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I've got a torney game coming up next week and I was wondering, as a Blood angels player, what would the best list to bring.

1750, guy I play against is going to go full cheese ball too.

I don't have any attack bikes, assault terminators or Land raiders but have everything else.

I usually bring Dante and an honour guard. Figured I could do well with a Ba'al predator too.

Thoughts and suggestions please.

I would also go with a baal what is it armed with? Can you post an army list please?

I would run a mech list as orks have problems against mass armor.

G

Assault troops particularly with dante or corbulo nearby make the boyz crumble. Being assaulted by a decent assalt unit is the easiest way to get rid of big mobs.

For any other advice it would help to know what kind of ork list you'll be fighting. But decent assault troops, blast weapons, high str high rate of fire weapons and high av vehicles are all good tools for bringing to a fight against orks.

If he's running nob bikers then either assault termies, vindictors or multi-melta spam is a must for taking them down.

As said, I'd also take a mech army.
Bring some Tactical units with flamers in Rhinos.
Two of these units working in concert could easily take down a maxed-out mob.

If you could tell us what the ork list is we could provide better advice.

As a reverse... what are an ork's tactics against a Dante/Mephiston combo?

Oh to help you out - jump packing your death company with one of those cleric things around my flank is a bit of a pain.

As a reverse... what are an ork's tactics against a Dante/Mephiston combo?

Orks cannot block psychic powers.
But if an Ork mob charges your precious HQ's they are pretty dead.

Tried that. He chewed my 30 like nothing was there...

Landraiders are pretty invulnerable to orks, especially if you keep moving them over 6".

I would take Dante & Corbulo for preferred enemy and furious charge.

G

Dante is very hard to beat in close combat. I played a blood angels guy who used dante in his death(jump) company, he had Corbulo in a Rhino nearby so that the death comapny went where he wanted them to go. Chewed up nobz, boyz, anything.

Noone can armor-overload like blood angels. Max baal preds, max rhinos, carrying either tactcial squads or assault squads (remember assault marines get their rhino for free). even with 2+ groups of lootas he won't be able to stop 6+ rhinos. (also, ork nobs hate assault cannons, no FNP is why, cannon is AP4, and rending so it will pop trukks, fast vehicle on a good roll so it can get to side armor on battlewagons and break that too.)

Assault cannons only block FNP on a six, there are scarier things for Nobs.
What sort of orks does your friend play? The different ork lists require very different strategies to beat.
Horde: You want lots of templates and flamers, and lots of guns. Then, hold an assault unit behind your line and countercharge.
Battlewagon Rush: You need to be able to take down the wagons, and then have something that can either shoot the boyz inside to death or assault them. Focus fire on the KFF wagon if there is one, the rest will go down much easier once it is gone. Try and get side or rear shots.
Nob Bikers: High strength (8) AP4 or better shooting is your best friend. Vindicators are okay, powerfists are good, especially in large numbers. Without the nice 3++ save with storm shields, the usual countertactic of TH/SS termies isn't as good.
Shooty Orks: Deep strike and gut them They're flimsy as hell to shooting or close combat.
Trukks: Pop the trukks and laugh. Get rid of a KFF as early as possible again, but really, this shouldn't be hard to deal with, especially in KP games.

The only other build I can think of is Kan Wall, but I've never played it or played against it.

Thanks for the replys

He runs a mix of horde with battle wagons
Not too sure what's going to happen after that.


I was thinking of taking two baal predators with a terminator squad for the assault cannons or a Vindicator instead

Dante, with Meph and a command squad

Take tac squads in rhinos with flamers and rocket launchers

Against horde orks a unit of devastators with rocket launchers can be a very good purchase. If you get a chance for a shot on side armour on a wagon they can deal with that, too.

Da Boss wrote:Assault cannons only block FNP on a six, there are scarier things for Nobs.

I thought if you ignored a model's armor they couldn't take their FNP, in fact the BGB says that you can't take your FNP against any other wounds against which no armor saves can ever be taken. AP4 ignores the nobs armor, they can never take their armor save against it, so it ignores FNP...I thought.

Which no armour saves can ever be taken means AP2 and AP1, or power weapons.
It's sort of easy to make that mistake though.

Huh, I stand corrected then.

IMO Vindicator is better than terminators, it just seems able to do more, it's a S10 Pie, so it will kill hordes, AP1 so it definitely ignores FNP, will wipe out battlewagons, and is hard for their shots to kill.

Yep. And AV13 is reasonably hard for orks to deal with.

Lootas are gakked versus AV13.

G

They sure are.

Baal and Vindie will do a wonderful job of thinning down the horde but really shooting is the fools way of getting rid of big mobs of ork. A decent assault unit (DC or 10 assault marines with a p-fist) will wipe them out in one turn, a Baal needs 4 or 5.

Baal and Vindie will be tough for the ork player to kill but don't help you shut down the Battlewagon rush too quickly. Either a devvy squad or just a lot of lascannons in tac squads/dreads/razorbacks will do the job and multi-melta toting speeders or bikes will be boss as well.

Once you take the wagons out you can shoot the boyz as they advance and finally finish them off with assault marines (I would keep the jump packs on myself as that 18" charge range keeps you out of anything but a waaagh charge. Boyz lose when they don't get to charge and jump packs stop them charging, rhinos don't.)

Green Blow Fly wrote:Landraiders are pretty invulnerable to orks, especially if you keep moving them over 6".

I would take Dante & Corbulo for preferred enemy and furious charge.

G

Well, Land Raiders can be blown by those d*** power klaws.
It recognized that at the recent GT final.

Celtic Strike wrote:as a Blood angels player, ...I don't have any...assault marines.

Say what?!!

If you move the landraiders over 6" then orks need a 6 to hit and it pretty much nerfs their power klaws.

G

Assault terminators, sorry. Didn't proof read that.

I think the problem is tho that if I load up on heavy support and HQ I won't have any points for jump marines and Rhinos

any BA force without corbulo is losing out on too much. a 12" bubble of furious charge in the middle of your force is pure win.

Thanks again everyone, I'll let you know if I win or not.

Well I ended up playing kill points and won 8 to 6 mostly due to my Vindicator. Thanks

first of all dont bring to many tanks if its a small board.as they will get a waagh or turbo boost with nobs with PKs.bring lots of power weapons.and it should be an intereresting battle report so please do 1