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In my opinion anyway. Brought to my attention by TGN, these zombies which Enigma Miniatures now has up for pre-order, are everything I've been looking for in a zombie figure. A little cost prohibitive to get a nice big mob of them maybe (4 for 20.50€, $30.75, 18.85£) and they might be too tall for some of you, but just look at the beauties:



From the website:

This zombie set contains bits to compose 4 figures combining in many different ways, so you can get a broad range of different zombies.

The set contains:

- 4x legs set
- 4x torsos
- 4x bare zombie heads
- 4x hairy zombie heads
- 1x right arm with spear
- 1x right arm with axe
- 1x right arm with sword
- 1x right arm with hand scythe
- 6x left arms
- 4x shields

Height to eyes: 32-33mm
Height to the top of the head: 35-37mm

Very expensive, yes, but those are nice. If I was making a zombie diorama, I'd go for some of these fellows.

Pretty slick. Would like to see them done with a good paintjob (cause seriously, why advertise such great looking models if you dont show it off with an equally good paintjob?)

wow those are nice. too bad about the price.

The scale is also unfortunate. I've a feeling these would tower over many human figures rather severely.

Nice, those are some good zombies.

Good yes, but 30 bucks is getting close to insulting

Awesome models, but 4 for 20.50€? Good luck to sell more than 20.

These prices increases from GW are just too much!!! I'm going to sell my VC an-

Oh, wait, different company, scratch that.

Yeah, they are extremely nice, but comically expensive.

30+mm? That's bigger than Warmachine.

I wonder what system they're for.

Very nice indeed! But as stated, a bit on the expensive side.


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Ronin wrote:Pretty slick. Would like to see them done with a good paintjob (cause seriously, why advertise such great looking models if you dont show it off with an equally good paintjob?)

Hmm, I think its actually pretty cool (and honest) to see them unpainted on the site. You get a clear picture of what they are offering you. I've seen plenty of companies show off with some very impressively painted models only to realise that the great paintjob kind of hides the lousy quality of the model.

They are VERY nicely sculpted ,

one single complaint : Need Zombie like weapons.

If they weren't such a prohibitive cost a regiment of these would look amazing. For special projects or maybe some RPG's they might be appealing though with such amazing detail.

Well good sculpt is only half of the deal... that scale doesnt fit anything really and price a bit to much, so no deal for me.

Perfect for that undead basketball team project I've been thinking about!

Those miniaturesa look absolutely awesome - they blow GW zombies out of the water. Shame the scale's off and they're somewhat pricey.

It's not that hard blow blow GW's zombies out of the water as you put it! I mean...giant hands and cartoony faces :S

yeah, but GW models are 5 times cheaper. I'll settle for "alright" over "amazing" with that price difference.

Of course, if you only ever want or need 4 zombies, this is definately the kit to go for. But at almost £5 per zombie i can't imagine anyone buying more than one set.

Fair enough, but I wouldn't call the GW models "alright", they are too cartoony. I'd rather convert them or get them from another line.

But its very true that these are very expensive and quite out of scale.

Necroagogo wrote:Perfect for that undead basketball team project I've been thinking about!

rofl!

Metal I assume?

Those zombies are game specific.

They go to thier fantasy skirmish game line. All in all, ALL of the minis from this company are tight!


They work well for thier own line, but won't do for standard fantasy, GW, etc.

They look to stand about two heads taller then standard fantasy, and two to three heads smaller then 54 MM.


My suggestion?

Add the scale change to the product and get to cranking them out. 54MM, AND 28mm.

Biggest issue on the table for the standard game is that it is specific. You don't sell ANYTHING, unless you expand the market. What, the whole 4 people who play this game are actually going to buy enough to make a profit? No.

You need to market the product to get more exposure, if you are going to go this route.

Great figures, by the way. It is just a issue of scale.

Hell, for the cost of one unit I could sculpt a whole army of zombies and cast them.

Even for 30mm that is steep. 60mm I could understand it.

They are well sculpted though.

Considering how much money I tend to spend on stuff I don't really need, I might consider them, if I Zombies wouldn't be something I need in big hordes, no matter the system.

Yea, those are really nice, but other than Nurgle Chosen or CSM, they just don't make much sense. I would rather have the smaller and vastly cheaper Wargames Factory Zombies if I want to represent disposable horror sloths. Even as bases for Nurgle conversions they are a bit salty.

These aren't really intended as generic gaming minis, they are for painters first and foremost. That's why they don't fit a standard gaming scale or price. They started sculpting 54mm minis about three years ago, and are just now moving into 30mm scale (comparable to the original Confrontation minis)

I've heard they're working on a couple of games but haven't heard many details or even if they're available in english.

Unfortunately they're still working on the site, or I'd link some of their work. Although it's working checking out their site anyways, just to drool in anticipation.

Enigma Miniatures:
http://enigmaminiatures.com

I found one pic of one of their 54mm figures:



You're unlikely to see that quality of sculpting in any GW mini, thus the premium price.

I can appreciate top quality figures, and can accept paying a higher price for them.
However, making models that are not in scales popular for wargaming (15mm, 28-30mm or 54mm) seems to be a poor choice. I will readily buy very nice models with some vague excuse of using them as counts as figures for some army I don't even play, but a figure in a completely random scale removes even that overly broad justification. If I had infinite dollars I would happily buy some, but I really can't bring myself to drop cash and time on models I will never use other than painting and viewing pleasure.

Mastiff wrote:These aren't really intended as generic gaming minis, they are for painters first and foremost. That's why they don't fit a standard gaming scale or price. They started sculpting 54mm minis about three years ago, and are just now moving into 30mm scale (comparable to the original Confrontation minis).

Hi mate I find this statement interesting because if they are a company for painters foremost why are they moving towards 30mm?
At the end of the day any company just wants to sell as much as possible so maybe they are realising were the money is?
Also if these are not for gaming purposes why make multipart and multiples of same concept?
I just think scale wise they are neither fish or meat and was a poor choice to make them so big that they dont fit anything and so small that they are not the best choice as complement ofr their bigger ranges aimed for hardcore painters.

Mastiff wrote:
You're unlikely to see that quality of sculpting in any GW mini, thus the premium price.

Price tag in GW is Huge and this is even bigger even at bigger quality standarts its just to much. IMO

NAVARRO wrote:

Mastiff wrote:These aren't really intended as generic gaming minis, they are for painters first and foremost. That's why they don't fit a standard gaming scale or price. They started sculpting 54mm minis about three years ago, and are just now moving into 30mm scale (comparable to the original Confrontation minis).

Hi mate I find this statement interesting because if they are a company for painters foremost why are they moving towards 30mm?
At the end of the day any company just wants to sell as much as possible so maybe they are realising were the money is?
Also if these are not for gaming purposes why make multipart and multiples of same concept?
I just think scale wise they are neither fish or meat and was a poor choice to make them so big that they dont fit anything and so small that they are not the best choice as complement ofr their bigger ranges aimed for hardcore painters.

Mastiff wrote:
You're unlikely to see that quality of sculpting in any GW mini, thus the premium price.

Price tag in GW is Huge and this is even bigger even at bigger quality standarts its just to much. IMO

Yes, every business hopes to make money. But no one goes into the sculpting business expecting to get rich.

30mm is a "heroic" scale that allows for more realistic proportions and greater detail. Rackham did very well with it, and there are several other "boutique" mini companies that are renowned for their quality. There are thousands of painters and collectors willing to pay top dollar for a "canvas" that best displays their own painting skill. People happily take months to paint a single mini. These minis often have limited runs, never really intending to saturate the market.

SmartMax is another amazing boutique that aims for this target market:

http://www.smartmaxstore.com/

So to answer your question about why they pick a scale outside of the mass-combat scale, it's becasue that's not their audience.. It's like asking why anyone would buy a Lexus when they could buy a Chevy Cavalier for half the price. Each has their market.

Anyways, I completely agree that these aren't practical for mass wargaming, I just wanted to clarify why they pick a different scale and price. Hope this helps.

I dont necessary disagree with you mate and it was a bit of retorical questions.

What I'm trying to say is; probably the scale down, multipart and multiples of same miniature is a new thing for them and their target is shifting to a hipotetical more profitable wargames field? Thats what I find very interesting.