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Model wise, this is shaping up to be a fantastic release! The rules leaked so far seem fairly decent, but I'd like to see the actual codex before leaping into any large purchases. However, this is a really exciting new edition of Tau.

The current Firewarriors box is £22 for 12 models, the new box is £30 for 10. What am i missing? Even for GW that is a big increase.

Bradeh wrote:
The current Firewarriors box is £22 for 12 models, the new box is £30 for 10. What am i missing? Even for GW that is a big increase.

Extra bitz for Breachers, mostly. Better sculpts. Better casting quality.

Still cheaper than the £30 for 5 models boxes such as Sternguard, say.

Not saying it's justified, but that's how they'll be slotted into the "GW range".

The new box also gives a turret and parts to make regular fire warriors or Breacher Teams (So probably 10 extra helmets and 10 extra guns)

Merellin wrote:
The new box also gives a turret and parts to make regular fire warriors or Breacher Teams (So probably 10 extra helmets and 10 extra guns)

They had alternative weapons with pulse carbines

 caminacambob wrote:
Anyone else spy the Tidewall Rampart in top right? Hefty price tag but will wait and see what we get. Finally faction fortifications! Let's hope this becomes a trend.

..A trend starting this late after already doing so many other popular 7th edition armies? 160$ isn't exactly a great price either, but this Tau release seems to be all about jacking up prices even higher.

This is turning out to be a rather expansive release!

Stormsurge, Ghostkeel, new Fire Warriors, new fortifications, new Ethereal, new Crisis suits, new battlesuit commander, it's been a long while since we saw a release of this size.

Tau are a very popular faction though, I remember GW being caught by surprise when they were released previously, apparently the demand was unprecedented.

 Dr. Delorean wrote:
This is turning out to be a rather expansive release!

Stormsurge, Ghostkeel, new Fire Warriors, new fortifications, new Ethereal, new Crisis suits, new battlesuit commander, it's been a long while since we saw a release of this size.

Tau are a very popular faction though, I remember GW being caught by surprise when they were released previously, apparently the demand was unprecedented.

If we get as much love in the codex as we're getting with the models then it'll be a very expensive month indeed! I need to see the codex to really throw myself into all the new stuff but I do love me some battlesuits

Yeah I think I had some delays in my kits being sent from Dark Sphere

 Tarnag wrote:

If we get as much love in the codex as we're getting with the models then it'll be a very expensive month indeed! I need to see the codex to really throw myself into all the new stuff but I do love me some battlesuits

the word I used was expansive - meaning wide-ranging or extensive, but expensive is an equally apt description

Especially since that Commander battlesuit is so damn sexy...it's gonna be expensive but I need it.

 Dr. Delorean wrote:
This is turning out to be a rather expansive release!

Stormsurge, Ghostkeel, new Fire Warriors, new fortifications, new Ethereal, new Crisis suits, new battlesuit commander, it's been a long while since we saw a release of this size.

Tau are a very popular faction though, I remember GW being caught by surprise when they were released previously, apparently the demand was unprecedented.

I can only hope that Chaos Marines get this kind of love if we ever get a new release in the future...

Seeing the new kits for first the updated Tactical Marines + Devastators, and now the Fire Warriors/Breachers & an updated Crisis Suits kit, has me drooling over just what GW could produce for a new basic CSM kit + re-done Terminators & new Havocs.

Here's to hoping that the new Tau codex will be able to run some non-formation lists that those of us with crusty old 6th ed codices can still get some fun games against.

This is definitely model-wise one of the best releases I've seen, it's not on the level of 5th Edition Dark Eldar but it beats out any other 7th Edition release for an existing army IMO.

The rules for the Breachers are actually interesting, 9 points a model is still not bad for what you get but ultimately they are going to be dependent on Devilfishes to be competitive. I'm guessing Devilfishes will drop to around the 50-60 point mark which would make this unit ok I think. If the codex gives us free Devilfishes (formation/detachment) this unit will be very, very nasty for 90 points and give Tau a unit that actually wants to get close and take objectives.

The whole "mobile fortification" thing regarding the Tau terrain sounds ludicrous, a moving defence line is just a bit silly. If it isn't too expensive it could solely fix the issue Tau have of static builds that suck at playing to the mission.

Caederes wrote:
This is definitely model-wise one of the best releases I've seen, it's not on the level of 5th Edition Dark Eldar but it beats out any other 7th Edition release for an existing army IMO.

The rules for the Breachers are actually interesting, 9 points a model is still not bad for what you get but ultimately they are going to be dependent on Devilfishes to be competitive. I'm guessing Devilfishes will drop to around the 50-60 point mark which would make this unit ok I think. If the codex gives us free Devilfishes (formation/detachment) this unit will be very, very nasty for 90 points and give Tau a unit that actually wants to get close and take objectives.

The whole "mobile fortification" thing regarding the Tau terrain sounds ludicrous, a moving defence line is just a bit silly. If it isn't too expensive it could solely fix the issue Tau have of static builds that suck at playing to the mission.

I always want to put a defense line in my lists but hate to just because I love to play around the map so much and having something tying my back to my deployment zone feels like I have a little tether holding me there when I don't use it. I'd love if this can move, even slowly, so turn 3-4 you can advance your line up and up and hold more advantageous positions that you can carve out further down the board. $160 price tag is rough, but I definitely see a lot of potential in it, even without weaponry.

If I played Tau I'd be hurting for sure at $265 Australian for the terrain! By the looks of it though the terrain does seem very big so maybe the price will be somewhat justified by GW standards (lol). I can't wait to see the rules for it as a moving defence line of that size sounds absolutely bonkers.

This is a release that could get me back into Tau. Between the Riptide, new Crisis, the new super stealth suit, and new fire warriors I think I can finally build and enjoy a Tau army. It'll only be the 5th or 6th time I've collected one so hopefully this one is more successful and doesn't get sold half finished.

Have to say that I took the "mobile" description to mean a fluffy "field deployable fortification, because Tau don't really do fixed emplacements" rather than " this massive piece of terrain can float around the board"

Why else would they have "mobile" in the description though? Fortifications can be placed anywhere on the board during deployment so saying the "mobile" translates to just a fluff thing doesn't seem right to me. They've never described any other terrain as "mobile" in the product description.

I think it definitely moves during the game, if you look closely at it the wall itself is floating (notice the shadows underneath it).

It will be a super heavy building.

And nowhere in the codex with GW define super heavy building.

I dont understand why it wouldnt be just like every other big building. AV14 with a gakload of HP.

Since 2012, where I started playing this god forsaken game with my first Tau, I've wished for new Fire Warriors and XV8 Crisis models...

I was about to quit... I'd had it. Completely. I'd realized how gakky this game really was. Nothing would've been able to get me back into the fold.

Then came these models...

Yeah, I think people are jumping to conclusions re: the terrain. I see mobile as "can be picked up and moved between battles," not "walks slowly across the board."

I could be wrong, but I am skeptical.

vitae_drinker wrote:
Yeah, I think people are jumping to conclusions re: the terrain. I see mobile as "can be picked up and moved between battles," not "walks slowly across the board."

I could be wrong, but I am skeptical.

Let's put it like this then.

Aegis Defense Lines, which "can be picked up and moved between battles", are not labeled as "mobile" in their product description.

Exactly. Besides as I said earlier, look at the actual leaked image of the terrain. You can tell by the shadows that it is floating. Plus, it fits the Tau philosophy to have a moving defence line if they are going to use deployed cover at all.

Besides, why would they advertise a model as "can be picked up and moved between battles"!? Think about that statement, it makes zero sense.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
I dont understand why it wouldnt be just like every other big building. AV14 with a gakload of HP.

Just trying to keep expectation in line with GWs rules proofreading.

By the looks of it, it will be a defence line with various turrets in the style of an Aegis Defence Line. If that is the case the defence lines themselves will be indestructible but the turrets will be vulnerable. I'm guessing though that as a way to counter it there will be some kind of way to "de-power" it to stop it from moving.

I can't buy anything until I see the codex....anyone have any idea on the codex release?

I'm guessing it is the same week as the Crisis Suits @Fishboy which means three weeks from now minimum for the release day.

 Kanluwen wrote:

vitae_drinker wrote:
Yeah, I think people are jumping to conclusions re: the terrain. I see mobile as "can be picked up and moved between battles," not "walks slowly across the board."

I could be wrong, but I am skeptical.

Let's put it like this then.

Aegis Defense Lines, which "can be picked up and moved between battles", are not labeled as "mobile" in their product description.

Correct, but again, jumping to conclusions based on what you want it to be because of how someone who wants to sell a bunch of them writes up an ad is somewhat adventurous.

Look at this way: let's say you're right. In that case I am pleasantly surprised as they have exceeded my expectations.

Now, let's say I'm right. Are you going to say, "Well, gosh darn, oh well." Orrrrrrrrr.... "Motherfething GW! How DARE they lie to us again! I will never buy anything again!" Most likely it will fall in between utter pacificity and ultimate nerd rage, but still.

Isn't it better to have low expectations of GW (whom, let's admit, don't have the best track record?) than to be overly expectant?

Except that the quote is from the thing's actual product description. It says "mobile" for one very obvious reason. And again I must point out that the terrain itself is floating in that picture.

I'd love to be wrong too as the idea of facing up against a moving defence line specifically designed for Tau is....not reassuring.

GW New Zealand site has leaked Tau codex formations.

Optimized Stealth Cadre

Visible, yet unseen. Hungry ghosts that perpetually haunt the battle lines of their enemies, the Optimised Stealth Cadre is exactly that - a group of spectres that appear suddenly from the fog of war, pouring ruinous fire onto a terrified and confused foe. Their stealth fields are networked using a technique known as mesme’j’kaara - the wall of mirrors - which utterly blinds targeting sensors with a mesh of interlocking obfuscation fields, making the weaving, undulating movements of the squad completely unpredictable.

This bundle gives you everything you need in order to field the Optimised Stealth Cadre, as found in Codex: Tau Empire. Two sets of three XV25 Stealth Battlesuits, with two accompanying marker drones, and an XV95 Ghostkeel Battlesuit with two MV5 stealth drone projectors are included - the enemy won’t know where to turn.

Heavy Retribution Cadre

A blinding firestorm of explosive intent, the Heavy Retribution Cadre is deployed when all diplomacy fails. Led by a Ghostkeel spotter, the accompanying Stormsurges constantly receive telemetry and feedback on enemy positions, adjusting their attacks and compensating for any and all variables with cold precision. Even the most enormous foe is is gradually reduced to dust by the furious nuclear flame of this Cadre’s devastating resolve.

This bundle will give you everything you need in order to field the Heavy Retribution Cadre, as found in Codex: Tau Empire. Three Ghostkeel Battlesuits lead the charge, spotting and advising, while two Stormsurges absorb their data, take aim, and annihilate. Five crushing examples of Tau tech!