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BrianDavion wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I almost wonder if the box will at least have head options. The two non-sergeant Eliminators have different heads, but the same body. So there is probably two different heads for them to choose from, since they are likely on duplicate sprues. So that might make the Eliminators okay for me.

So I am probably going to pick up the SM half on eBay, but leave the heads off the guys without helmets until the regular kits come out. That way I can put real heads on them, since the kits tend to come with extras anyway.

well if they're anything like the dark imperium minis it's childs play to swap differant heads on them. as they gave a depression for a standard Marine head.

I'm sure but it almost seems like they might have the heads to do it in the Box itself rather than having to have me wait until the regular parts built kits come out so I can steal heads out of there. The Phobos helmets are need enough, so I don't want to end up putting regular mark teb helmets on them. I'm hoping that the infiltrator Sergeant has a helmet on his hip so I can cut that off and put it on his head.

GW has said themselves that the first waves of primaris will be much more plain to allow them to have room for more gothic and stylized primaris units and elite-chapter variants later on.

You can't ask for Sanguinary guard's gothic level in the basic primaris kits and then complaint when the proper elite-primaris are absolutely silly.

A basic bolter tactical marine isn't any less scify-looking than a Intercessor. Only the Darth Vader Helmet and the purity seals that you chose to put into him.

As Crimsom said, everything in clean, Ultramarine colors looks much more "sci-fi" or "infinity". Paint those same flying guys with autocannons in old gritty FW paintstyle and you'll see the inmense differente it makes.


Also, the Chaos release is gonna be big

anyone seen the other rules GW mentioned in shadowspear like the WL traits etc
also:
4chan never disappoints

Yeah so many unanswered Daemon Engine pics. It's looking to be a full CSM reboot

Primaris:

Captain: I'll either give him a proper camoline like the Eliminators or just remove the cloak.
Librarian: I don't really like laced jerkin over his armor or the leather gloves; but its a really nice model with a good pose. He'll need some light conversion.
Suppressors: I like them but I'll using Aggressor torsos and legs instead.
Infiltrators: they look good so no problems in my book.
Eliminators: again they look great.

Chaos:

Daemon Summoner: too busy looking, and I don't run possessed so...
Greater Possessed: their both pretty ugly, but do fit with the current possessed models.
Chaos Marines: these are exactly what I was hoping for. Sadly, they'll probably just sit on the shelf since I don't take CSM any in my lists due to their rules.
Venomcrawler: I've never liked Daemon Engines, but at least its well done.
Obliterators: I have the same problem with these I do with Helbrutes; all the exposed flesh. But painting the fleshy bits dark might help though.

I'll probably just buy the Primaris half and a few sets of CSM off eBay.

 Sersi wrote:
I'll probably just buy the Primaris half and a few sets of CSM off eBay.

I'd wait 'til the real CSM kit rather than getting multiples of this kit.

 NurglesR0T wrote:

Spoiler:

 Galas wrote:
GW has said themselves that the first waves of primaris will be much more plain to allow them to have room for more gothic and stylized primaris units and elite-chapter variants later on.

You can't ask for Sanguinary guard's gothic level in the basic primaris kits and then complaint when the proper elite-primaris are absolutely silly.

A basic bolter tactical marine isn't any less scify-looking than a Intercessor. Only the Darth Vader Helmet and the purity seals that you chose to put into him.

As Crimsom said, everything in clean, Ultramarine colors looks much more "sci-fi" or "infinity". Paint those same flying guys with autocannons in old gritty FW paintstyle and you'll see the inmense differente it makes.


Also, the Chaos release is gonna be big

Yeah so many unanswered Daemon Engine pics. It's looking to be a full CSM reboot

LMAO this is a joke right? Like 5 new models. They are just releasing multiple pics of each model.

5 models are 5 new kits.

5 new kits are: Havocs, Terminators, CSM, Possessed and you even have something else. And thats basically a reboot of the CSM range.

 Galas wrote:
5 new kits are: Havocs, Terminators, CSM, Possessed and you even have something else. And thats basically a reboot of the CSM range.

We don't know that for certain though.

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:

Spoiler:

 Galas wrote:
GW has said themselves that the first waves of primaris will be much more plain to allow them to have room for more gothic and stylized primaris units and elite-chapter variants later on.

You can't ask for Sanguinary guard's gothic level in the basic primaris kits and then complaint when the proper elite-primaris are absolutely silly.

A basic bolter tactical marine isn't any less scify-looking than a Intercessor. Only the Darth Vader Helmet and the purity seals that you chose to put into him.

As Crimsom said, everything in clean, Ultramarine colors looks much more "sci-fi" or "infinity". Paint those same flying guys with autocannons in old gritty FW paintstyle and you'll see the inmense differente it makes.


Also, the Chaos release is gonna be big

Yeah so many unanswered Daemon Engine pics. It's looking to be a full CSM reboot

LMAO this is a joke right? Like 5 new models. They are just releasing multiple pics of each model.

Which is basically the entire range of old models that is in need of an update

 Galas wrote:
5 models are 5 new kits.

5 new kits are: Havocs, Terminators, CSM, Possessed and you even have something else. And thats basically a reboot of the CSM range.

yeah 5 kits can be a lot, especially if even half of em are duel kits

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Galas wrote:
5 new kits are: Havocs, Terminators, CSM, Possessed and you even have something else. And thats basically a reboot of the CSM range.

We don't know that for certain though.

I know, I know. I'm just saying that even if 3-4 of each pic is for one model, like one chaos terminator, one havoc, etc... those are enough unresolved rumor engine pics to be a good bunch of CSM kits.
Of course nuGW can make all of those to be instead single model kits for 30€ each with 0 options and screw us all over

Racerguy180 wrote:

I happen to think MKI, MKII, MKIII look very gothic. MKX armour has a couple nods to it but not really, it kinda is more Renaissance in feel.

Sure, but those are historic armours and have really only been explored with HH. The standard mark VII Isn't any more gothic than mark X.

 Galas wrote:
5 models are 5 new kits.

5 new kits are: Havocs, Terminators, CSM, Possessed and you even have something else. And thats basically a reboot of the CSM range.

I'm still doubting the new possessed kit. Those two are characters, not actual possessed. Pretty sure they will be exclusive to this box, like dark imperium is the only box where you can buy a captain in gravis armor or the guy with the bell.

WhiteDog wrote:

 Galas wrote:
5 models are 5 new kits.

5 new kits are: Havocs, Terminators, CSM, Possessed and you even have something else. And thats basically a reboot of the CSM range.

I'm still doubting the new possessed kit. Those two are characters, not actual possessed. Pretty sure they will be exclusive to this box, like dark imperium is the only box where you can buy a captain in gravis armor or the guy with the bell.

I'm hoping we'll ALSO get a new posessed kit. but yeah the greater posessed I expect will be box exclusive

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 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:

Spoiler:

 Galas wrote:
GW has said themselves that the first waves of primaris will be much more plain to allow them to have room for more gothic and stylized primaris units and elite-chapter variants later on.

You can't ask for Sanguinary guard's gothic level in the basic primaris kits and then complaint when the proper elite-primaris are absolutely silly.

A basic bolter tactical marine isn't any less scify-looking than a Intercessor. Only the Darth Vader Helmet and the purity seals that you chose to put into him.

As Crimsom said, everything in clean, Ultramarine colors looks much more "sci-fi" or "infinity". Paint those same flying guys with autocannons in old gritty FW paintstyle and you'll see the inmense differente it makes.


Also, the Chaos release is gonna be big

Yeah so many unanswered Daemon Engine pics. It's looking to be a full CSM reboot

LMAO this is a joke right? Like 5 new models. They are just releasing multiple pics of each model.

Worst case scenario, those represent 4 new kits/models plus Abaddon (multipart CSM squad, Terminator squad, Sorceror/Dark apostle, some vehicle thing). It is possible they represent 5 or 6 kits/models. More is unrealistic though.

5 kits would still be a major release!

 Galas wrote:
Of course nuGW can make all of those to be instead single model kits for 30€ each with 0 options and screw us all over

We might get 6 vaguely similar Daemon Engine kits, all of which have zero options. Chaostober!!!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Of course nuGW can make all of those to be instead single model kits for 30€ each with 0 options and screw us all over

We might get 6 vaguely similar Daemon Engine kits, all of which have zero options. Chaostober!!!

Don't you even dare to say that... a cold sweat just ran through my spine...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Of course nuGW can make all of those to be instead single model kits for 30€ each with 0 options and screw us all over

We might get 6 vaguely similar Daemon Engine kits, all of which have zero options. Chaostober!!!

To be fair, the Ork vehicles were all pretty significantly different from each other. And all pretty awesome... And really, from a modeling point of view, having six different kits to play around with does arguably offer much more potential for tinkering than having one model with a few different weapons to switch in and out, since it gives you so much more raw material.

But the ones we got don't even have a different gun per kit! They're always the same. Even the Warboss trike is always the same.

 insaniak wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Of course nuGW can make all of those to be instead single model kits for 30€ each with 0 options and screw us all over

We might get 6 vaguely similar Daemon Engine kits, all of which have zero options. Chaostober!!!

To be fair, the Ork vehicles were all pretty significantly different from each other. And all pretty awesome... And really, from a modeling point of view, having six different kits to play around with does arguably offer much more potential for tinkering than having one model with a few different weapons to switch in and out, since it gives you so much more raw material.

But then, if you think about it from a GW mould capacity perspective, instead of 6 unique buggies, they could've made one or two, plus a Tankbuster kit, Kommandos kit, and new Deffkoptas.

Don't get me wrong, I like the buggy options. But it is a shame they didn't use the release to clear out some finecast kits, and also a shame they didn't allow any options on the kits at all.

So thoughts:

Infiltrators look cool too bad about the copy paste ones. The best model in the set is probably the one throwing a smoke grenade. Which is the only character in the GW line produced thus far that is throwing a live grenade. Great modelling opporunties on just that one character alone... ( have a squad of marines with special looking bolters and equipment just need to buff up their legs and bam got 10 more infilitrators)

Eliminators look great shame we don't have more options. (though my stalker armed camo cloaked marines now I can convert to look like this)

Suppressors look like they are bouncing up and down like kids. God they are the worst units in the set. Weapons are great though would've prefered a minigun.

Captain looks fines but I rather he have a power sword of some kind for defense. Once he gets into close combat he will just die. Weapon is okay but is heavy 1, camo cloak really makes him good though, but I wish we could get more for him or an another firing round with his weapon. Needs a helmet option.

Libarian as people have said one of the best models produced for Primaris... Period.

LT looks great, shame about the helmet and the triple knife.

Chaos so far I have no complaint I love every single model. And makes me excited to start my BLack Legion finally. I've been waiting for a rerelease and I was more eagerly awaiting chaos over space marines because of their look.

Chaos Marines : look great can't wait to see the real kit
Venom Crawler : Unique and fun, love the look hope it is more useful than a defiler. Would be cool if it had a squad protection aura of somekind
Obliterator : Looks incredible can't wait to have them and they are just an upgrade of older obliterators which is great, the older ones were just termies with some fleshy bits, now they are more terrifying.
Chaos Greater Possessed : Amazing and very cool looking models. Can't wait for the next set of them.
Master of the Possessed : Hope his disciplines are fun akin to buffing Possessed or summoning more of them. Hope we get to see more stellar models.

And on the topic of new chaos models. I cannot wait to see what is coming out next. Maybe Abaddon and some of his Bringers of Despair?

Or maybe some new chaos termies?

This box is definitely a hard pass from me, as too many of the models are extremely unappealing.

Vanguard
Librarian: Fantastic, actually. The best model in the whole set by far. A lot of the ugliness and stupidity of the Phobos armour is covered up by his robes, the pose is surprisingly unique, and while they make no sense at all I actually like the leather gloves.

Captain ****wit: As a friend unkindly nicknamed him, and not without cause. Dreadful. While there are a lot of issues here, the main (and most damning) one is the legs and waist common to the Phobos armour, which are at their worst here. They have far too big a gap between them, making the legs look awkwardly attached like a shoddy action figure, and it makes the whole model look 'wrong'. It doesn't help that his pose is pretty uninspired and he's loaded down with a lot of excessive extras (like the servo skull-screen) for a supposed stealth operative.

Knife-tenant: Eh, he's ok. Doesn't appeal much to me but nowhere near as offensive as the captain. Just kind of dull, and shares a lot of the problems with...

Infiltrators: Putting aside the fact that I don't understand why these guys even exist (since Reivers seem to fill the same role?), these are awful. Not because they look bad per se, but they look generic, boring. Loaded down with 'realistic' combat gear that detracts from the Space Marine aesthetic and pulls them further away from it (and by that I don't mean being loaded down with skulls/purity seals/personal crotch reliquaries instead, either). They're just 'sci-fi soldiers', not recogniseable as the warrior-monks of a backward, theocratic Imperium, and the whole 'covert ops' schtick is better suited to the Imperial Guard, or at a stretch the Scouts/Eliminators.

Eliminators: Well, they're Primaris Scouts, which is not entirely unexpected. But it's not especially imaginative, either - thus far I had the impression that the Primaris equivalents of 'oldmarine' unit designations had a slightly different twist on them to help set them apart more. So the Helblasters, instead of being a mixed bag of heavy weapons like Devastators, were focused on a specific plasma weapon somewhere between the Gun and Cannon. Inceptors, unlike Assault Marines, were not focused on melee but instead on shooting. And Reivers (what I thought were the Primaris equivalent of Scouts) are more disruption and terror troops than recon or snipers.
All that aside, though, these actually look decent - the cloaks help cover up some of the idiocies of the armour, like with the Librarian, and for them at least some of the modern combat trappings make some more sense.

Suppressors: I liked the Inceptors, despite myself. They're a little dumb, and the guns were a bit oversized, but something about them kind of still worked. The Suppressors do not. At all. They are without doubt the worst models on the Vanguard side, and quite frankly look a complete joke. The fire hose comparison that has been made is all too accurate, they don't look capable of flight nor does anything about their posing suggest it, the guns are comically oversized, they still have the foot-stabilizer mechanisms despite being entirely not intended to come crashing meteorically down into the enemy, the sergeant is just kind of *floating there*, looking awkwardly in a different direction to his gun..the list is nigh endless. Not a single thing about these looks good, or fitting. Not a *single* thing.

Daemonkin
Master of Possession: As comical as he is, I'm not entirely against flying, flaming Skeletor here. He's a decent enough Sorcerer, if one were to remove the excess torches from his backpack. Pretty good.

Greater Possessed: I am not a fan of these at all, and even more disappointed that they arnt a full unit of 'normal' Possessed (even though the current plastics are really good and don't exactly need replacing). In fairness, the shoulder-tackling one is just mediocre; inoffensive, just kind of 'meh', with a goofy face and oversized arms, but he could be salvaged with some conversion work. The other one is an abomination, and not in the way he should be. He's quite a remarkable step back towards the Gary Morley metal ones that people would rather forget, and there's really nothing good here that could be rescued. The pose is bad, the arms are bad, the armour-turning-into-a-sports-bra is bad. Rubbish.

Chaos Marines: Good, actually. Very much in the style of the Dark Vengeance Chosen, which is both a blessing and a curse. They look good, but are a little too 'gribbled' and ornate, which could make painting them something of a tricky chore for what are core troops. Though arguably Chaos Marines are far more intended to look this way than their Loyalist brethren, and the fact that no two models are duplicated (unlike the Infiltrators) is a big plus. Probably the overall winners of the box (since the Librarian is one superb model, while these are ten great ones).

Venomcrawler: A decent enough design idea, and very much an improvement over the Dinobots in terms of being a daemon engine...but at the same time, it's no Defiler (which, sans the goofy little head, is one of my favourite kits ever), and the face just isn't quite right, crossing that line from creepy into comical. I'd probably want to trim back on the spikes on it as well, since it already suffers from 'over-gribble'. Shame the rules seem a little underwhelming...

Obliterators: Oh dear sweet merciful lord, burn them with fire. Awful. Eye-offendingly awful, an affront to even the old metals (which weren't amazing) or the tons of third-party versions that exist. They've gone full "Helbrute" with these things, turning them from weapon-mutated Terminators into dumb, idiotically hulking monsters more reminiscent of the godawful Centurions than their own design origin. Their armour contrasts far too much with the 'fleshy' parts (not just the paintjob, either), completely breaking down the meshing of the two that is *supposed* to be their entire design premise, instead looking like space Ogres with ill-fitting chunks of armour on. The guns look entirely tacked on and unintegrated, and they've got the ****ing stupid 'head inside a mouth' rubbish that the "Helbrute" (can you tell I refuse to call Chaos Dreadnoughts by that name in polite conversation?) does. I *hate* them utterly, and find them the worst models not just on the Chaos side, but in the whole damn box.


Overall, ithis set is not something worth throwing down even half (by splitting with a friend) of the asking price for.

Whats up with everybody doing unit per unit review of the models? Have I miss something?

All I'm saying is don't get your hopes up, because you will probably find them dashed on the rocks.

Hell when I saw 2 spells from Malefic Discipline, my immediate thought was "Did they recycle 6 old spells or actually create new ones?"

The simple fact is when something is good and you know it you don't hype it up because you don't need to, it will sell because its it's good. When something kinda sucks you post 30 pictures of pieces of the models to make it seem like your releasing a bunch of stuff when in all actuality your releasing 4 new kits. Which can't really be used as dual kits because all the heavy weapons are the same pose, or the model doesn't have a mirror kit.

 Galas wrote:
Whats up with everybody doing unit per unit review of the models? Have I miss something?

I did it mostly as a joke

But i think it is because everyone wants to review it in some capacity though the myraids of people here its bound to happen.

Nothing wrong with it.

We could do a voting forum if we want to see what is the most liked models. (not a dakka forum but like a survey monkey or something) and everyone here would probably love that.

 Galas wrote:
Whats up with everybody doing unit per unit review of the models? Have I miss something?

It's fun! Given how long this thread has gone on and the endless nonsense it has dredged up surely you remember the concept of fun at the very least?

Not convinced the new Oblits are better. Even with +1T, +1W and 6 shots, it looks like they're also substantially more expensive.
I've seen a leak of the datasheet and they are Power Level 6 for 1 Oblit.

That's right, you can take them in units of 1 again. But they've got to be close to twice the cost not considering the were PL10 for 3 model.
At PL6 per model, they've got to be at least 110-125ppm.

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 Galef wrote:
Not convinced the new Oblits are better. Even with +1T, +1W and 6 shots, it looks like they're also substantially more expensive.
I've seen a leak of the datasheet and they are Power Level 6 for 1 Oblit.

That's right, you can take them in units of 1 again. But they've got to be close to twice the cost not considering the were PL10 for 3 model.
At PL6 per model, they've got to be at least 110-125ppm.

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I think their place will change from "Drop a unit of 9 and kill whatever you are shooting at" to maybe a couple of units of 1 to drop, kill something weaker and then cap objetives or something.

Will they be good enough at that? We'll see. But I doubt theyll cost 110-130ppm, thats entering Dreadnought territory.