:
Posted by Natpri771 in 40k General Discussion:
1. Sanguinary Priests are now HQ choices
2. Death Company are now elites
3. Mephiston is not a lord of war
4. Tactical squads have been beefed up
5. There is a new Blood Angels psychic discipline
6. There is a new Blood Angels force organisation chart, The Baal Strike Force
7. Some new Blood Angels relics and wargear
8. Tycho has not been removed
9. There is a new Blood Angels successor chapter, The Carmine Blades
10. Hopefully, there will be a Flesh Tearers supplement
11. Hopefully, the Wardinator's taint will be removed
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/625994.page#7409841

Yuk if true and death company are elites and sang priests are hq feel like that really over loads the elite section and angers me a little what on earth am I going to do with 9 custom made sang priests

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Posted by Natpri771 in 40k General Discussion:
1. Sanguinary Priests are now HQ choices
2. Death Company are now elites
3. Mephiston is not a lord of war
4. Tactical squads have been beefed up
5. There is a new Blood Angels psychic discipline
6. There is a new Blood Angels force organisation chart, The Baal Strike Force
7. Some new Blood Angels relics and wargear
8. Tycho has not been removed
9. There is a new Blood Angels successor chapter, The Carmine Blades
10. Hopefully, there will be a Flesh Tearers supplement
11. Hopefully, the Wardinator's taint will be removed
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/625994.page#7409841

Yuk if true and death company are elites and sang priests are hq feel like that really over loads the elite section and angers me a little what on earth am I going to do with 9 custom made sang priests

Looked at some of the pictures that were posted on that link above. I doubt DC are elites (as it has a special group of them as troops). The biggest thing I have noticed is that Death Company are no longer WS5. That saddens me greatly :(

 Mulletdude wrote:

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Posted by Natpri771 in 40k General Discussion:
1. Sanguinary Priests are now HQ choices
2. Death Company are now elites
3. Mephiston is not a lord of war
4. Tactical squads have been beefed up
5. There is a new Blood Angels psychic discipline
6. There is a new Blood Angels force organisation chart, The Baal Strike Force
7. Some new Blood Angels relics and wargear
8. Tycho has not been removed
9. There is a new Blood Angels successor chapter, The Carmine Blades
10. Hopefully, there will be a Flesh Tearers supplement
11. Hopefully, the Wardinator's taint will be removed
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/625994.page#7409841

Yuk if true and death company are elites and sang priests are hq feel like that really over loads the elite section and angers me a little what on earth am I going to do with 9 custom made sang priests

Looked at some of the pictures that were posted on that link above. I doubt DC are elites (as it has a special group of them as troops). The biggest thing I have noticed is that Death Company are no longer WS5. That saddens me greatly :(

IMO the massive points reduction more than makes up for it. And IMO it never made sense to me that DC and Berserker got BETTER in CC. Should they be so rage-filled that their WS goes LOWER, if anything?

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

IMO the massive points reduction more than makes up for it. And IMO it never made sense to me that DC and Berserker got BETTER in CC. Should they be so rage-filled that their WS goes LOWER, if anything?

Also yuk, it looks like the magna-grapple is no longer a shooting attack, just gives the dread move through cover (which is nice). I also hope the DC dread's None Shal Stay My Wrath special rule isn't only going to be for that named DC dread. The more I look at these rumors the more I notice my DC + dreads army is dead. :(

Also looks like the massive point reduction given to death company are in the form of -10 points per jump pack.

Also, anyone notice that Cassor the Damned is missing a strength value?

 Mulletdude wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

IMO the massive points reduction more than makes up for it. And IMO it never made sense to me that DC and Berserker got BETTER in CC. Should they be so rage-filled that their WS goes LOWER, if anything?

Also yuk, it looks like the magna-grapple is no longer a shooting attack, just gives the dread move through cover (which is nice). I also hope the DC dread's None Shal Stay My Wrath special rule isn't only going to be for that named DC dread. The more I look at these rumors the more I notice my DC + dreads army is dead. :(

Also looks like the massive point reduction given to death company are in the form of -10 points per jump pack.

Also, anyone notice that Cassor the Damned is missing a strength value?

We all noticed all that 25 pages ago.

 Mulletdude wrote:

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Posted by Natpri771 in 40k General Discussion:
1. Sanguinary Priests are now HQ choices
2. Death Company are now elites
3. Mephiston is not a lord of war
4. Tactical squads have been beefed up
5. There is a new Blood Angels psychic discipline
6. There is a new Blood Angels force organisation chart, The Baal Strike Force
7. Some new Blood Angels relics and wargear
8. Tycho has not been removed
9. There is a new Blood Angels successor chapter, The Carmine Blades
10. Hopefully, there will be a Flesh Tearers supplement
11. Hopefully, the Wardinator's taint will be removed
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/625994.page#7409841

Yuk if true and death company are elites and sang priests are hq feel like that really over loads the elite section and angers me a little what on earth am I going to do with 9 custom made sang priests

Looked at some of the pictures that were posted on that link above. I doubt DC are elites (as it has a special group of them as troops). The biggest thing I have noticed is that Death Company are no longer WS5. That saddens me greatly :(

I'm afraid it's true. If you look at the blood Angels elite section on the GW site, you will find death company. It looks like they have been nerfed as well. This is bad for my BA army, as I now have to drop my landspeeders and replace them with assault squads which cannot deep strike due to it breaking the 50% rule.

natpri771 wrote:

 Mulletdude wrote:

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Posted by Natpri771 in 40k General Discussion:
1. Sanguinary Priests are now HQ choices
2. Death Company are now elites
3. Mephiston is not a lord of war
4. Tactical squads have been beefed up
5. There is a new Blood Angels psychic discipline
6. There is a new Blood Angels force organisation chart, The Baal Strike Force
7. Some new Blood Angels relics and wargear
8. Tycho has not been removed
9. There is a new Blood Angels successor chapter, The Carmine Blades
10. Hopefully, there will be a Flesh Tearers supplement
11. Hopefully, the Wardinator's taint will be removed
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/625994.page#7409841

Yuk if true and death company are elites and sang priests are hq feel like that really over loads the elite section and angers me a little what on earth am I going to do with 9 custom made sang priests

Looked at some of the pictures that were posted on that link above. I doubt DC are elites (as it has a special group of them as troops). The biggest thing I have noticed is that Death Company are no longer WS5. That saddens me greatly :(

I'm afraid it's true. If you look at the blood Angels elite section on the GW site, you will find death company. It looks like they have been nerfed as well. This is bad for my BA army, as I now have to drop my landspeeders and replace them with assault squads which cannot deep strike due to it breaking the 50% rule.

50% rule is gone i 7e dude,.

There will no doubt be a death company, assault marine and sang guard formation(s) that allow them to be troops