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Why does he keep using "i" :(

That makes me a Saaaaaaad Panda

Thank you to Nurglitch however i still do not like gwar. Im sorry if i have offended you, however if you look at this thread from a different perspective than ours its quite funny how the topic of the khorne berserker's fleet/run topic has evolved/devolved to this.lol

mrnecron wrote:however i still do not like gwar.

I am so saddened

nosferatu1001 wrote:You really, really need to read your codex: defilers are vehicles and cannot take marks.

They can in Codex: Defiler Kingdoms.

Nurglitch wrote:So I would publicly like to apologize to mrnecron for 'nagging' him about the way he posts. I'm sorry, I shouldn't have derailed this thread when nitpicking at silly irrelevant details, rather than addressing your question.

It's very hard to apologize sincerely - especially in a public setting - so my respect for Nurglitch has risen considerably.
(Not that my opinion is terribly important in the grand scheme of things, but I figured credit was due.)

And yes, if I know there's a transport full of Berzerkers coming at me, that transport will have a very high priority on my kill list. A Landraider will make it much more likely that it will get close enough to disgorge some nasties to butcher my guardsmen.

DoW

One thing to point out: being 18 IS being an adult, and quite frankly CS4 is...well, it makes it as easy for you as possible.

One way to do it is to a) use cover and fire lanes to get 4+ saves on your vehicles (of just simply block LOS: rhinios arent that tall!) or b) have many rhinos with bezerkers coming at you. I run 3: run them forwards, pop smoke, using 2 to block one from the opponents shooting. This can give you a 14" bubble for next turn....

Thanks for the tips, but how do you feel about outflanking them?

Mod:

Not to derail the thread...

What Nurglitch said about Dakka's grammar policy is correct.

It's not because we are grammar nazis, though of course lots of us are because we are too old.

The real reason is that the forum has an international readership. Many users are not native English speakers and rely on good grammar and spelling to work out the meaning of posts.

That was just a public service announcement. Now let's return to the topic.

Kilkrazy wrote:Mod:
Not to derail the thread...
What Nurglitch said about Dakka's grammar policy is correct.
It's not because we are grammar nazis, though of course lots of us are because we are too old.
The real reason is that the forum has an international readership. Many users are not native English speakers and rely on good grammar and spelling to work out the meaning of posts.
That was just a public service announcement. Now let's return to the topic.

Absolutely. But the politeness and tone of your post throws into sharp relief that which I objected to in his. I think we can all agree that it's possible to say things that are absolutely correct in very unpleasant and condescending ways.

I'm all for non-MOD folks helping others out when they aren't abiding by the forum rules, but what's stopping them from doing it nicely? Isn't that part of the rules too?

DoW

Ok. I'm going to set this straight. I'm sorry if i offended anyone on tis thread and i am going to put more effort into my grammar. Back to the topic. How do you feel about outflanking the khorne berserker's.

How would you out flank with them? They don't have the Scout or Infiltrate special rule, infact only Chosen have infiltrate and possessed only get scouts if you roll it.

So I'd say you can't outflank them.

May I ask, have you read the rules?

Yeah how on earth are you outflanking them? As BrotherStynier said have you read the rules?

So far you've showed an almost diabolical lack of rules understanding and I think before you take your toy soldiers out next you should possibly re read the entire rule book, then do so again untill you actually understand how it works!

Oh shut the hell up. Now your just being mean!

And telling someone to "shut the hell up" isn't being mean?

They are correct, you cannot outflank berzerkers, and the very fact that you thought you could, or that they could fleet, or that fleet let you run twice, has demonstrated a sub-par understanding of the rules on your part. The best advice I can give you, before telling you anything about tactics, is to go back, re-read the 5th edition rulebook, and your chaos codex. They will help you more than we possible could.

I'm so excited by the imminent re-release of Space Hulk that I'm inclined to be generous,
so, for the LAST time:

Alpharius wrote:

unistoo wrote:

mrnecron wrote:That comment was completely pointless and frankly i dont care about punctuation on a chat website. Anyway, why should you care if i do capitals or not.

Perhaps you should read the Dakka posting guidelines:

"Please remember that posting and reading online is a visual format and as such the spelling, grammar and look of your posts is the only way others understand what you are saying. Therefore, in order to be polite, all users are expected to make an effort to use proper spelling, grammar and punctuation and should refrain from using internet shorthand or other distracting methods of writing, such as writing a post completely bolded, with capital letters, in a strange color, etc."

Ugh.

YES, the above is true.

And so is this:

DakkaDakka wrote:Rule 1: Be Polite
This seems obvious, however many folks can sometimes forget that common courtesy goes a long way to lending respect to both you and your opinions. Just because you don't see the other users' faces doesn't mean they don't have feelings and won't be hurt by rude comments or offensive images. When you see something that you find silly, rude or insulting first assume that perhaps there is more to it than you initially thought. Look at it again, keeping in mind that tone and inflection is difficult to convey in a visual format. It may be that the person is attempting a joke or is exaggerating on purpose. It is best to politely request clarification before accusing someone being ignorant, a liar, or worse.

Remember that we have users of all ages and that Dakka should be a welcoming place for everyone to enjoy.

Further clarification, if necessary, can be found here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/core/forum_rules.jsp

There have been MANY instances in this thread which could warrant a warning and/or suspension.

Everyone needs to CALM DOWN, immediately.

I apologize if I was rude, I didn't mean to come off so harsh.

I too Apologise if i was rude

Uhm...is this becoming Warseer/BnC?

The mod team seems very heavy handed and ever present in this thread for some reason...

Anyway, I'm going to disagree with augustus5 about Land Raiders. Rhino's make perfect delivery systems for berzerkers, as you can have 4 squads of zerkers in rhinos for the same points as 2 squads of zerkers in land raiders. More is always better, especially when you are talking about an army that only consists of 3x Land Raiders and 3x berzerker squads. You don't have alot of counters with that list.

Back to rhinos. There is nothing stopping you from driving the rhinos up and turning them in one turn (since their side armor is 11), popping smoke, and then in the next turn have the berzerkers disembark and assault.

I did this to great effect in a local tourney yesterday. Maybe I'll post a battle report.

I distinctly remember a member of dakka saying this...

You can also let Berserker's have Fleet or give Orks a 2+ Save if you and your opponent agree to it. As such, I omitted it from my post as adding "Unless you and your opponent agree otherwise" to every single sentence would just draw things out.

So actually, my friend and i allow khorne berserker's to have fleet and outflank so please can you just give me tips. I'm sorry i didn't give you the full details and i know you were trying not to mislead me but lets stay on topic shall we.

Rhinos make for cheaper transports, but Landraiders are always the better transport. You are going to lose more squads and Rhinos, but you have more left, compared to losing less Landraiders and Berserkers with the latter. With the latter you give out less KPs. This doesn't mean Rhinos are bad, just worse than Landraiders.

The problem I have with Berserkers is that they aren't great Troops. Troops need to take and hold objectives. Berserkers are amazing at half of that, and nearly useless on the other half. This means you can't rely soley on Berserkers for your Troops. I recommend Khorne marked CSM. They have all the shooting of a Tac squad, better close combat than an Assault Squad (for fending off assaults) and run at about the same price as Berserkers. In a KP mission, they have the versitility of being able to help the Berserkers in Assault or provide cover fire. You'll have to look at the rest of your list and see though.

EDIT: Alright, if they have fleet, you do all of the above except that they have a larger assault radius now. Cool beans, but it doesn't really change how the unit functions. I don't know why any opponent would agree to that without bumping the Berserkers price up by like 4 PPM though. You also wouldn't be able to do that in a tournament or against anyone who wasn't a friend of yours.

mrnecron wrote:I distinctly remember a member of dakka saying this...

You can also let Berserker's have Fleet or give Orks a 2+ Save if you and your opponent agree to it. As such, I omitted it from my post as adding "Unless you and your opponent agree otherwise" to every single sentence would just draw things out.

So actually, my friend and i allow khorne berserker's to have fleet and outflank so please can you just give me tips. I'm sorry i didn't give you the full details and i know you were trying not to mislead me but lets stay on topic shall we.

Gwar's point (the guy you have quoted) was that it's your game and you can decide to change the rules however you want. Absolutely however you want. If the way that you and your friends play your game, Berzerkers have fleet and are able to outflank, then they can, and that's that.

The second, implied point in Gwar's post is that the majority of people in this forum don't add or subtract rules from the game system. In our game system, Berzerker's can't fleet, and they can't outflank. So asking advice about that is like asking us what is our favorite way to change the tires on our vegetable-powered Heliboats; in our world these things don't exist and we don't spend any time thinking about it.

If you add things like what you've suggested to your game, then that's great and I hope it works for you. When asking about balance or tactics, though, you should discuss that solely with your gaming friends because they're the ones you're going to have to play with and who will have to be 'okay' with how much stronger the resulting units are.

mrnecron wrote:I distinctly remember a member of dakka saying this...

You can also let Berserker's have Fleet or give Orks a 2+ Save if you and your opponent agree to it. As such, I omitted it from my post as adding "Unless you and your opponent agree otherwise" to every single sentence would just draw things out.

So actually, my friend and i allow khorne berserker's to have fleet and outflank so please can you just give me tips. I'm sorry i didn't give you the full details and i know you were trying not to mislead me but lets stay on topic shall we.

Y'know, what you are saying here may be true. But it does not have the ring of truth to it. If it were, you would have started with "My friends and I use Fleet for Bezerkers" Instead, you kept insisting it was in the codex, in the 5E codex, in the 4E codex, etc etc.

Only when called on it, several times, have you brought this story out as a reason.

mrnecron wrote:

So actually, my friend and i allow khorne berserker's to have fleet and outflank...

mrnecron wrote:
i have the newest codex and it says they can fleet. and also, i thought running is a completely different thing to fleeting?

So did you read they had fleet or was it something you and your friend agreed since you started this post?

Mod:

There are a lot of alerts coming in from this thread.

I'm sorry, Kilkrazy, I just can't play nice. You're going to have to send her over to sort me out...

I'm afraid it's the only way.

DoW

DogOfWar wrote:I'm sorry, Kilkrazy, I just can't play nice. You're going to have to send her over to sort me out...

I'm afraid it's the only way.

DoW

her? sorry but that's a ladyboy ... still he's on his way

Tri wrote:

DogOfWar wrote:I'm sorry, Kilkrazy, I just can't play nice. You're going to have to send her over to sort me out...

I'm afraid it's the only way.

DoW

her? sorry but that's a ladyboy ... still he's on his way

-Gwar Intercepts-

Send him/her over to me, then. I don't mind.

Gwar! wrote:

Tri wrote:

DogOfWar wrote:I'm sorry, Kilkrazy, I just can't play nice. You're going to have to send her over to sort me out...

I'm afraid it's the only way.

DoW

her? sorry but that's a ladyboy ... still he's on his way

-Gwar Intercepts-

Gwar! to the rescue!

It's been a long time though, to be fair, so I think I would've let her 'counts as'...

DoW