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wisdomseyes1 wrote:What does YMDC stand for... people say it all the time but the glossary gives me nothing.

wisdomeyes1: If you will notice, the acronym turns yellow(not this bright shade though), which the curser will reveal, as ShaiAhlude pointed out, is You Make Da Call.

Run a poll in the YMDC forum and see how many people agree/disagree with you about 'pivoting' to gain inches.

Indeed....there have actually already been YMDC threads and polls about it. Pretty unanimous too because the rules are quite clear on pivoting. Especially the part where you are told that pivoting does not count towwrds or against movement. If you want to house rule it in your own games, that is fine. In a tournament, if you start fussing about it, your opponent is going to laugh at you, clip open the Rulebook and give you 30 seconds to get on the same page, or call over the TO who will tell you to stop wasting his time.

It really *isn't* a contentious issue.

@DashOfPepper

I have a theory, and i'd like you to comment on it:

How much melee units you need on your roster?

If you want an assault-based army, you need (at least) one unit for each 500 points.

If you want a shooty army with melee units for timing assaults, you need one unit for each 1000 points.

Your Wych Cult, for example, has 4 wych units, your Kabal list has one Wych unit and one Beastmaster unit. Both rosters follow the theory.

I've been building my lists using that theory, and it seems like an easy (and effective) way for building a good DE army.

First of all, I want to apologize for bashing you in another forum. I had a preconceived idea and was wrong. For that, I apologize.

Secondly, that was a crapton of reading. Reading the advice, reviews and tactics and then this ten page monstrosity... I need to take a break after this.

Thirdly, Mudvayne? You couldn't go more epic like Kataklysm's Ambassador of Pain? Much more fitting in my eyes. C'mon... The song title says enough. I also find the Viking themed Amon Amarth to be an excellent theme for Dark Eldar. I've always psyched up for 40k games. I played a lot of Emperor's Children pure sonic lists before my whole army was made useless.

As for psychology in 40k... It does exist. I've had one or more turns turned to my favor by having a certain friendly buxom lass come and faun over opponent's model at just the right moment. Using psychology and diversions to your advantage? Yes. Dirty? Absolutely? Worth the time and effort for the sex object? You better believe it.

Now for the rest... That was amazing. I've always love Dark Eldar lore, but stayed away from the army due to the hideous first gen models. With the re-release, I've jumped in with both feet and have already amassed a huge army (I love Apoc games). This was a great article. Not only did it change my player prospective, after reading it, I can distinctly recall previous mistakes in past games more clearly.

Personal thought/request: I would love to see some video BatReps.

Finally, Morgan? Have you ever tried Sailor Jerry? That's my rum of choice. Always has been. Always will be.

Woe to my local club. Soon I shall savor the lamentation of their women.

Kataklysm - Ambassador of Pain



Amon Amarth - Cry of the Black Birds

One dick thing I have found out that works really well is that with a trueborn squad in a raider, rather than in a venom can get plenty of side armor shots on vehicles, especially space marine vehicles.

Because of the increased length on the raider, I have found myself getting into range with blasterborn much more often than in a venom. It saved my ass against a grey knight player when I got past a cover save because I could manage a side armor shot.

Other than that, i feel music like this suits Dark Eldar much more than most other types of Metal. When I hear Amon Amarth, I think Space Wolves, honestly.




Note that I am a gigantic fan of Amon Amarth.

To be fair, Vikings (aka the pillagers, looters and rapists of the Dark Ages) fit more into Dark Eldar mythos than that of Space Pups.

While true that the pillagers did that, most Vikings were not raiders, most were tradesmen and fishermen if they had anything to do with the water in the first instance.

Personal preference, I suppose.

Xelkireth wrote:To be fair, Vikings (aka the pillagers, looters and rapists of the Dark Ages) fit more into Dark Eldar mythos than that of Space Pups.

Exept that the Space Wolves have a very relaxed relationship to death with grim humour on it like Viking culture had (if we are to belive the mythis) while Dark Eldar are quite squimish about the whole Slanesh draining there soul. Vikings where not vampiers. And vikings did not have a lott of aristocratic thinkering.

But get back on topic. Do not sidetrack with fluff discusion.

Niiai wrote:

Xelkireth wrote:To be fair, Vikings (aka the pillagers, looters and rapists of the Dark Ages) fit more into Dark Eldar mythos than that of Space Pups.

Exept that the Space Wolves have a very relaxed relationship to death with grim humour on it like Viking culture had (if we are to belive the mythis) while Dark Eldar are quite squimish about the whole Slanesh draining there soul. Vikings where not vampiers. And vikings did not have a lott of aristocratic thinkering.

But get back on topic. Do not sidetrack with fluff discusion.

Squeamish? Have you read the codex? We revel in it. We suck your souls out of your tormented body and sup on the substance of your life energy. Our Craftworld cousins are the squeamish ones.

How do any of your Dark Eldar lists respond to having the initiative seized from them?

I don't mean against Vect, Cato, Coteaz, or anything where it's more likely to happen, just the run of the mill 1/6 chance where you thought you were going first, but now aren't.

DarknessEternal wrote:How do any of your Dark Eldar lists respond to having the initiative seized from them?

I don't mean against Vect, Cato, Coteaz, or anything where it's more likely to happen, just the run of the mill 1/6 chance where you thought you were going first, but now aren't.

Well, going by his examples of the two games he lost with his DE, they respond by losing.

withershadow wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:How do any of your Dark Eldar lists respond to having the initiative seized from them?

I don't mean against Vect, Cato, Coteaz, or anything where it's more likely to happen, just the run of the mill 1/6 chance where you thought you were going first, but now aren't.

Well, going by his examples of the two games he lost with his DE, they respond by losing.

Well that is a problem when you have paper airplanes with squishy T3 guys. You may have a boatload of cannons at the start but when 1/3 of them are dead it kind of sucks.
Seizing is the big problem otherwise hopefully you can place them behind cover or at worse, reserve things. Speed is your ally but the king is getting the first shot.

Not necessarily. It's certainly a problem, but most people don't deploy 2nd and bank on seizing the initiative. Therefore, maybe 9/10 times of being seized on, your opponent can't crush 1/3 of your boats b/c they aren't set up to do it. Also, DE should be deploying the way Dash shows his deployent on page 1, granting cover saves to 75% of the army and let the ones in front bank on a flickerfield save.

DarknessEternal wrote:How do any of your Dark Eldar lists respond to having the initiative seized from them?

I don't mean against Vect, Cato, Coteaz, or anything where it's more likely to happen, just the run of the mill 1/6 chance where you thought you were going first, but now aren't.

Hi! I'm a friend of Dashofpepper. He no longer has posting privileges on Dakka, and is merging into Hulksmash's blog to write his tactical articles and battle reports from. You can find it here: http://hulksmash-homeplace.blogspot.com/
He will probably get this guide and his other ones moved over there sooner or later and be able to respond and answer questions.

For crying out loud...can't we all get along? Seriously, this is why we can't have nice things.

...what the. Why'd he get banned?

All this jazz http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/370360.page
But we arent supposed to talk about members who are not with us at the moment. (apologies to MODs possibly reading this for bending the rules)
Also, he is not banned, just suspended.

Right, my bad. Apologies!