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That bug looks pretty damn cool, and I really like that bare Marine head.

Intriguing, trying not to let optimism take over but this is definitely intriguing

I dont really like the gun (or at least how they modeled it), it's like it's trying to be both a normal LMG, and some type of larger overhand gun (like fictional miniguns)

Very nice, I'll be getting a few boxes of each. A table full of marines and bugs will look pretty damn hot I reckon.

Wow someone took my minds eye for the arachnids from the book version of starship troopers.

BUGS!!!!!

YEAHHH that is what i am talking about...

That is promissing, very promissing...

Love the bug and the marine, with a little work I think you could make some great smart guns, and some great colonial marines. Cant wait to see the germans

They look just like the concept art that was drawn up. EXCEPTIONAL!

How much and when?

Those bugs are very good.

The bug's forelimbs (i.e. Arms) look pretty goofy the rest of it aint too bad though.

If one Was going to make knock offs of a certain type of alien, why would you choose to make SST movie arachnid knock offs and not Geiger's alien knock offs?

The later done in this scale would sell themselves...

I love all the Aliens movies (even 3), but really SST is way better suited to selling lots of minis, as the scenes are way more evocative of a tabletop game. Big armies, fleets of spaceships, hordes of bugs, etc.

two words...Starship FU#@ING TROOPERS!!

Starship Troopers (the book) is also timeless ultra-classic sci-fi, and I definitely get an "old school" vibe from Defiance Games.

ChocolateGork wrote:two words...Starship FU#@ING TROOPERS!!

Yes I know, but Mongoose already did that and it died on the vine...

In fact that is part of my concern: the Mongoose SST models can be bought for pennies on the dollar now.

So anybody looking to recreate SST can do so fairly cheaply with what were once officially lisenced SST models.

However nobody has done multi-pose Geiger-esque aliens in this scale, and they are something that could be used for a variety of things: tyranid proxies in both standard armies and as kill teams, alt. models for space hulk, used with various sci-fi rules sets, etc. Not to mention that thy are something that even the average gamer/nerd/movie fan might buy even if they arent planning to game with them...

That's because it would cost a fortune to get the Aliens license.

Brother SRM wrote:That's because it would cost a fortune to get the Aliens license.

Notice I said "Geiger-esque" as in close but not the same. Hell, Chapter house gets away with it...

I've been wanting multi-pose plastic Aliens for a long time. I guess the closest thing we'll get are those stupid clix models, lol.

As for the Defiance Games bugs, I'm not really sure about them yet. It looks like the bases they're on are a little too small, and the poses aren't too hot: one's kinda just like "HUG ME!" in my opinion.

CT GAMER wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:That's because it would cost a fortune to get the Aliens license.

Notice I said "Geiger-esque" as in close but not the same. Hell, Chapter house gets away with it...

Whichever company owns the alien license is a hell of a load bigger than GW.

CT GAMER wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:That's because it would cost a fortune to get the Aliens license.

Notice I said "Geiger-esque" as in close but not the same. Hell, Chapter house gets away with it...

I wouldn't use Chapterhouse for any kind of positive example when talking about copyright, but I'd rather not let that discussion start here. I like the bugs they're showing here, and I'm interested where the range goes. I figure the multiple poses for them will come more from differently sculpted parts rather than properly posing them.

Absolutionis wrote:This is what they originally looked like:

Spoiler:

They got much flack for it and changed it.

Hahaha wow

Blackhoof wrote:they have a scout vehicle called a warthog? *raises eyebrow*

at least it looks nothing like the halo one....

if they want to name something a warthog, fine, but at least make it something completely different from the iconic halo warthog. such as a tank.

It kinda looks like a Puma.

Antenociti wrote:It is, after all, an MRAP, and not a jeep...and MRAP's are BIG:

Not really that much bigger than a Hummer, tbh. The wheels are huge (because the vehicle is heavy as feth) and the storage containers make it look bigger than it is. Inside it's about the same capacity as the HMMWV they're replacing (maybe less).


Also, I like the new bugs much better than the old ones. Definitely a substantial improvement. Although they remind me a lot of the old Starship Troopers bugs.

Sidstyler wrote:...the poses aren't too hot: one's kinda just like "HUG ME!" in my opinion.

I agree. My own suggestion was that instead of the clumsy two-handed flailing ice pick attack, they'd strike more like a boxer's jab or a praying mantis, with the limbs spearing out directly away from the body, and that they should do some posing sketches to work out just how they should move so they might look good.

Tony responded by saying they did do some posing sketches.

Those bugs look amazing. I'm definitley going to get some as bio titans for 6mm/epic scale stuff.

AlexHolker wrote:Tony responded by saying they did do some posing sketches.

Well, Diego did. Tim just ignored them.



I've critiqued his "improvements" over there. Still, it's not as far removed from its concept art as the Marines were, so I have some hope restored for the hardsuits.

Also, these guys will apparently have an intelligent, spacefaring "cousin race" down the line, so it looks like Defiance are having a bob each way on book vs movie SST bugs.

Just fix the marines' goddamned guns. if they don't know how guns work, what rails are for and what the little boxes and tubes that go on the rails do, just ask on a forum. Lots of people actually know where the bits on rails go. or how to make them look like they could actually work.

They're very close, but they're not there yet.

Sidstyler wrote:I've been wanting multi-pose plastic Aliens for a long time. I guess the closest thing we'll get are those stupid clix models, lol.

As for the Defiance Games bugs, I'm not really sure about them yet. It looks like the bases they're on are a little too small, and the poses aren't too hot: one's kinda just like "HUG ME!" in my opinion.

Maybe no Gieger aliens, but the game is called 'Alien Wars' for a reason.

AlexHolker wrote:I agree. My own suggestion was that instead of the clumsy two-handed flailing ice pick attack, they'd strike more like a boxer's jab or a praying mantis, with the limbs spearing out directly away from the body, and that they should do some posing sketches to work out just how they should move so they might look good.

Tony responded by saying they did do some posing sketches.

Sure doesn't look like it, does it? These are embarrassingly bad. It's not 1995 anymore, guys!

Brother SRM wrote:I figure the multiple poses for them will come more from differently sculpted parts rather than properly posing them.

Nope. The legs, arms, and the joint between the upper and lower body are all ball-jointed, so they'll all be individually poseable. I specifically asked Tony about that a while back.

Though, for the record, I actually think the assembly will be rather fiddly, but on the other hand it'll let me do "mass of flailing, sharp, pointy limbs" and that's definitely a good thing in my book!

Personally, I'm going to have to come on the side of Alex and say I'd rather have jabby looking arms, but then I don't know if the arms above are representative of all the arm pieces that will be included.


As a side note, regarding the tactical rails on the rifles:

I'm not certain of all the accessories will be included on the Marine sprue, though I do know that it will contain a backpack and ammo pouches. However, the Heavy Weapon sets to be released later will included far more accessories. I'll make sure to bring it up the topic of assorted gun optics on the discussion group. However, please keep in mind that I am NOT a Defiance employee so my word doesn';t carry any weight beyond my own ability to whine loudly

Though, for the record, in the fluff (and in the game rules) USMC helmets DO include C&C gear and optics, so I'm going to hazard a guess that basic weapon sights are part of the package, probably tied into a sensor on the gun itself. The rails, then, would be for mounting specialized sights that do things not included in the standard optics package.

Speaking of which, I should probably bring this up to the writers to make sure they include the distinction between high tech forces and low-tech in terms of optics. Your bog-standard high tech soldier in the Alien War universe will have all the fancy imaging gear, but this won't necessarily apply to insurgents or the poor, hapless Chinese conscipts.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:I agree. My own suggestion was that instead of the clumsy two-handed flailing ice pick attack, they'd strike more like a boxer's jab or a praying mantis, with the limbs spearing out directly away from the body, and that they should do some posing sketches to work out just how they should move so they might look good.

Tony responded by saying they did do some posing sketches.

Sure doesn't look like it, does it? These are embarrassingly bad. It's not 1995 anymore, guys!

They are? They actually look very good to me. I don't see any reason why anyone should be embarrassed by these models.

I just found an interesting picture that might have some connection for Defiance Games.
http://sttheo.deviantart.com/art/Helldiver-APU-212830845?q=gallery%3Asttheo%2F3792282&qo=6