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The 40k would win the 40k as truck and star trek as a dog in front of the truck.Borg is nothing when you look at nids,crons,Imperium of Man and da Orks.Star Trek ethics suck.Don't bring those 8742 or Borg supermen myths becuase 40k would easly crush them the Imperium can also easyly destroy planet by phase 2 cylonic torpedo with melta charge.Q is nothing when comperaed to Emperor or Chaos Gods(heresy).

Gork and Mork are going to destroy the Q continuum.

And by "destroy", of course, I mean "party with all day".

Better comparison, 40k vs. the worst of every other sci-fi setting combined.

Kind of a lame comparison (no offense). Why would you feel the need to compare a utopia vision of the future to a dystopia/apocalyptic (I haven't picked one yet for 40k it seems to have many traits of both) one? Besides, Star Trek is a TV series with a naturally limited scope, and only really takes place in a fraction of galaxy with a tidbit here and there from other parts. Of course a galaxy spanning human empire would win XD.

Better vs: Jedi's vs Space Marines. That would be a awesome fight *nerd sense explode*

Why not throw 40k versus pretty much any anime crap ever devised. It'd be a sad day to be a 40k fan...

Unless it's Tau vs. an Mecha Anime in which they just pat each other on the back and exchange mobile suit parts...
Though Slaansh has no problems with the hentai and ... beyond...

Imagine borg resistance is futile against a space marine battlebarge since trekkie weapons are weak phaser is flashlight when you compare to to other 40k weapons such as plasma guns and star trek plasma weapons are weak imagine this a marine fires plasma gun and the plasma cuts through sveral bulkhead on trek ship.Apocalypse class nova cannon woulds mop that 2800 Dominion fleet with ease.Do you know what is the power of the most arhaic torpedo in 40k 600 gigatons or marine tearing 10 borg drones with his bare hands with ease.Heavy bolter cutting mopping borg drones.Awesome.


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Their ethics suck loss of 1 man acceptable.Xeno lovers heresy!
Capitain Picrad doing facepalm as space marine raises him over his head.

Who Would Win?

40k

Why?

It takes Starfleet 9001 years to cross the Galaxy (Voyager).

It takes the Imperial Navy a few months to a few years.

40k= win

Trekkies suck, star wars is better, both in general and for a comparison.

RustyKnight wrote:Why not throw 40k versus pretty much any anime crap ever devised. It'd be a sad day to be a 40k fan...

Tau.

I think the greatest weapon in the 40K arsenal is ruthlessness. Also, surprise and a fanatical dedication to the pope...emperor.

Kirk doesnt give a d@mn.

Throw anything in the universe up against him...but say goodbye to it first.

I laughed so hard at picard dignity demotivational poster.

IvanTih wrote:The 40k would win the 40k as truck and star trek as a dog in front of the truck.Borg is nothing when you look at nids,crons,Imperium of Man and da orks.Star Trek ethics suck.Don't bring those 8742 or Borg supermen myths becuase 40k would easly crush them the Imperium can also easly destroy planet by phase 2 cylonic torpedo with melta charge.Q is nothing when comperaed to Emperor or Chaos Gods(heresy).

This post is nigh incomprehensible.

And why you are dakkaite you should be at 40k side.I hate those ethics in star trek.

Oh gak, no one ever told me that 40K was a lifestyle choice! What would I have ever done if you hadn't come along?

IvanTih wrote:Imagine borg resistance is futile against a space marine battlebarge since trekkie weapons are weak phaser is flashlight when you compare to to other 40k weapons such as plasma guns and star trek plasma weapons are weak imagine this a marine fires plasma gun and the plasma cuts through sveral bulkhead on trek ship.Apocalypse class nova cannon woulds mop that 2800 Dominion fleet with ease.Do you know what is the power of the most arhaic torpedo in 40k 600 gigatons or marine tearing 10 borg drones with his bare hands with ease.Heavy bolter cutting mopping borg drones.Awesome.


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Their ethics suck loss of 1 man acceptable.Xeno lovers heresy!
Capitain Picrad doing facepalm as space marine raises him over his head.

I think I counted 7 periods and 1 exclamation point in this post. There are at least twice that many sentences.

My head is now sufficiently hurt, and I think my IQ dropped a couple of points.

Star Trek's actually pretty low on the power scale as far as scifi is concerned. It's only meant to be a few hundred years in the future, nations each take up a small fraction of a poorly explored and thinly settled galaxy, and ships are for the most part small and spread thin. That's basically the premise of the show. Stacking them up against the grim darkness of the 41st millennium where there is only war is a clear mismatch.

Did you all for get about the klingons and Romulians, there weapons are not Phasers,(phasers are partial weapons) there disrupters, which means they tear you from the inside out. So you get shot in ur pinkie toe your going too bleed out.( they have a anti clogging agent in the engeryfield)
Then Borg tech , well first time the space marines fires there bolter, there self defence shields will adapted and over come, then what would be worst a space marine drone..... better yet Tyraind drones....

Then there speies 4792 ( what ever there called) from fluidic space, Just dont compare the good guys.
Yeah there ships may be slower but they do have cloaking devices and phaseshifting cloaks


http://www.merzo.net/index.html

here a link to size comparison of different ships from all movies including 40k ships too

But im not a trekkie or trekker or a fan boy, i just enjoy all scifi shows and there history.
IMO the star trek Univervise is more dangerous, I mean IN 40k there only war, no politics history of betrail by other races....

StarGate wrote:
Yeah there ships may be slower but they do have cloaking devices and phaseshifting cloaks

Trek Ships are actually more dangerous than their 40k counterparts.

If you're talking cross-galactic speeds, your talking hyperspace, warp jumps and such...this is fine.

However, 40k space battles take place at sub-light speeds, not so with ships from trek.

A phaser isnt weak. Phased-Laser is the correct term. A Phaser is usable at Faster-Than-Light speeds where as lasers are not. Trek ships could use Warp speed maneuvering to fly circles around the slow ponderous 40k ships and take their time picking them apart.

The Enterprise doesnt have much to fear from a cruiser who's primary armament are torpedo's and other solid projectiles (nova cannons included) that move slower than light.

Even the original series Enterprise has been boasted by Kirk to be able to lay waste to an entire planet. I dont see any rules (other than the planet killer) for attacking actual planetary populations.

If you're really well versed in both Trek AND 40k, you cannot possibly think that 40k navies would do ANYTHING but be completely scuttled when pitted against the Star Fleet.

I say this as both a hardcore fanatic of Star Trek AND a hardcore player of Gothic.

Trek ships are more powerful combatants.

Another add on... what about the Tv series Battle of the planets... the Agro...... that ship was slow but it took a lot of punishment, Wave motion cannon, Shockcannons, hyperspeed torpedos, and a fighter squadron of black tigers attack craft.....

I mean we can go on and on ... its like comparing apples too oranges there both fuirt but different types.

40k is 40 thousands years in the furture and star trek is only a few hundred years in the furture... just remember that... lol

you can go faster than light all you want, it won't matter when a psyker boils your captains head, and terminators teleport onboard to blow up your warp drive.

Sorry but I can't resist:

StarGate wrote:Did all of you for get about the Klingons and Romulans, their weapons are not Phasers (phasers are particle weapons) they're disrupters, which means they break the bonds between the atoms of whatever they hit (Yeah you were way off XD).

As for the rest there's not much to do to actually fix it. Space Marines would not have their weapons rendered useless against the Borg, quite the opposite. The Borg don't have shields strong enough to really stop anything, they're designed to adapt to energy frequencies and render things like phasers and disruptors harmless. Several episodes of the various Star Trek series' actual suggest the Borg might be abnormally vulnerable to solid projectiles on an individual basis.

I doubt the Borg could pose a real threat to the Imperium of Man, contrary to how the show may present them, they are actually not that many in number when compared to the Galaxy as a whole. The Imperium could beat them like they beat everything else, force of numbers in nothing else. The Borg would be unlikely to assimilate the Tyranids. As a race that has no "technology" or "sentience" per se, I doubt the Borg would have a real interest. More so, the Borg are again, few in number. The Nids could overwhelm them even more easily than the Imperium and the Nids are the Species 8472 of 40k. We've already seen how that turned out.

And why are we bringing "Species 8472" into this? They're a peaceful race in another dimension. They're not gonna go picking fights and the races of 40k don't seem to interested in crossing into other levels of space when they got plenty to kill in their own.

Like I said before: Star Trek vs 40k really is not a very interesting comparison. The Borg are probably one of the larger civilizations in Star Trek and they're easily dwarfed by the 40k Orks or Humanity. Plus the technology present in 40k is vastly superior to that presented in Star Trek, so I doubt the Borg would stand much of a chance. Star Wars is a much more interesting comparison I agree. There are actually some fights I'd love to see: Imperial Fleet vs Imperial Fleet, Jedi vs Space Marine, Guardsmen vs Clonetroopers etc.

Horst wrote:you can go faster than light all you want, it won't matter when a psyker boils your captains head, and terminators teleport onboard to blow up your warp drive.

If you know anything about starship combat (games at least) you know that speed is everything.

Cannot teleport (the equivalant of beaming) onboard a ship when sheilds are up.

Psykers have no role in Starship combat. 40k Psykers are apparently not powerful enough to be a factor in a starship engagement, otherwise there would be rules for such in gothic.

The statement that the Enterprise could destroy an entire planet was retconned ages ago. The official standing now is that you would need a whole fleet os ships to destroy a world in Star Trek by conventional means. Also, the speed of ships in Star Trek though faster than their 40k equivalents, isn't really fast enough to pull a Neo. More so, the Imperium still has numbers on its side and Star Fleet has no "Warships."

I would also argue a Terminator might be able to teleport regardless of shields. Their teleportation is different from Star Treks in that they pass through the warp and are not dematerialized and rebuilt on the other end. Other things have gotten past Star Trek shields in a similar manner.

Then there comes the basic fact: Most races in Star Trek suck at war. Star Fleet has never shown a sign of an infantry force let alone artillery, tanks, or close support aircraft, and the infantry forces seen in the series are grossly inferior to those shown in 40k. Space is only half the battle.

LordofHats wrote:
Like I said before: Star Trek vs 40k really is not a very interesting comparison. The Borg are probably one of the larger civilizations in Star Trek and they're easily dwarfed by the 40k Orks or Humanity. Plus the technology present in 40k is vastly superior to that presented in Star Trek, so I doubt the Borg would stand much of a chance.

I call foul here.

Tech in 40k is IN NO WAY MORE ADVANCED than in Trek.

Trek=Beam and Energy weapons are primary weapons systems.

40k= mostly projectile weapons, slow, unwieildy and again, never having a chance of hitting the Enterprise if on alert.

Lets not forget that in the 40k universe, MUCH tech has been lost over the course of time. You cannot tell me that a ship which uses the manpower of thousands of slaves in order to load a single sub-light nova cannon shell is more advanced than a ship armed with beam weapons that uses Tractor-beam Technology in order to alter the coarse of an asteroid the size of a small moon.

Trek Ships are more advanced. Probably due to the losses of technology that has plagued the Imperium for the last several thousand years.

In fact, the Imperium is essentially moving BACKWARDS technologically if you think about it....while the Star Fleet is all about learning, research and study.

FOR THE EMPEROwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaitaminute.

Terminators teleporting onboard....great, just what the security force could handle easily.

Terminators, encumbered with heavy armour against lighter and faster opponents that are able to take cover against the solid projectiles.

Terminator fills hall....then is vaporised by a phaser set on maximum. Phasers have no problem with this sort of work.

Numerical advantage manpowerwise doesnt mean much. A single phaser can be used to slaughter hundreds of men easily. (see: The Omega Glory)

With a phaser in hand, your numbers account for nothing.

LordofHats wrote:Like I said before: Star Trek vs 40k really is not a very interesting comparison. The Borg are probably one of the larger civilizations in Star Trek and they're easily dwarfed by the 40k Orks or Humanity. Plus the technology present in 40k is vastly superior to that presented in Star Trek, so I doubt the Borg would stand much of a chance. Star Wars is a much more interesting comparison I agree. There are actually some fights I'd love to see: Imperial Fleet vs Imperial Fleet, Jedi vs Space Marine, Guardsmen vs Clonetroopers etc.

We already had a thread for that. The final score seemed to be:

Galactic Empire > Imperium of Man
Warhammer 40k > Star Wars
Chaos > Other factions in a free-for-all
Mandalorkians = Cool idea, you're all welcome