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in the new rule you can run on a role of d6. i was wandering if this scenario is allowed.

khorne move 6 inches, then role to run, they run 6 inches, then role to fleet, they fleet 6 inches, and then asssault six inches.

its just a bit weird like how they can move 24 inches in one turn. thats the speed of a bike using turbo boosters!

Berzerkers aren't fleet, so they can't assault after running. Even if they could, that is only 18'' of movement anyway. Fleet and run are the same action, it is just called fleet if the model has fleet of foot rule, in which case it can assault after the run roll.

Nope, Khorne Zerkers dont have fleet. So, they can move 6 inches, they can then either shoot and try to assault, or they can run (d6) and thats it.

I think the Zerkers may have had fleet under the old rules, but the new codex removed that.

So the key is - Land Raider them 12 inches, deploy 2 inches away, and then assault 6 inches. thats a 20 inch assault range.

so not bad.

i have the newest codex and it says they can fleet. and also, i thought running is a completely different thing to fleeting?

Hrm this is the cover of the current:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1620071&prodId=prod1095094

Is this the one you have? If the answer is yes, I better have a good look at my rules, I seriously thought they didnt have fleet in this one!

In any case, yes, running is different from fleet, but they interact.

Almost all units may run. This means they may run d6 inches extra in the shooting phase, instead of shooting.
If they do not have the special rule of 'fleet', these units may not assault in that turn.
If they do have fleet, they may continue to assault in that turn (meaning they move 6 in movement, d6 in shooting and assault 6).

I think you're confusing Fleet with Furious Charge. They couldn't fleet in the previous codex either.

no. i just checked the rules, (which by the way, is the one shown above,) and they have the special rules, fleet, furious charge and fearless! are you sure you have got your facts right and/or the right codex?

I actually had to look at my codex when I read this to double check lol. But I have it in front of me right now and Khorne Berzerker special rules are Mark of Khorne, Fearless, and furious charge. But to answer the actual question that was initially posted no you cannot run and fleet as stated before since when you fleet you are running its just with fleet you are alowed to assault. You cannot do the same action twice.

sorry. i was getting my info from the 4th edition. after i looked at the 5th edition i realised that.however i still think beserkers have fleet. it would make sense, wouldnt it?

Bezerkers don't have fleet, (unless you're in apoc with the malestrom of gore datasheet). Also check up how fleet works now.

mrnecron wrote:sorry. i was getting my info from the 4th edition. after i looked at the 5th edition i realised that.however i still think beserkers have fleet. it would make sense, wouldnt it?

You of course mean 3.5 as the pictured codex is 4E's Renegade Marine dex, we don't have a 5E book yet, other wise I'm sure we'd be complaining alot more about loss of stuff.

mrnecron wrote:sorry. i was getting my info from the 4th edition. after i looked at the 5th edition i realised that.however i still think beserkers have fleet. it would make sense, wouldnt it?

What? The old Berzerkers did not have Fleet. I've got my codex right here. Models with the Mark of Khorne (Berzerkers, whether normal ones, Termies, characters or otherwise) have compulsory movement on a D6 roll of 1-2, Fearless, +1 attack, must Sweeping Advance if possible, Khornate characters cannot join units that are not marked (and vice versa) and characters may take equipment from the Khorne armoury.

Sorry, op, but you are 100% unequivocally wrong.

Khorne Berserkers have never had Fleet in any way shape or form at any time ever. In the Original 3rd edition codex, they didn't, In the later 3rd Edition Codex, they didn't (though they had Blood Frenzy, but that was a totally different rule) and in the most current codex they do not have fleet.

Gwar, Cheese, and Reaver are right, berzerkers do not have and have never had fleet of foot, and fleet of foot does not allow you to run twice per turn, you can run once and then assault. I have no idea what book you're reading that gives them fleet, but it isn't published by GW.

Fleet no longer provides any movement.

BrotherStynier:

The last Codex: Chaos Space Marines is the 5th edition codex, despite being published during the dying days of 4th edition. Like Codex: Orks it was designed to be backwards compatible with 4th edition while fitting the 5th edition rules.

coredump wrote:Fleet no longer provides any movement.

And that's the thing to remember. You can Run instead of shooting. Models with the Fleet rule may assault after running (as long as nothing else prevents it, ofc).

Darkreaver55 wrote:Berzerkers aren't fleet, so they can't assault after running. Even if they could, that is only 18'' of movement anyway. Fleet and run are the same action, it is just called fleet if the model has fleet of foot rule, in which case it can assault after the run roll.

not true, fleet is an ability that allows a model to charge after it has ran. It does not confer extra movement and is not the same thing as running. A lot of people still use fleet as per 4th edition rules, telling their opponent they are fleeting and rolling a d6, when in fact they are running. So, no a berserker can only move 6" and charge 6" if an enemy is within charge range, giving them a 12" threat range. As opposed to say a model with fleet who can move 6" run for d6" and charge if a model is withing range, giving them a possible 18" threat range. I have no idea how the OP got 24".

As far as the land raider you can actually move 21" when you deploy out of the landraider the rear of the base has to be within 2" and since the base is 1" wide and that effectively gives you a 3" deployment 12" move and a 6" charge all for 21".

Gwar! wrote:Sorry, op, but you are 100% unequivocally wrong.

Gwar! wrote:Sorry, op, but you are 100% unequivocally wrong.

Khorne Berserkers have never had Fleet in any way shape or form at any time ever. In the Original 3rd edition codex, they didn't, In the later 3rd Edition Codex, they didn't (though they had Blood Frenzy, but that was a totally different rule) and in the most current codex they do not have fleet.

Those sentences contradict each other. Blood Frenzy does count as being "Fleet in any way shape or form". Not all three but pick one or two of the three of the following: way, shape, or form

Canonness Rory wrote:Gwar, Cheese, and Reaver are right, berzerkers do not have and have never had fleet of foot, and fleet of foot does not allow you to run twice per turn, you can run once and then assault. I have no idea what book you're reading that gives them fleet, but it isn't published by GW.

Hold on. With a little scotch tape, a printer, and creative ruling, I can make any codex show a unit having fleet.
Unfortunately, even with creative codex crafting, Khorne Berzerks still can't fleet...

Blood frenzy was not fleet, and is not like fleet from 4th ed as it happens in the movement phase; fleet run rolls happened in shooting.

I am really unsure how the OP managed to read "fleet" in the current codex: it really, really does not say that.

im sorry about this pointless debate. although it was a good learning process for me.
i realised that i was getting the fleet information, (d6 roll and run and assault thing,) from the 4th ed rule book.
i somehow got it into my head that beserkers can fleet. i think the owner of the club i went to got his rules mixed up and in effect, mixed me up.

sorry again.

There you go, lesson learned: read the rulebook carefully before asking questions.

Second lesson: On your keyboard is a key labeled "shift". If you press that at the same time as you press a letter key, that letter's shape changes. Once changed, these letters are what are called "upper case letters", "capital letters", "majuscules" or "caps".

In English, we use them every time we start a sentence, when citing proper names, or use acronyms. Sometimes people try to use them for emphasis, BY WRITING ENTIRELY IN ALL-CAPS, but this is only done by idiots and is the textual equivalent of shouting when you should be using your indoor voice. Use italics instead. All in all, use a combination of upper and lower case to make your posts not only legible, but pleasant to read as well.

Nurglitch wrote:BrotherStynier:

The last Codex: Chaos Space Marines is the 5th edition codex, despite being published during the dying days of 4th edition. Like Codex: Orks it was designed to be backwards compatible with 4th edition while fitting the 5th edition rules.

What about it was written for 5th?

The Crazed! rule of Chaos Dreadnoughts, the Blood Rage results states that the Dreadnought gains the Fleet rule and must run during the Shooting phase.

Blight Grenades are listed as Defensive Grenades.

Nurglitch wrote:There you go, lesson learned: read the rulebook carefully before asking questions.

Second lesson: On your keyboard is a key labeled "shift". If you press that at the same time as you press a letter key, that letter's shape changes. Once changed, these letters are what are called "upper case letters", "capital letters", "majuscules" or "caps".

In English, we use them every time we start a sentence, when citing proper names, or use acronyms. Sometimes people try to use them for emphasis, BY WRITING ENTIRELY IN ALL-CAPS, but this is only done by idiots and is the textual equivalent of shouting when you should be using your indoor voice. Use italics instead. All in all, use a combination of upper and lower case to make your posts not only legible, but pleasant to read as well.

While I understand and even appreciate your desire to 'educate' people in proper online forum etiquette, I think this was wholly inappropriate (and rather ironic, I might add). Not only was it unnecessarily rude but also very pretentious and condescending. If you intended anyone to read this and say "Good idea, I'm glad he pointed it out!" (which is what I would assume was your intention) then I would wager you failed.

If, on the other hand, your intention was to try and make someone feel stupid, small and unwelcome, then I think you probably succeeded.

DoW

EDIT: Spelling.

Nurglitch wrote:The Crazed! rule of Chaos Dreadnoughts, the Blood Rage results states that the Dreadnought gains the Fleet rule and must run during the Shooting phase.

Blight Grenades are listed as Defensive Grenades.

Okay.

You don't want to be running those berzerkers around the board anyway. No one will be letting you get into assault range with them.

If you move them up in a rhino they'll get shot up after disembarking.

The only way to really get good use out of berzerkers is by putting them in a land raider with demonic possesion to make sure they get where they need to be and can charge the turn they disembark. They make for a mean shock unit and a good addition to most CSM builds.

Im not a big fan of rhinos bu i will try the land raider thing.

Second lesson: On your keyboard is a key labeled "shift". If you press that at the same time as you press a letter key, that letter's shape changes. Once changed, these letters are what are called "upper case letters", "capital letters", "majuscules" or "caps".

In English, we use them every time we start a sentence, when citing proper names, or use acronyms. Sometimes people try to use them for emphasis, BY WRITING ENTIRELY IN ALL-CAPS, but this is only done by idiots and is the textual equivalent of shouting when you should be using your indoor voice. Use italics instead. All in all, use a combination of upper and lower case to make your posts not only legible, but pleasant to read

That comment was completely pointless and frankly i dont care about punctuation on a chat website. Anyway, why should you care if i do capitals or not.

Anyway, im starting a khorne army, im thinking some possessed or another defiler, or maybe more khorne to get next. What do you think i should get from personal experience?