Old INDEX Necron 8th Tactica - link to new codex tactics thread in OP

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**Klowny**

skoffs wrote:
Pepe96 wrote:
If opponent starts the game, you put pylon in reserves, so you have at least one round of shooting.
Okay, but what do you deploy to ensure you don't get tabled turn one?
(or is this still part of the "Don't even bother setting up against lists like this" tactic?)

You can run 10 in a double spearhead with a spyder, so deploy all t1 and they can't kill them all kek

**rvd1ofakind**

I want to teach my friend 40k with his necrons.
The list is 12 warriors, 3 scarabs, 5 tesla immortals, overlord, stalker.
What's the tl;dr on overlord upgrades(weapons, orb) and stalker weapons.

I heard tesla immortals are usually the best choice now, right?

**skoffs**

Tesla Immortals are best at a distance, Gauss ones are better up close... so it really just depends on how you want to run them.

For Overlord, Warscythe is never a bad choice.
The Staff is actually decent this edition.
The Sword is taken if you just want to have the cheapest HQ to fill a requirement (in which case you're normally better off just taking a Lord).
Don't even bother with the Blade.
The Orb is only ever good when taken with expensive infantry... which he does not currently have access to, so don't bother for now.

You could probably play a test game of 35 PL / 550 points with just what he's got there.

Spoiler:

**Dach**

Will this work? What should I change?
The plan is going in blob to center - than spread after turn 3.

Spoiler:

**vipoid**

Anyone got any thoughts regarding Silver Tide lists in this edition?

skoffs wrote:

The Sword is taken if you just want to have the cheapest HQ to fill a requirement (in which case you're normally better off just taking a Lord).
Don't even bother with the Blade.

Just a point but I think the Sword/Blade can work if you want an Overlord (for MWBD) but don't have the points for a Warscythe for him.

e.g. I recently made this list:
- Destroyer Lord w/ Warscythe, Phylactery
- Overlord w/ Voidblade, Resurrection Orb
- 10 Immortals w/ Tesla
- 10 Immortals w/ Gauss
- 10 Immortals w/ Gauss
- 10 Immortals w/ Gauss
- 3 Destroyers + Heavy Destroyer
- 3 Destroyers + Heavy Destroyer
1500pts

Taking a Warscythe on the Overlord would have pushed the list over the limit, and replacing him with a Lord would mean losing MWBD for the Tesla Immortals.

I could drop his Resurrection Orb but I haven't got anything else to spend those points on (the cheapest unit costs more than the Orb, which would put me back to square one).

I could also drop the Destroyer Lord's Phylactery, but I don't want to do that either because it's a piece of wargear that I really want to test out.

**crunkDealer**

Anybody try praets + ctan?

Praets have 10" and have the fly keyword, 10 praets and nightbringer seem like they'd make a hilariously good mayhem squad.

T5 2W 3+ with auto pass morale? 10" + advance + shoot + charge, fallback, shoot, charge back in, the look on your opponents face when 2 or 3 get rezzed...

It'll be expensive as heck though, 570ish pts?

**Dach**

10" + advance + shoot + charge, fallback, shoot, charge back in, the look on your opponents face when 2 or 3 get rezzed...

Fly allows to shoot after fallback, to charge you need some ability.

**Kuguar6**

crunkDealer wrote:
Anybody try praets + ctan?

Praets have 10" and have the fly keyword, 10 praets and nightbringer seem like they'd make a hilariously good mayhem squad.

T5 2W 3+ with auto pass morale? 10" + advance + shoot + charge, fallback, shoot, charge back in, the look on your opponents face when 2 or 3 get rezzed...

It'll be expensive as heck though, 570ish pts?

You cant also charge after advance.

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rvd1ofakind wrote:
I want to teach my friend 40k with his necrons.
The list is 12 warriors, 3 scarabs, 5 tesla immortals, overlord, stalker.
What's the tl;dr on overlord upgrades(weapons, orb) and stalker weapons.

I heard tesla immortals are usually the best choice now, right?

I will take tessla immo, HGC for stalker and warscyte for overlord.
Tessla becuse MVBD and better mobility - you can advance and shoot and you can shoot from 24".
Warscyte for heroic intervention/counter atack. You have only pure scarab for cc. Against cc army overlord may save your live.
HGC for hi ap shoot. Noone else have it. Against Sv2/3 target you need it.

**skoffs**

vipoid wrote:
- Overlord w/ Voidblade, Resurrection Orb

It's not a big deal, but I have to ask... why the Voidblade instead of the Hyperphase Sword?
(I mean, why pay more points for something that does the exact same thing?)

**vipoid**

skoffs wrote:
vipoid wrote:
- Overlord w/ Voidblade, Resurrection Orb
It's not a big deal, but I have to ask... why the Voidblade instead of the Hyperphase Sword?
(I mean, why pay more points for something that does the exact same thing?)

The reason is simply that I can't spend those 3pts anywhere else, so I might as well have my army be 1500pts exactly and at least satisfy my OCD.

**skoffs**

vipoid wrote:
skoffs wrote:
vipoid wrote:
- Overlord w/ Voidblade, Resurrection Orb
It's not a big deal, but I have to ask... why the Voidblade instead of the Hyperphase Sword?
(I mean, why pay more points for something that does the exact same thing?)

The reason is simply that I can't spend those 3pts anywhere else, so I might as well have my army be 1500pts exactly and at least satisfy my OCD.

Well, okay... but if you dropped 3 Immortals from a squad (giving the remainder Tesla Carbines and having them camp backfield objectives) you could afford 4 Scarabs to help screen for your guys.
Granted, that would leave you with two points free, which might not be ideal if making a list with OCD tendencies, but it would help optimize your list.

**Requizen**

They announced that Codices are coming, and Necron Dynasties are called out by name as an example of subfactions getting their own rules (like Chapters). Very exciting. I wonder if this means we'll be one of the 10 out before Christmas, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

**vipoid**

skoffs wrote:
Well, okay... but if you dropped 3 Immortals from a squad (giving the remainder Tesla Carbines and having them camp backfield objectives) you could afford 4 Scarabs to help screen for your guys.

Is that worth it, do you think? I'd expect 3 Immortals to pull more weight than 4 scarabs (especially since reducing the Immortal's squad size makes it easier to kill them and deny them RPs).

I guess my concern is that 4 Scarabs don't seem like much of a screen. What exactly would you do with them?

**sieGermans**

Requizen wrote:
They announced that Codices are coming, and Necron Dynasties are called out by name as an example of subfactions getting their own rules (like Chapters). Very exciting. I wonder if this means we'll be one of the 10 out before Christmas, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

SpikeyBits has a rumored release schedule from here to Christmas in which Necrons do not appear, FWIW.

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vipoid wrote:
skoffs wrote:
Well, okay... but if you dropped 3 Immortals from a squad (giving the remainder Tesla Carbines and having them camp backfield objectives) you could afford 4 Scarabs to help screen for your guys.

Is that worth it, do you think? I'd expect 3 Immortals to pull more weight than 4 scarabs (especially since reducing the Immortal's squad size makes it easier to kill them and deny them RPs).

I guess my concern is that 4 Scarabs don't seem like much of a screen. What exactly would you do with them?

Scarabs rob more value from the Bolter spam lists than immortals and provide better/quicker objective capture density for the Conscript match up than immortals.

**Requizen**

sieGermans wrote:
Requizen wrote:
They announced that Codices are coming, and Necron Dynasties are called out by name as an example of subfactions getting their own rules (like Chapters). Very exciting. I wonder if this means we'll be one of the 10 out before Christmas, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

SpikeyBits has a rumored release schedule from here to Christmas in which Necrons do not appear, FWIW.

They were the only one with that list and all other rumor mongers called it bogus. Also that list did not include GK at all and CSM aren't listed second, so it's pretty obviously not real.

Not saying we're for sure getting one, but I wouldn't look to that as reliable.

**sieGermans**

Requizen wrote:
sieGermans wrote:
Requizen wrote:
They announced that Codices are coming, and Necron Dynasties are called out by name as an example of subfactions getting their own rules (like Chapters). Very exciting. I wonder if this means we'll be one of the 10 out before Christmas, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

SpikeyBits has a rumored release schedule from here to Christmas in which Necrons do not appear, FWIW.

They were the only one with that list and all other rumor mongers called it bogus. Also that list did not include GK at all and CSM aren't listed second, so it's pretty obviously not real.

Not saying we're for sure getting one, but I wouldn't look to that as reliable.

Great shout!

**Pyrothem**

Requizen wrote:
They announced that Codices are coming, and Necron Dynasties are called out by name as an example of subfactions getting their own rules (like Chapters). Very exciting. I wonder if this means we'll be one of the 10 out before Christmas, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

They are going to do all the SM chapters and a Prime Book you can bet, also the Chaos since that is the story they are pushing so that leaves what? one slot left for the rest of the races to fight over... yeah I would be shocked if we got one before the first of the new year.

**Requizen**

Personally I doubt it'll be nothing but solid SM/CSM variant releases for the whole year, but it's possible. I think after SM/CSM/GK/DG we'll see at least one or two Xenos releases, and then probably IG and maybe Daemons.

**Ghaz**

Pyrothem wrote:
They are going to do all the SM chapters and a Prime Book you can bet...

Since they have an Intercessor on the cover of Codex Space Marines I believe it's safe to say that there won't be a separate codex for the Primaris at this time.

**Drakmord**

I really like Kutlakh, and plan to run him with Toholk and 10 Lychguard, carrying scythes. I'm concerned about their durability however, as they'll all have to walk the board. I haven't gotten any games of 8th in yet so I've not been able to see how they fare.

For those who have made use of Lychguard and/or Lychguard with Kutlakh, how did they perform under the circumstances in which you fielded them?

Would the points be better spent on a different type of close combat unit? Do you feel that a Resurrection Orb is necessary?

**vipoid**

Do you guys think Silver Tide is viable this edition?

If so, what do you think a Silver Tide army should look like?
- How many Warriors should I aim for at, say, 1500pts?
- What support units (Overlords, Crypteks etc.) should I include and how many?
- Should I include any other units like Destroyers to take out heavier targets, or just add more Warriors?
- Do you think a Silver Tide list can work without Ghost Arks?

**Fenris-77**

I think Silver Tide is very servicable in 8th. I like it better with Ghost Arks that without, but it'll work both ways IMO. I'd probably aim for at least 50-60 warriors at 1500. Immortals are also a great add, so mix and match there at will.

If you want all your Warriors covered, you'll need one Cryptek for every two full Warrior squads. So probably two for your list, and one overlord for MWBD shenanigans. My preference is to also buff with GAs, so pick your poison there.

I prefer D-Arks over Heavy Destroyers, but that's in my standard Silver Tide/QS spam approach to list building. You also need to think about how to bubble wrap - I'll either bubble wrap the infantry with vehicles against certain lists, or the other way round against Scion plasma spam. Scarabs are cheap and can help a lot with that.

There's a ton of different ways to build a ST list. Basically, start with about 20 warriors for every 500 points and go from there.

**sieGermans**

I have this impression that for Silver Tide lists, your Warriors will be your forward rank Objective grabbers while your Gauss Immortals will constitute the majority of your effective firepower with S5, AP-2.

The key to Silver Tide working is forcing your opponent into inefficiencies while extracting value from low point investment. From that perspective, for the latter, the high AP value on Immortal Gauss weaponry and the high shots count on Tesla Immortals (with MWBD).

The former is trickier and in theory means forcing low strength guns to fire at high toughness targets or [and pertinent to a Silver Tide] forcing high strength and/or high Damage guns on our Warriors (to get value from RP). That means not presenting other more lucrative targets, such as destroyers and DDAs but also includes Ghost Arks. ... whereby, if we're not running GAs anyway as a result, then I reckon immortals become far better than Warriors for that list.

**crunkDealer**

News from games tonight

1. 590 pt necrons vs thou sons, regular(?) game (objectives, slay warlord, first blood). We deployed longways on the board since both of us are mostly 5" movespeed and didnt want to spend the first two turns just moving
- All is dust plus cover is absolutely brutal, plus he rerolls saves of 1 from some aura or another
- Inferno bolt pistols are nasty

I had scythelord, 10 warrs, 5 gauss immortals, 3 scarab,THGC stalker. He had raptors, two squads of tzaangors, havocs, rubrics and a sorcerer dude. I lost to him getting linebreaker and chasing me off an objective. I think if I dropped stalker for praets or deathmarks I could've won. This was actually a really fun game

2. Ambush, 60 power. It was a 3 player game, me and thousand sons 30 power each getting ambushed by 60 power blood angels

- It was a cataclysmic stomp, BA literally lost a single marine and it was to a plasma overheat. Stormravens are drastically undercosted in power, what a joke. 5" movement makes it a nightmare to win, mathematically we would have needed to advance like 4 turns in a row just to get units to the end

**Kuguar6**

In my version of ST i take only immortals because they have better fire power, tessla have better mobility, you dont need ark and you can forget about morale.
I played 1500 game with 4 immo unit, two tesla, two gauss. I take only one cryptek and overlord witch is enough. Just keep all infrantry close.
I also take DDA and stalker. I thing stalker is good for tasla immo with MVBD but destroyers cult will be also good.
You can take some scarab or 5 immo unit for objective grab. My expirience says that DDA dont need screaning in 1500 game but its depends from you opponents. DDA have powerfull array in 12" range and fly key word witch allow shot after flatout. He also have nice W. If someone whant deep strike ark with one unit you can counter his unit with array.

**Moosatronic Warrior**

crunkDealer wrote:

- All is dust plus cover is absolutely brutal, plus he rerolls saves of 1 from some aura or another

I think that only applies to invul saves. The reroll I mean.

**skoffs**

Kuguar6 wrote:
In my version of ST i take only immortals
[...]
I take only one cryptek and overlord

Did you feel the Cryptek was worth it?
I mean, if you were just spamming Immortals there wasn't anything expensive that would have really benefited from it, right?
For how much he costs you could have just added a second cheap Overlord which would have given you more MWBD.

Here's my own take on a Immortal based Silver Tide-

Spoiler:

Covers all the TAC bases:
- CC punch
- anti HQ
- anti horde
- anti vehicle
- anti flyer
- screening

Haven't tried it yet (besides, I'll need more Immortals)

**vipoid**

Out of interest, Skoffs, why the Deathmarks?

Also, do you think running more 6-7 man Immortal squads is better than running fewer 10-man ones?

**Moosatronic Warrior**

The Deathmarks and understrength Immortals made me say eww.

**skoffs**

It's a Brigade Detachment.
Requires 3 selections from everything, plus 6 troops.
(hence the cheapest selection from Elite and Fast)
I could probably get those Immortal units up to full strength if replaced all my Heavy slot choices with something cheaper... but would it be worth losing double DDAs?