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Any word on assault marine troops?

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
There will no doubt be a death company, assault marine and sang guard formation(s) that allow them to be troops

Indeed, a formation with jump packers would be fine.
However, no sign yet.

 th3maninblak wrote:
Any word on assault marine troops?

They are going to remain as troops, but apparently descent of Angels will become a warlord trait


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 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

natpri771 wrote:

 Mulletdude wrote:

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Posted by Natpri771 in 40k General Discussion:
1. Sanguinary Priests are now HQ choices
2. Death Company are now elites
3. Mephiston is not a lord of war
4. Tactical squads have been beefed up
5. There is a new Blood Angels psychic discipline
6. There is a new Blood Angels force organisation chart, The Baal Strike Force
7. Some new Blood Angels relics and wargear
8. Tycho has not been removed
9. There is a new Blood Angels successor chapter, The Carmine Blades
10. Hopefully, there will be a Flesh Tearers supplement
11. Hopefully, the Wardinator's taint will be removed
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/625994.page#7409841

Yuk if true and death company are elites and sang priests are hq feel like that really over loads the elite section and angers me a little what on earth am I going to do with 9 custom made sang priests

Looked at some of the pictures that were posted on that link above. I doubt DC are elites (as it has a special group of them as troops). The biggest thing I have noticed is that Death Company are no longer WS5. That saddens me greatly :(

Are you telling me I've been pranked since May of this year? Goddammit

I'm afraid it's true. If you look at the blood Angels elite section on the GW site, you will find death company. It looks like they have been nerfed as well. This is bad for my BA army, as I now have to drop my landspeeders and replace them with assault squads which cannot deep strike due to it breaking the 50% rule.

50% rule is gone i 7e dude,.

So DoA becomes Trait that needs to be rolled for?

 wuestenfux wrote:
So DoA becomes Trait that needs to be rolled for?

GW: 1 step forward, 5 steps back.

Maybe DC, if they are moved to elites, will be a slotless elites choice, a bit like how the new Nid 'drop pod' is a slotless heavy?

Also, DC and the named DC dread are troops in the Deathstorm, seems strange that this would change in the main dex?

D

 wuestenfux wrote:
So DoA becomes Trait that needs to be rolled for?

Well, there's a warlord trait called "Descent of Angels" and Descent of angels is absent from the jump pack rules and death company at least....beyond that is speculation, but it seems like DoA is a warlord trait now, and one I expect Dante to have by default. What it does now is anyone's guess of course.

 wuestenfux wrote:
So DoA becomes Trait that needs to be rolled for?

Really all we know at this point is that there's a warlord trait called DoA, we have no idea about what it actually does yet.

D

 evildrcheese wrote:
Maybe DC, if they are moved to elites, will be a slotless elites choice, a bit like how the new Nid 'drop pod' is a slotless heavy?

Also, DC and the named DC dread are troops in the Deathstorm, seems strange that this would change in the main dex?

D

Maybe they are troops as long as you spend money on a limited edition boxset

GW promoting normal Termies and Tacticals for BA is the wrong approach.
For BA I'd like to see jump packers and fast vehicles.

Ork player here, we lost our "signature" troops in the form of nobz. Don't be surprised, they want you to play unbound, so that kid that bought 2 riptides, 2 knights and 2 wraithknights has someone to play against.

Except assault marines are just troops, and nobs were a force org swap.

 th3maninblak wrote:
Except assault marines are just troops, and nobs were a force org swap.

This. Orks never had Nobz as 'signature' troops. It was a force org swap from a Warlord and to be fair, the only thing close to that (a Force Org swap from a HQ) that remains in the game is Chaos Marines and the Mark dictating whether Berserkers, Plague Marines, T. Sons or Noise Marines are troops. And, to be perfectly fair this has been something of a Chaos staple since their 3rd edition codex (when the force org chart was introduced as what it is to this day). Expecting Nobz to remain troops was a joke and you know it. Anything that became a Force Org swap by taking X or Y that wasn't in existence previously wasn't going to survive to the next codex and you knew it.

Now, Blood Angels having Assault Marines as troops? That wasn't a swap, that was part of the book itself. Look at Troops, see Assault Marines - I doubt GW are so willing to invalidate armies by structure alone. (P.S., look at your old Ork Codex. Nobz are in Elites.)




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 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:


50% rule is gone i 7e dude,.

This. It's gone. Now, the rule where you lose by default if you have nothing on the table is still there...but that's why you take a few squads of footsloggers or some drop pods and keep them safe. Also consider Deep Striking got a lot easier this edition.

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Posted by Natpri771 in 40k General Discussion:
1. Sanguinary Priests are now HQ choices
2. Death Company are now elites
3. Mephiston is not a lord of war
4. Tactical squads have been beefed up
5. There is a new Blood Angels psychic discipline
6. There is a new Blood Angels force organisation chart, The Baal Strike Force
7. Some new Blood Angels relics and wargear
8. Tycho has not been removed
9. There is a new Blood Angels successor chapter, The Carmine Blades
10. Hopefully, there will be a Flesh Tearers supplement
11. Hopefully, the Wardinator's taint will be removed
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/625994.page#7409841

Yuk if true and death company are elites and sang priests are hq feel like that really over loads the elite section and angers me a little what on earth am I going to do with 9 custom made sang priests

Although that sucks about your 9 sang priests, I suspect that taking certain HQ types will unlock elites and make them troops, much te same way as chaos works with marked marines. That is complete speculation though.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Ghaz was shoved into the LoW slot for Orks,

and no matter how iconic he is his stats just don't match up to the 'big' stuff that you can take in that slot,

so I see no reason why Seth wouldn't be a LoW in this

(maybe a LoW you only choose if you don't actually plan to have a real LoW because you don't have the spare points, but a LoW none the less)

To be perfectly fair...

With Sang Priests going to HQ...

I suppose Seth frees up his HQ slot by going to LOW?

BONUS!

 Rippy wrote:
Posted by Natpri771 in 40k General Discussion:
1. Sanguinary Priests are now HQ choices
2. Death Company are now elites
3. Mephiston is not a lord of war
4. Tactical squads have been beefed up
5. There is a new Blood Angels psychic discipline
6. There is a new Blood Angels force organisation chart, The Baal Strike Force
7. Some new Blood Angels relics and wargear
8. Tycho has not been removed
9. There is a new Blood Angels successor chapter, The Carmine Blades
10. Hopefully, there will be a Flesh Tearers supplement
11. Hopefully, the Wardinator's taint will be removed
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/625994.page#7409841

Sigh. Explains the 30 dollar Sanguinary Priest model.

If DC are elites that's going to be interesting...and yet not all that lame given how they couldn't score before, makes sense for them to populate the Elites slot. Now they compete with Dreadnoughts and Terminators, even then it's not really a competition.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Ghaz was shoved into the LoW slot for Orks,

and no matter how iconic he is his stats just don't match up to the 'big' stuff that you can take in that slot,

so I see no reason why Seth wouldn't be a LoW in this

(maybe a LoW you only choose if you don't actually plan to have a real LoW because you don't have the spare points, but a LoW none the less)

To be perfectly fair...

With Sang Priests going to HQ...

I suppose Seth frees up his HQ slot by going to LOW?

BONUS!

Why would Seth be a LOW?

My money is on the Sanguinor getting beefed up and moved to LOW slot.

natpri771 wrote:
I'm afraid it's true. If you look at the blood Angels elite section on the GW site, you will find death company. It looks like they have been nerfed as well. This is bad for my BA army, as I now have to drop my landspeeders and replace them with assault squads which cannot deep strike due to it breaking the 50% rule.

It's a tiny nerf and totally worth it with the point-cost reduction.
They also lost Black Rage and now just have Rage which means they are scoring.
And they are still Troops since Raphen's Death Company are Troops.

Eldercaveman wrote:


Why would Seth be a LOW?

My money is on the Sanguinor getting beefed up and moved to LOW slot.

How much money are we talking?

Lords of War spoiler below

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 DarthOvious wrote:
You're serious? You are comparing that you personally don't like the rule changes in a codex is the same equivalent as your car being broke?

metaphor

noun

1. a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable

Except you called it an analogy earlier on.

Analogy

1. a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based:

And as pointed out your analogy does not work because you are not the be all and end all of rules design. Just because you don't like the rules then doesn't mean that others don't like them.

you personally think that jump packs are useless without DoA

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

I said that moving the abilities to randomized warlord traits is bad game design and is unnescesarry. It "making jump packs useless" is an assertion you've made up to fuel your faux outrage.

It certainly was over the DoA rule being taken from the army list and put into war lord traits.

You said in a previous post this:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/2460/618311.page#7408130

"Anyway, I don't see the point in trying to sugar-coat it. If DoA is a warlord trait, then that sucks. End of. And it's also very likely, considering the trend."

If you are not asserting that this somehow makes jump packs useless to take then on what basis are you able to call this bad rule design?

Wonderwolf wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:


Why would Seth be a LOW?

My money is on the Sanguinor getting beefed up and moved to LOW slot.

How much money are we talking?

Lords of War spoiler below

Spoiler:

Is this from the iBook preview?

DarkStarSabre wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
Except assault marines are just troops, and nobs were a force org swap.

This. Orks never had Nobz as 'signature' troops. It was a force org swap from a Warlord and to be fair, the only thing close to that (a Force Org swap from a HQ) that remains in the game is Chaos Marines and the Mark dictating whether Berserkers, Plague Marines, T. Sons or Noise Marines are troops. And, to be perfectly fair this has been something of a Chaos staple since their 3rd edition codex (when the force org chart was introduced as what it is to this day). Expecting Nobz to remain troops was a joke and you know it. Anything that became a Force Org swap by taking X or Y that wasn't in existence previously wasn't going to survive to the next codex and you knew it.

Now, Blood Angels having Assault Marines as troops? That wasn't a swap, that was part of the book itself. Look at Troops, see Assault Marines - I doubt GW are so willing to invalidate armies by structure alone. (P.S., look at your old Ork Codex. Nobz are in Elites.) Well according to Forge World assault marines where troops in 30k not now because rowboat changed how it was back in the day




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 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:


50% rule is gone i 7e dude,.

This. It's gone. Now, the rule where you lose by default if you have nothing on the table is still there...but that's why you take a few squads of footsloggers or some drop pods and keep them safe. Also consider Deep Striking got a lot easier this edition.

Rippy wrote:

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Posted by Natpri771 in 40k General Discussion:
1. Sanguinary Priests are now HQ choices
2. Death Company are now elites
3. Mephiston is not a lord of war
4. Tactical squads have been beefed up
5. There is a new Blood Angels psychic discipline
6. There is a new Blood Angels force organisation chart, The Baal Strike Force
7. Some new Blood Angels relics and wargear
8. Tycho has not been removed
9. There is a new Blood Angels successor chapter, The Carmine Blades
10. Hopefully, there will be a Flesh Tearers supplement
11. Hopefully, the Wardinator's taint will be removed
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/625994.page#7409841

Yuk if true and death company are elites and sang priests are hq feel like that really over loads the elite section and angers me a little what on earth am I going to do with 9 custom made sang priests

Although that sucks about your 9 sang priests, I suspect that taking certain HQ types will unlock elites and make them troops, much te same way as chaos works with marked marines. That is complete speculation though.

Yea that will not happen again short of a data slate, Space Wolves could take Wolf Guard as troops last edition as long as Logan was played as well.
Be it they got around that with his formation having 8 Elite slots the Wolf Guard are still not troops.

Eldercaveman wrote:




Is this from the iBook preview?

Yes.

Though credit goes to Warhams-77 (i think) for finding it (as far as dakka goes).

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
There will no doubt be a death company, assault marine and sang guard formation(s) that allow them to be troops

Nope. There's one special detachment and one formation in the book. Go dig about 10-15 pages back and you'll find them mentioned on a screenshot somewhere. IIRC, they were called something like BA Battle Company (the detachment) and BA Strike Force (the formation).

Eldercaveman wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Ghaz was shoved into the LoW slot for Orks,

and no matter how iconic he is his stats just don't match up to the 'big' stuff that you can take in that slot,

so I see no reason why Seth wouldn't be a LoW in this

(maybe a LoW you only choose if you don't actually plan to have a real LoW because you don't have the spare points, but a LoW none the less)

To be perfectly fair...

With Sang Priests going to HQ...

I suppose Seth frees up his HQ slot by going to LOW?

BONUS!

Why would Seth be a LOW?

My money is on the Sanguinor getting beefed up and moved to LOW slot.

Well, since your money is there already, please feel free to send me my Codex on Saturday . Cheers.

I found it in the itunes webstore and guessed the URL of its larger 960x960 version which I posted here. This screenshot is not confirming Seth and Dante as LoW




Breakingstick has explained it here:

breakingstick wrote:
He is a good hand to hand fighter but he is not a lord of war. People are really misunderstanding how the app the works. Since nothing is selected it is not showing a LOW screen. It is showing the two guys that the user has moved into possible use.

Regarding formations, is Shield of Baal III teasered on the last page of the Deathstorm Campaign book like SR III was in Stormclaw?

If anyome can find any more Spanish pages I can do translations as I did for the SW release.

I removed the links as it was already posted on page 86

In regards to the force or swap comments. Space Marine Captains still swap Bikes from fast to troops. (Which would be amazing, and right From GW playbook, if the BA Captain with a jump pack moved Assault Marines from fast to troop.) It would make BA players buy captain models. Something which many didn't do before because he was the worse space marine character out of all of the space marine books, IMO.

 Coyote81 wrote:
In regards to the force or swap comments. Space Marine Captains still swap Bikes from fast to troops. (Which would be amazing, and right From GW playbook, if the BA Captain with a jump pack moved Assault Marines from fast to troop.) It would make BA players buy captain models. Something which many didn't do before because he was the worse space marine character out of all of the space marine books, IMO.

It'd be nice if that was applied to the BA HQ's in general; i.e. Chaplains, Librarians, Sanguinary Priests (if the rumor is true), and Captains take JPs then ASM's move from FA to Troops. It'd let ASM heavy BA players play the way they wanted to while keeping it fluffy.