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I mean, space marines are way to popular, what is good about them?
Hmmm... Let's see... The space marines in general have a codex, the dark angels have a codex, the black templars have a codex and now the space wolves are getting one.

But what is so good about them? They're not overly interesting to look at, don't have much in the way of humour or interesting weapons.

What do you lot think? Do I have a point?

Boss 'eadbreaka wrote:What do you lot think? Do I have a point?

Yes and No.

Yes because i agree with you
No because there are people out there with different preference.

As much as i dont care for SM the black templars are some bad mothers. Yes the general SM is blah but other chapters have good fluff and not as similar to other SM as you think. I just saw an entire BT army today and that makes me want to start them.

I tend to agree. For the most part Space Marines are not interesting to me. Especially the Ultramarines. Tigarius is not has cool as Mephiston in my opinion. The "deviant" chapters have more flavor to them than the codex marines.

Answer is simple. Marines sell the best, therefore GW can make more money pushing Marines than any other army. So all other armies get put onto the back bench in favour of marines that give GW the most profit.

If Eldar was the best selling army then this thread would have been "Is another Eldar codex really neccesary?"


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GW wants to make money above all else, so its sales tactics reflect that over the needs of the hobbyist

I quite like the normal codex marines... which is why I made my chapter a successor to the Ultramarines.

the deviant chapters really do need their own codexes... otherwise we end up with a mess like the chaos codex. ugh.

Thank you Horst good point i am worshiping tzeentch right now for CHANGE!

I play Marines because that was the army that got shoved in my face when I first walked into a GW 10 years ago

They are, after all, the most simplistic, all round army... ideal for winning any pre-pubsecent's affections!

I hope that each Chaos cult gets it's own codex.

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Green Blow Fly wrote: I hope that each Chaos cult gets it's own codex.

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That would suck, they would do half of them then end up giving up.

One BIG book will be much better.

Im trying greenblowfly dont rush they will screw it up if they rush.

The SW were one of the first SM armies to get their own codex, and then waited 10 years for another one. It is time for an update.

I think if GW could get some decent codexes out quicker there would be a lot less animus for MEQs. But really you should ask why UMs get a new codex or two every edition, while everyone else gets one at most. Is it too much to ask for each new edition to have a updated army list for each race in the back like 3rd? Or an online 'dex they can patch and play with until the official release?

Personally Im not a fan of SM in general. BUT the simple fact that the SW have had a codex for as long as Ive been playing, yea they do need one. And yes, other wise it WOULD be like the current chaos dex, which is total GARBAGE

With Space Marines, it is rather simple. They are the 40k signature in a sense, so GW expands them to get more money due to more choices. And as said before, they are practically thrown at your face the moment you walk into a store. Same thing happen with me in 2005, and I was lucky the new 'Nids had just been released or I might be worshiping a dead guy on a throne. Instead I worship something I have never or will see. Kinda like Christians... Sorry that was wrong.

But I think they are so popular because the new people see them as something easy to paint, paint up a lot, find the background info interesting and nevere, evere leave.

I tend to agree what the OP said.
Those chapters gain great attentions when a new codex for them comes out.
But after a while, it appears that the interest in those special chapters shrinks, and players prefer the SM codex.

I think that the variant chapter codices are necessary. I think BT are as different from codex marines as Eldar are from, say, Dark Eldar.

Now, if there was a Codex for Imperial Fists, a Codex: Raven Guard, and a Codex: Salamanders, then I could see your point. But when the Chapter diverges significantly enough to have several different kinds of units, and a very different play style, then I can see the logic to giving them their own codex.

Definatley, jimsolo is right. If there was one for individual chapters we would probably not like GW anymore. And again as he said, they deserve a personal codex if there are more diffences in forces besides background.

Honestly I dont think'd id play this game without marines..

Low model count

Good support (ie good dexs)

Sorta human.

I like eldar but their cone heads perplex me.

I like orks but I like gorka morka ork models not the current ones.

I like ig but way too many models.

Nids/necrons have no personality.

Tau I use to play but just shooting gets boring.

The codex wasn't necessary, but it made GW get boatloads of $$. It's the same reason DE and crons keep getting pushed back. They simply won't make as much $$.

It's a game, none of it is "necessary".

If it makes money to produce multiple beakie codices, that simply means there are a lot of people who want those codices.

Shouldn't GW be satisfying their customers?

Shaman wrote:I like eldar but their cone heads perplex me.

SM keep their lunch in their shoulders, Eldar keep it in their helmets.

I agree that SM didn't need another codex; Necrons and Dark Eldar do!

Marines may not *need* another codex but there are far more Blood Angel and dark angel players than necrons or dark eldar

Those two chapters have been around since the beginning. Larger fan base + seniority and much more backstory = more deserving of a codex.

Now, if you lump all the SM chapters into the same army then I suppose the answer is no.. However, thats not the case. I do think they could do FASTER Sm books and not use up huge amounts of development time considering a lot of the units are the same

Its a sad that DE and necrons dont get new books.. Perhaps more people should play them and give GW a reason

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Its not the codex that is the problem its GWs inane belief that they need new models to sell a codex.. Thus its the models that are the bottleneck not the writing. Gamers would buy the codexs and then would also buy the models when they come out. All GW gains by forcing us to wait for models is to piss off their players

Jervis: "Hey Dark eldar players.. I know youve been waiting for a new codex since 4th edition. Dont worry we are working on it but we did an internal poll and the results CLEARLY stated that you players dont WANT a new codex until we have models! Because we know as gamers you dont want to use your old models with new rules that make your army playable .. you ONLY want NEW models with NEW rules. BRILLIANT"
Dark Eldar players: "?????????"

I am not saying that other armies don't need Codices. They do. Necrons, Dark Eldar, Daemonhunters, all need updated codices. (Blood Angels? Maybe them too...and Witch Hunters)

Pretty much the only 'dex I dont support is Tyranids. Really, I would be tickled pink if they stopped making Tyranid codices. And models too, for that matter. And started recalling existing models. And removing them from the next edition entirely would be phenomenal...

they didnt need another damn marine codex. There are plenty of armies that needed the update more

I'll just copypasta my usual response to this all-too-common question:

Marines are the face of 40k. There needs to be a consistent, appealing, distinctive, yet still familiar image to associate with the product. Marines supply this. Personally, I would love to see more love for Xenos, and I think there's been a great success with the Orks as of late. However, GW needs to keep making money to survive.

So xenos players, just remember that those Marines are paying for your alien filth to be developed

Well get used to it. We've still got three to go in this cycle:

Blood Angels
Black Templars
Grey Knights

I will also copypasta Brother SRM's usual response,

"Marines are the face of 40k. There needs to be a consistent, appealing, distinctive, yet still familiar image to associate with the product. Marines supply this. Personally, I would love to see more love for Xenos, and I think there's been a great success with the Orks as of late. However, GW needs to keep making money to survive."

Seems to sum it up very well


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Grey Knights!!!

Sweet, can't wait for the new grey knight on bike models.

Eidolon wrote:they didnt need another damn marine codex. There are plenty of armies that needed the update more

Who?
The Space Wolves did not even get a 4e book!

The problem was the decision GW made in 4th edition to get rid of the sub-codexes coupled with making the first army out the door Black Templars. By doing that GW went from making one SM codex with three subsidiary books to needing to write and support five SM codices.

I understand the switch to complete books as having one book rely on another can cause conflict, and as we all know that with today's technology there is no way to introduce new rules or errata after a codex is sold. Oh wait....

It made some sense when they were introducing some new generic plastic SM kits with each new book (BTs were assault termies and scouts, DA were scout snipers and the whirlwind), but now there isn't much left to make in plastic. there is no reason they couldn't churn out some rules and have a shorter model release window. I mean, what are the wolves even getting in terms of models?