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Check out these photos of foam trays for Space Hulk:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/555730

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/555731

The foam inserts the person designed looks interesting, but since this person doesn't even have a functioning website, I'll assume that I made the best choice in purchasing from BattleFoam....

Mez

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Hello Fellow Gamers<

My name is Romeo Filip. I am the owner of Battle Foam. Our website www.battlefoam.com has been live for over 8 months. We pride ourselves in being the first and only true custom foam cutting company in the miniature business.

That is why this thread really upsets me.

I must first point out that I am new to your forum. So please understand that I may not know some of your rules. I do know when I see a copy cat or as we call him, "bootleg artist" and that is what this person is.

This poster is actually named Bryan Wade. He is not a competitor since you need to compete to be a competitor. What Bryan Wade and his bootleg home business does is copy our ideas. (Space Hulk Trays as an example)

Battle Foam is the first and only producer of the Space Hulk foam trays. We also have a patent pending on foam cutting with our system and trade marks and copyrights on all items on our site to include the design of the Space Hulk tray kit. We hav been selling Space Hulk Foam Trays since August 28th on our site. We worked very carefully with the actual models and GW employees to design a layout that not only fits but protects.

This bootleg foam you are being pitched is exactly that. Be warned that not only will you not get your product from this person but if you are lucky enough to somehow get one from "PM"ing him it will probably not fit since the layout he has pictured has been tested and does not fit all the contents in the box.

I must stress that the second tray he advertises on these pictures will not hold all of the contents in the box. Trust me when I tell you this since I have already tested and retested the layout. His layout will not work!

Watch my video on YouTube on how to fit your items to see how difficult it is to actually fit the full contents in the box using a way larger cut out area designed by us in our tray. Follow link here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NuCHnZUBW4

I must also point out that this person Bryan Wade is not to be trusted. Be careful with your money fellow gamers. I only post on here to protect you. This person does not have employees, he does not have product, he does not own his equipment, and your money is not protected. His website was just recently updated with mostly fake information. Be careful!

Battle Foam has been in business for over 9 months. We were the first company to develope our Patented Foam cutting system. The Space Hulk foam tray can be found on our site for purchase and is available at this time.

As a gamer and business owner I know that we all have a passion for our little hobby. That is why my wife and I work so hard to produce great products. Don't be fooled by a bootleg artist like Bryan Wade and his games.

If any of you require custom cut foam for Space Hulk or any other items, please follow this link to our site.

www.battlefoam.com

If you are interested in the Space Hulk tray kit or just the troop tray please follow this link

http://battlefoam.com/catalog.php?category=66

They are available for purchase on our site now and have been for over 2 weeks.

We stand behind our quality and a full money back guarantee on all of our products. If at any time you are not satisfied you can exchange or return any of our items for a full refund.

I am sorry to all that attend this forum that my first post is so angry, but I must not only protect our company name, but you as gamers.

If you would like to contact me personally, please call or email us at the address and phone number below.

Battle Foam LLC.
1-877-336-3626
info@battlefoam.com

or

romeo@battlefoam.com

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Hmmm - didn't get that far down in the post....

Begun, the Foam War has.

Mez

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I do like Romeo and the service that battlefoam provides, but the rest of the posts in that thread do make a point. There's no "bootlegging" going on. There's no "copying". You can't patent an idea. The design is original and different from BF's. It's a competitor, and Romeo needs to let the quality of the product stand on it's own, instead of bad-mouthing his competition. It's just not good business. Let the consumers realize that it's a scam if it is one.

I'm not saying that I wouldn't buy from Battlefoam, but I think that Romeo jumped the gun a little, and I understand the replies he's been getting on that thread.


   
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Chrispy wrote:I do like Romeo and the service that battlefoam provides, but the rest of the posts in that thread do make a point. There's no "bootlegging" going on. There's no "copying". You can't patent an idea. The design is original and different from BF's. It's a competitor, and Romeo needs to let the quality of the product stand on it's own, instead of bad-mouthing his competition. It's just not good business. Let the consumers realize that it's a scam if it is one.

I'm not saying that I wouldn't buy from Battlefoam, but I think that Romeo jumped the gun a little, and I understand the replies he's been getting on that thread.



Yeah, as a customer of Battlefoam, I have to agree. I don't like the tone or implication of the post.

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Um, if you cannot patent an idea then what CAN you patent?

In all seriousness, I get what you were trying to say there. But you DO patent ideas. Seriously.

I have no IDEA if this usurper (sorry, I couldn't resist!) is violating anyone's IP (never thought I would be saying thout without referencing GW). I can understand Romeo being concerned. Maybe he came off a bit over the top there. Got a link to this thread so I can have a look? Or should I just search "Battlefoam maim burn kill"? lol

Oh, I was thinking there was an accompanying dakka thread. That's me and my reading again...

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At any rate, it looks like the "bootleg" tray is of rather inferior quality. Look at how floppy the sides of the bottom tray are, that tells me how thin and flimsy they had to make it in order to fit the contents. BF trays are much firmer. Still, I think forcing everything to fit back into the SH box is really a bad design constraint. I mean, most people already have figure cases, which unlike a fancy cardboard box, have handles and straps for easy carrying. It simply doesn't make any sense not to carry SH in the same kind of case as you'd do your other minis.

Aside from all that, BF pulled a gigantic faux pas by openly violating the posting rules of another site to air out their grievances, and did so in a manner that makes them look immature and will cost them significant business from, among others, the users at BGG.

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Yeah, does like he pissed some geeks off.
   
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Agamemnon2 wrote:Aside from all that, BF pulled a gigantic faux pas by openly violating the posting rules of another site to air out their grievances, and did so in a manner that makes them look immature and will cost them significant business from, among others, the users at BGG.


I saw nothing immature at all in Romeo's post.

Stop being such a pessimist.

   
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H.B.M.C. wrote:
Agamemnon2 wrote:Aside from all that, BF pulled a gigantic faux pas by openly violating the posting rules of another site to air out their grievances, and did so in a manner that makes them look immature and will cost them significant business from, among others, the users at BGG.


I saw nothing immature at all in Romeo's post.

Stop being such a pessimist.


Really?

Battle Foam is the first and only producer of the Space Hulk foam trays.


I like battle foam too, but this assertion comes off sounding a lot like he is producing an officially licensed product. To my knowledge, he is not.

I happen to know that there are foam companies that will custom cut foam of any variety for whatever reason you need. Long before Battlefoam was even a thought in the mind of Romeo.

I know this because I have used that service before.
Exhibit A:
http://www.thefoamfactory.com/packagingfoam/custompackaging.html

A post like that could come back to bite battlefoam in the buttocks. Not very professional. I still think Battlefoam has the best products at a decent price, but that is no excuse for the post romeo made.

 
   
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I see it as no different to warning someone of a bad seller on eBay. And given our experiences with Romeo here, I have no reason to doubt him.

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H.B.M.C. wrote:I see it as no different to warning someone of a bad seller on eBay. And given our experiences with Romeo here, I have no reason to dobut him.


Fair enough I guess, to take the kinds of comments that romeo made for what they are worth. What they are worth I will leave for the reader to discern.

 
   
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Ooh! I love internet drama. Romeo is proving to be great value in that regard!

Shame the threads got locked. I was pulling up my chair and breaking out the popcorn for a great evening's viewing!

Bottom line, as I read it. Romeo is a small businessman with massive enthusiasm for his product, but a major problem when it comes to tact and PR. He is vigourously trying to defend his idea (selling well-cut foam packaging to gamers) in the face of some significant problems - GW's IP lawyers, and potential competition from anyone else who wants to set up and do the same thing. Can't blame him for trying. In the long term if he can offer best perceived value to his customers then he will survive. But ultimately calling competitors' products "crap" (as he also does with Sabol and GW foam) and spouting vitriol just looks a bit childish. Which doesn't really do much direct harm, but just rings a bit of a "methinks the lady protesteth too much" kind of bell for me. If he had the reality behind his assertions to back them up, he wouldn't need to shout so loudly, he'd just let his solicitor's do the talking? Maybe? Internet outrage is all very well, but we've seen (and often perpetrated) it all before...

Good luck to him on the patents issue. I'm no patent lawyer, but I've seen enough in business (OK, I've watched a couple of episodes of "Dragon's Den"!!) to know its a specialist and expensive field, and filled with potholes. Many, many small business founder because they mess up and don't get patent because they did something wrong in the process way back before they realised it was going to be an issue. In any case, the libel, defamation and slander laws tend to be much stronger, sexy and more reliable. And it looks like Romeo doesn't have the first clue about them

Personally I think it is pretty inevitable that some competitors will come along and maybe take away some of his business. For one reason. He is trying to control the world wide market himself, and he simply isn't big enough to do that.

As I understand it, he only really sells direct. He hasn't managed to partner up with a non-US distributor. This makes his non-US shipping costs very high, and prices him out of much of the non-US market. I can only speculate at the reasons, but I suspect he is either unable or unwilling to offer distributors sufficient margin to make it worth their while. So, given that cutting foam to shape and putting a case around it is not exactly an original idea (witness Hellfury's link, also, heck, I did the same thing myself by hand for some LotR Cave Troll models several years back and posted an article on the now-defunct TLA all about it here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040822043914/www.thelastalliance.com/index.php?pid=article&articlefilename=readyingcustcase&catid=1&subid=1&artilceid=193


- shall I sue Romeo for copying my original idea?) then someone, maybe an existing "pull and pluck" manufacturer here in the UK/EU (Figures in Comfort? Kaiser Rushforth?)will probably come along and do the same (or a similar enough) thing. If they think there's enough of a potential market. And undercut his pricing. That's competition for ya!

I've got nothing against Romeo. Many people (such as theD6G) call him a nice guy, and he's only a small businessman trying to make his way in the world. That's the American Dream. On the other hand calling your competitors' products "crap" and getting all passive/aggressive on the internet isn't endearing really. His product gets great reviews and his customer service gets good reports too. His basic pricing his high, but its a quality product, so the value seems to be there. High international shipping and coming across as an oversensitive internet bully seem to be his main problems at the moment.

All of this is mere supposition on my part of course, and I'm sure Romeo will post here and put me right if I have mispoken.

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The second thread is still open and therefore game...

 
   
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Hellfury wrote:The second thread is still open and therefore game...


Ah! Excellent!

*pulls up chair and breaks out popcorn*

I really am crap at this internet thing, aren't I!

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H.B.M.C. wrote:I saw nothing immature at all in Romeo's post.

Stop being such a pessimist.

I agree with Osbad. The entire thing was bollocksed-up from the very beginning.

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Perhaps if Battlefoam's trays weren't miscut and full of leftover hot-glue, people wouldn't feel the need to "bootleg"

Just sayin'

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@Bunker:

A. I have heard Romeo many times say that if you have a problem with your order to contact him and he will do whatever it takes to make it right. I have heard nothing but praise of his customer service.

B. So if something isn't perfect it's ok to rip it off?



I do believe that there may be some history with Romeo and this other guy. It was pretty clear from Romeo's post that they have crossed paths before. That being said, Romeo came off even stronger than normal and crossed the line a bit. A more reasoned response, maybe with some examples of prior issues they two have had would have been a much better post.

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Hey guys, the infamous Bryan Wade here from Outrider Hobbies. Just wanted to stop by and throw in my two cents and answer a couple of questions.

First off, I do know Romeo Filip. I have known him for a couple of years now. It hasn't been fun. In fact to the point that an injunction against harrassment has been placed on him. I wonder what the judge will think of the post he made earlier.

Second, yes I decided I would compete with Romeo. I reched this conclusion after doing some research. I thought as a consumer that his prices were a bit high. Even for custom work. I looked into material cost, manufacturing cost, and still decided that his prices were too high. So what is a person to do, armed with all of this information, well, I figured go into business for myself. In addition, I thought that Romeo had made some mistakes in his process and designs, so I decided to improve upon them. The whole idea of "building a better mousetrap".

I admit it has taken longer to get moving than I expected, but things are starting to progress. So, to answer a couple questions about the Space Hulk trays. First, I find it very funny that he says my trays will not work. Which is rather surprising since the pictures show all of the components but TWO, in the trays themselves. I also play boardgames. I looked at his second tray and said to myself, why bother, I might as well throw all the pieces back in the box for all the protection it is going to provide. So I went to work and came up with this tray http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/555731. Every single piece except for the large room, the control panel and the two rule books fits in this tray. The sides are a bit thinner than I would like, I admit that, but figured since the tray most likely will not leave the box, it should not be an issue.

As for the quality of my products, I will leave that to the public to decide. I am about to ship some to people who ordered from me through BoardGameGeek.com.

And what the heck, I will send a 1" tray (Sabol sized) to the first 20 people that PM me. I will do this free of charge. Not even shipping. The only thing I ask is that you post your thoughts on DakkaDakka. Just specify in your email if you would like a 40 man (1x1.5" cuts) or 30 man (1x2"). And include your shipping info.

Check us out atwww.outriderhobbies.com

 
   
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Yh, romeo got way too worked up, not only is this guy's product pretty poor(the foam's bent) but you can't stop someone from setting up competition, idk about the US but over here it's law, besides that though...I hope romeo does get his patent and so on. He's a really cool guy, great company, great product, and tbf this other guy has just been copying battlefoam all the way, it IS a bit of a rip.

EDIT: Anyone notice how the guy had a broken arm....don't suppose Romeo got a little too enthusiastic about defending his company...........

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Osbad wrote:
Hellfury wrote:The second thread is still open and therefore game...


Ah! Excellent!

*pulls up chair and breaks out popcorn*

I really am crap at this internet thing, aren't I!


And I thought the day was boring. Great stuff. I second the call for Popcorn!

And already sent my PM for a free sample. Always willing to check out new product.

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The plot thickens!

If I had a Sabol case for a tray to fit in, I'd take you up on that offer outriderhobbies! As I don't I'll leave the offer for someone who can make better use of such a thing. It would be selfish of me to waste it.

By the way. What's your shipping cost to the UK?

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At least with the free tray you've got a producer/designer who doesn't mind putting his money where his mouth is. If the quality works, I wouldn't mind dropping some cash his way for some of the space hulk trays. Free samples always help me in my mini-supply buying decisions!
   
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Hellfury wrote:The second thread is still open and therefore game...


second thread? where?
   
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outriderhobbies wrote:And what the heck, I will send a 1" tray (Sabol sized) to the first 20 people that PM me. I will do this free of charge. Not even shipping. The only thing I ask is that you post your thoughts on DakkaDakka. Just specify in your email if you would like a 40 man (1x1.5" cuts) or 30 man (1x2"). And include your shipping info.


PM sent. As I'm considering replacing all the pluck foam in my Sabols, this will be a great way to compare....

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outriderhobbies wrote:

And what the heck, I will send a 1" tray (Sabol sized) to the first 20 people that PM me. I will do this free of charge. Not even shipping. The only thing I ask is that you post your thoughts on DakkaDakka. Just specify in your email if you would like a 40 man (1x1.5" cuts) or 30 man (1x2"). And include your shipping info.


PM sent. If I do end up getting a tray, look forward to a heads up review of this foam vs. the Battlefoam 40 man troop tray

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outriderhobbies wrote:First off, I do know Romeo Filip. I have known him for a couple of years now. It hasn't been fun. In fact to the point that an injunction against harrassment has been placed on him. I wonder what the judge will think of the post he made earlier.

So you decided to casually make a thread of legal action against a poster on this site? Classy, real classy, Mr. Wade. You know, I'm beginning to think that there's no innocent party in this little Harlequinade. I'll stick with buying my foam off KR, whose proprietors have never felt the need to insult anyone on a public forum.

Did either of you business geniuses ever consider how petulant, how shrill and how blunderingly incompetent partaking in this farce makes you look? What you don't get in businesses run by professionals is this kind of petty drama. Nobody at Volkswagen has ever gone on public record to say, "By the way, Honda is crap."

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Agamemnon2 wrote:
outriderhobbies wrote:First off, I do know Romeo Filip. I have known him for a couple of years now. It hasn't been fun. In fact to the point that an injunction against harrassment has been placed on him. I wonder what the judge will think of the post he made earlier.

So you decided to casually make a thread of legal action against a poster on this site? Classy, real classy, Mr. Wade. You know, I'm beginning to think that there's no innocent party in this little Harlequinade. I'll stick with buying my foam off KR, whose proprietors have never felt the need to insult anyone on a public forum.

Did either of you business geniuses ever consider how petulant, how shrill and how blunderingly incompetent partaking in this farce makes you look? What you don't get in businesses run by professionals is this kind of petty drama. Nobody at Volkswagen has ever gone on public record to say, "By the way, Honda is crap."


Ag2: What is a KR? BTW, you're bit about Hondawagen is just gold, m'fren.
   
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grizgrin wrote:Ag2: What is a KR? BTW, you're bit about Hondawagen is just gold, m'fren.


http://kaiserrushforth.com/

I own a large aluminum case bought from them in May. The trays are excellent, the only bad thing I have to say is that the surface of the case itself shows every tiniest nick and knock.

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