khorne beserkers 5th edition

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**augustus5**

The khorne army I run with right now is not the most competitive build but its not the pits either.

At 1850 pts. I run:

2x Demon prince, wings and Mark of Khorne

2x 10 berzerkers with 2 plasma pistols, 1 upgraded to skull champ with power fist and melta bombs

1x 10 berzerkers with 2 plasma pistols, 1 upgraded to skull champ with power fist

3 land raiders with demonic possesion

**Canonness Rory**

mrnecron wrote:

Edited for length

That comment was completely pointless and frankly i dont care about punctuation on a chat website. Anyway, why should you care if i do capitals or not.

Anyway, im starting a khorne army, im thinking some possessed or another defiler, or maybe more khorne to get next. What do you think i should get from personal experience?

An education.

**Reaver83**

When I do bring my WE out from their box I tend to run 3-4 squads of Bezerkers + champ in rhinos. I'm a big believer in them, as it gets them to the right place, and with EA they'll keep moving. Yes you may get charged, but then a second squad comes on and knocks them back.

I normally have a LR with 5 Khornate Termi's (4 with LC's one with CF+HF) and depending on my mood, it's oblits or defiler/vindicator.

Oh and kharn's a nice HQ

**mrnecron**

I already have some khorne stuff.

kharn the betrayer,

29 khorne bezerkers,

defiler with mark of khorne,

5 termies with mark of khorne,

chaos lord with lightning claws and mark of khorne. I think a daemon prince would make a nice addition but how do all you feel about possessed. Would the be a nice addition to my army or not?

**Tri**

Possessed are over priced and not worth it (you'd be better of taking Fabius Bile and enhancing a squad of CSM). Being fair to them they can get nice things and the odds of them getting some thing good is ok (1/3 great 1/3 good 1/3 wast of space) but most people like to know what they're getting.

I mean...
...spend 4pts more you get a Chaos Terminator he gets a power weapon and a gun and 2 attacks

...spend 8pts less and take more chosen still 2 attacks (this time for having 2 CC weapons) and 4 of them can take Special CC weapons. But you could just take 5 Flamer/meltaguns (/plasmaguns but that's a risk I don't like)

**Lordhat**

mrnecron wrote:

That comment was completely pointless and frankly i dont care about punctuation on a chat website. Anyway, why should you care if i do capitals or not.

While I agree that the harshness of Nurglitch's post was unnecessary, I would like to point you to my signature... it'll help you to understand why he posted what he did.

**frgsinwntr**

I think it's time to move this to another forum as it is no longer a rules question.

**Gwar!**

Lordhat wrote:While I agree that the harshness of Nurglitch's post was unnecessary, I would like to point you to my signature... it'll help you to understand why he posted what he did.

Is it because he agrees with me? Because I certainly agree with him in this instance

**unistoo**

mrnecron wrote:That comment was completely pointless and frankly i dont care about punctuation on a chat website. Anyway, why should you care if i do capitals or not.

Perhaps you should read the Dakka posting guidelines:

"Please remember that posting and reading online is a visual format and as such the spelling, grammar and look of your posts is the only way others understand what you are saying. Therefore, in order to be polite, all users are expected to make an effort to use proper spelling, grammar and punctuation and should refrain from using internet shorthand or other distracting methods of writing, such as writing a post completely bolded, with capital letters, in a strange color, etc."

**kirsanth**

Gwar! wrote:
Lordhat wrote:While I agree that the harshness of Nurglitch's post was unnecessary, I would like to point you to my signature... it'll help you to understand why he posted what he did.
Is it because he agrees with me? Because I certainly agree with him in this instance

I think that about covers it.

**Alpharius**

unistoo wrote:
mrnecron wrote:That comment was completely pointless and frankly i dont care about punctuation on a chat website. Anyway, why should you care if i do capitals or not.
Perhaps you should read the Dakka posting guidelines:

"Please remember that posting and reading online is a visual format and as such the spelling, grammar and look of your posts is the only way others understand what you are saying. Therefore, in order to be polite, all users are expected to make an effort to use proper spelling, grammar and punctuation and should refrain from using internet shorthand or other distracting methods of writing, such as writing a post completely bolded, with capital letters, in a strange color, etc."

Ugh.

YES, the above is true.

And so is this:

DakkaDakka wrote:Rule 1: Be Polite
This seems obvious, however many folks can sometimes forget that common courtesy goes a long way to lending respect to both you and your opinions. Just because you don't see the other users' faces doesn't mean they don't have feelings and won't be hurt by rude comments or offensive images. When you see something that you find silly, rude or insulting first assume that perhaps there is more to it than you initially thought. Look at it again, keeping in mind that tone and inflection is difficult to convey in a visual format. It may be that the person is attempting a joke or is exaggerating on purpose. It is best to politely request clarification before accusing someone being ignorant, a liar, or worse.

Remember that we have users of all ages and that Dakka should be a welcoming place for everyone to enjoy.

Further clarification, if necessary, can be found here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/core/forum_rules.jsp

There have been MANY instances in this thread which could warrant a warning and/or suspension.

Everyone needs to CALM DOWN, immediately.

**unistoo**

What I wrote may have come across as brusque - for which I apologize, it was not my intention to be so - he asked "why [he] should care" and I just wanted to point out why he should.

Perhaps I need to throw in a few more smileys

**nosferatu1001**

mrnecron wrote:
29 khorne bezerkers,

You really, really need to read your codex: defilers are vehicles and cannot take marks.

**BlackSpike**

augustus5 wrote:You don't want to be running those berzerkers around the board anyway. No one will be letting you get into assault range with them.

If you move them up in a rhino they'll get shot up after disembarking.

The only way to really get good use out of berzerkers is by putting them in a land raider with demonic possesion to make sure they get where they need to be and can charge the turn they disembark. They make for a mean shock unit and a good addition to most CSM builds.

Is the following possible:

Turn 1: Charge Rhino forwards into position. Keep front armour towards enemy guns. Use Smoke Launchers.
Turn 2: Pivot Rhino so hatches are near enemy troops (Does not count as moving). Disembark 'zerkers. Charge foes.

**DarkHound**

At Nosferatu: He has the 3.5rd (say that out loud) edition codex and 4th edition rulebook apparently.

At Black Spike: Yes.

**Gwar!**

DarkHound wrote:At Nosferatu: He has the 3.5rd (say that out loud)

I normally say "Three Point Five Ed" (as I play DnD too) but I suppose it could be said "Three point Five-erd?

**DarkHound**

I was going for "third point five," although it isn't shown in the spelling for the sake of ones sanity. 3rd.5? IRRELEVANT.

**unistoo**

BlackSpike wrote:Is the following possible:

Turn 1: Charge Rhino forwards into position. Keep front armour towards enemy guns. Use Smoke Launchers.
Turn 2: Pivot Rhino so hatches are near enemy troops (Does not count as moving). Disembark 'zerkers. Charge foes.

No, pivoting is movement for disembarking (see BGB p.67)

**mrnecron**

Couldn't you move. In the shooting faze, pivot and then disembark?

**Reaver83**

Congratulations on the attempt at punctuation, little more effort needed though. Pivoting is in the movement phase

**Gwar!**

As is disembarking

**mrnecron**

Ok my pointlessly arguing friends/enemies.

Move, then pivot, then disembark. Happy now.

**unistoo**

mrnecron wrote:Ok my pointlessly arguing friends/enemies.

Move, then pivot, then disembark. Happy now.

You can, but you can't then assault, though you can still shoot.

**augustus5**

BlackSpike wrote:
augustus5 wrote:You don't want to be running those berzerkers around the board anyway. No one will be letting you get into assault range with them.

If you move them up in a rhino they'll get shot up after disembarking.

The only way to really get good use out of berzerkers is by putting them in a land raider with demonic possesion to make sure they get where they need to be and can charge the turn they disembark. They make for a mean shock unit and a good addition to most CSM builds.

Is the following possible:

Turn 1: Charge Rhino forwards into position. Keep front armour towards enemy guns. Use Smoke Launchers.
Turn 2: Pivot Rhino so hatches are near enemy troops (Does not count as moving). Disembark 'zerkers. Charge foes.

A good player won't allow rhinos full of dedicated assault troops get anywhere near their lines. A land raider with demonic possesion is much more resilient and has a better chance to get those berzerkers in on the charge. I will never put berzerkers into a rhino.

**mrnecron**

Remember you don't have to tell the opposition what is embarked in the tanks.

**Gwar!**

mrnecron wrote:Remember you don't have to tell the opposition what is embarked in the tanks.

Errm, Yes, you do. You DO have the 5th edition Rulebook yes?

**unistoo**

To point out what Gwar! is talking about:

BGB p.92 wrote:...always make clear to your opponent which squads are embarked in which transport vehicle.

Unless you and your opponent agree otherwise before the game, this is how you must play it.

**Gwar!**

unistoo wrote:To point out what Gwar! is talking about:

BGB p.92 wrote:...always make clear to your opponent which squads are embarked in which transport vehicle.
Unless you and your opponent agree otherwise before the game, this is how you must play it.

You can also let Berserker's have Fleet or give Orks a 2+ Save if you and your opponent agree to it. As such, I omitted it from my post as adding "Unless you and your opponent agree otherwise" to every single sentence would just draw things out

**unistoo**

Gwar! wrote:You can also let Berserker's have Fleet or give Orks a 2+ Save if you and your opponent agree to it. As such, I omitted it from my post as adding "Unless you and your opponent agree otherwise" to every single sentence would just draw things out

I know what you're saying, but the BGB does here specifically go on to talk about discussing rosters and things with your opponent, so I decided to paraphrase it so I couldn't be accused of cherrypicking.

**Nurglitch**

So, I have just had an exchange of private messages with mrnecron, as follows:

mrnecron wrote:Im English too,however frankly i dont care about punctuation on a chat website. Its not like its homework!

Nurglitch wrote:Yes, so I noticed. For some reason people with a Union Jack beside their name have the least legible English. But no, these forums aren't homework, they are something far more important: they are forums in which people from different backgrounds come together to communicate using English. So proper spelling and grammar is a courtesy to the other people who have to read what you've written.

The whole point of using 'proper' English (spelling, grammar, punctuation) is to make communication clearer and easier, particularly for those who read English as a second language, or for those who function in a world where the conventions of proper English are commonly observed. That's why, as a student, you're encouraged to learn how to spell properly and employ grammar well, because as an adult you will often need to make yourself understood to other English users. Since only perfect practice makes perfect, posting on these forums is an excellent opportunity for you to increase your skill and comfort with using English, as well as a courtesy to other forum users.

mrnecron wrote:I post on this forum for tips and help on war hammer while you keep nagging me about grammar.
I have enough practice with my "spelling, grammar and punctuation" while i write three or four fifty paged comedy's in some of my spare time.
Im the one that has learnt flash cs4 and dream weaver cs4, (meant for adults!) At the age of eighteen. Get off my back mate. When i have my own website, earning tonnes of money, your gonna wish you spent less time bugging me and working on your life, maybe you may get a life! And seriously man, don't disrespect English citizens! There are plenty of words i want to call you but then i would get banned from this website. Again, leave me alone!

So I would publicly like to apologize to mrnecron for 'nagging' him about the way he posts. I'm sorry, I shouldn't have derailed this thread when nitpicking at silly irrelevant details, rather than addressing your question.