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HQ:
Ghazghkull Thraka
[225]

Mega-Armored Warboss
w/ Attack Squig, Bosspole, Cybork
[130]

Troops:
(5) Meganobz
w/ 2x Shoota-Scorchas
Battlewagon
w/ Armor Plates, Boarding Plank, 2x Big Shootas, Killkannon, Reinforced Ram, Red Paint Job
[395]

(5) Meganobz
w/ 2x Shoota-Scorchas
Battlewagon
w/ Armor Plates, Boarding Plank, 2x Big Shootas, Killkannon, Reinforced Ram, Red Paint Job
[395]

(20) Slugga Boyz
Nob w/ Bosspole, Power Klaw
[160]

(20) Slugga Boyz
Nob w/ Bosspole, Power Klaw
[160]


(20) Slugga Boyz
Nob w/ Bosspole, Power Klaw
[160]

Heavy:
Battlewagon
w/ Armor Plates, Boarding Plank, 2x Big Shootas, Reinforced Ram, Red Paint Job
[125]

Battlewagon
w/ Armor Plates, Boarding Plank, 2x Big Shootas, Reinforced Ram, Red Paint Job
[125]

Battlewagon
w/ Armor Plates, Boarding Plank, 2x Big Shootas, Reinforced Ram, Red Paint Job
[125]

[2000]

Simple concept. Rush up and beat face.

C&C?

Ace list. Great job. Only problem is that going with as many wagons sacrificing their combat potencial for all isnt good. Consider atleast some deff rollas.

Nice list, I agree with w0chtulka I would add some deffrollas.

I like the all battlewagon list, but I don't rate meganobz. They don't have invulnerable saves and will get pounded by ap2 weaponary and power weapons. For this reason I'd take nobz, and you still take the battlewagon.

Meganobz have 5+ invul. Mega armour is terminator armour.

Negative. Mega armour does not have 5+ invulnerable save. See p39 of the ork codex

Holy crap! Meganobz are totally useless then...

w0chtulka wrote:Holy crap! Meganobz are totally useless then...

...what?! That is a silly thing to say. They are pretty good, all things considered. Sure, no Invulns, but they have 2 wounds a piece, so that helps.

w0chtulka wrote:Holy crap! Meganobz are totally useless then...

So a 5+ is all that separates a unit from being effective and totally useless?

Depending on who you are playing i like to go with Warbosse in the meganob squads and have old Z in there if you know the person you are playing will have a few independent characters. Haveing that chance to kill someones big bad HQ just by rolling a higher D6 them then is devastating.

As far as Mega nobs go they are so worth it. A Nob with a powerklaw and eavy armor will run you 50 points. that only gives you a 4+ save and still only have one wound. Were a Mega nob only runs 40 points has the powerklaw a +2 save and 2 wounds.


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On top of it all if you want to keep the Mega Nob army you can put the Doc in there and pay for the megas to have cybork bodies and have the involnerable save

Sorry i said it too strong. They can actually be quite usefull but everyone has AP1 or 2 with S8 and bigger. Normal nobz are two wounds, have invuls and FNP. Also all of them doesnt have klaws, are not slow and purposeful (...)

w0chtulka wrote:Sorry i said it too strong. They can actually be quite usefull but everyone has AP1 or 2 with S8 and bigger. Normal nobz are two wounds, have invuls and FNP. Also all of them doesnt have klaws, are not slow and purposeful (...)

This proved somewhat true, as my own army managed to throttle those MANz with Melta fire during testing. I am not sure just how effective basic Nobs would be though.

It really comes down to his style, so I will propose a few options to him. I know he was hellbent on going for Bad Moonz, though, so the MANz appeal is hard to break.

Thanks for the help, everyone.

I think just take normal nobz instead mega ones. They are pretty rich to have power klaws etc aye?

Mega nobs > nobs

Yes they are rich... but nobz will kill meganobz in CC

1. Not having a Big mek with a Kustom Force Field significantly decreases the survivability of your entire army. Ponder on that.

2. Why are you taking Bosspoles? With Ghazghkull in your army, your entire army is fearless the turn you Waaaugh! and any halfway decent ork player will pile their entire army into the enemy on the Waaaugh! with a 27" assault range, guaranteeing that they get the assault and that you're fearless while doing it. Bosspoles are extra points you don't need. On the turn you charge, you either decisively end the enemy, or you don't. Bosspoles are extraneous.

3. Nobs *are* more powerful than meganobs, in large part due to wound allocation magic and a painboy.
-Painboy
-Bosspole
-Waaaugh! Banner
-Powerklaw
-Powerklaw + Kombi-Skorcha
-Powerklaw + Ammo Runt
-Big Choppa
-Big Choppa + Kombi-Skorcha
-Big Choppa + Ammo Runt
-Normal Nob

That's my favorite configuration for nobs; I give them all 'Eavy Armor and they go into a vehicle. They're WS5 because of the banner, the painboy, bosspole, waaaugh! banner, and Normal nob are striking at I4 with STR5, big choppas at STR7, and powerklaws at STR9. With two wounds apiece, and 10 models all fitting into different wound categories, you can take 10 wounds without losing a single model. Having 4+/4+ is immensely strong, and with a 27" charge range....YOU decide where they go and who they attack, and where to apply their power.

Everything else I would say (including this advice to be honest) I've written dozens of times throughout other threads, which I'd encourage you to read. Here's a couple:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/265245.page#1113036
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/266100.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/263869.page

Good list but why are there 2 different units of meganobz. Make a single unit of 8 and put them, along with the warboss and ghaz, in a BW. Then with the points saved i'd buy some deff rollas and if you have enough points, deffkoptas.

NO KILLKANNOS! sorry, but I really dislike them and don't think they are worth the points, your wagons are primairily for transport, you don't have time to wait around and shoot. As you said "sipmle, concept rush ahead and bash the enemy". Keep it simple, orks are simple.

Dashofpepper just putted his master opinion here. But he has forgotten to mention cybork bodies.

Sorry guys, but I had already worked up an alternative. I feel silly that I didn't posdt it, but it had a KFF Mek and whatnot. The Meganobz are so damned expensive, I might be able to convince my friend not to bother.

As this isn't really for me, I will read through your stuff, Dash, and point him in that direction.

Thanks everyone!

HQ:
Ghazghkull Thraka
[225]

Big Mek
w/ Bosspole, Burna, Cybork, 'Eavy Armor, Kustom Force Field
[125]

Elites:
(6) Mega-Armored Nobz (Mek)
w/ 5x Shoota-Scorchas
Battlewagon
w/ 2x Big Shootas, Boarding Plank, Grot Riggers, Red Paint Job, Reinforced Ram
[385]

Troops:
(6) Mega-Armored Nobz (Thraka)
w/ 5x Shoota-Scorchas
Battlewagon
w/ 2x Big Shootas, Boarding Plank, Deff Rolla, Grot Riggers, Red Paint Job
[400]

(20) Slugga Boyz
Nob w/ Bosspole, Power Klaw
[160]

(20) Slugga Boyz
Nob w/ Bosspole, Power Klaw
[160]

(20) Slugga Boyz
Nob w/ Bosspole, Power Klaw
[160]

Heavy:
Battlewagon
w/ 1x Big Shootas, Boarding Plank, Grot Riggers, Red Paint Job, Reinforced Ram
[115]

Battlewagon
w/ 2x Big Shootas, Boarding Plank, Deff Rolla, Grot Riggers, Red Paint Job
[135]

Battlewagon
w/ 2x Big Shootas, Boarding Plank, Deff Rolla, Grot Riggers, Red Paint Job
[135]

[2000]




This list right? I still feel you should sacrifice some thing more to get the last 2 Deffrollas in only need to fine 30 pts once the Ramms are gone. 5 of them could be EA or cybork off the Bigmek 2 s/s off the mega nobs or 1 ss and the burna off the big make (he can just hide ina BW after all)

Yea, that looks like the list. I do post them in so many places, its hard not to find them. I don't think the list really needs ALL those Rollas, does it?

It does. Your opponent is going to avoid deffrolla wagons and try pop them from distance while when you got all deff rollas he cannot choose which to engage.

Trust me deffrolla's are amazing. IMO even if where you play does not allow it to be used against vehicles, it can still do some nice damage to infantry. Yeah it has no AP, but it wounds just about every model in the game on a 2+, with no to hit roll. That at least gives them some kinda use after they have dumped their payload of boyz. That way when you use them as a wedge to seperate their army while you mop up one side your opponent will be fearful of getting close lol.

Your going to get better range and efficiency out of 2 Nob squads w/ feel no pain and cybork bodies than that 5 Man Meganob.

Hollismason is right. I just think i wouldnt go too large squads if taking two of them. It enemy deathstar unit appears just send both nobz + some boyz there.