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Probably a coincidence, he says he was inspired by Ma. k. Much like defiance I think

Plus he has plenty of 40k pics, doesnt mean he works for GW. I assume

Absolutionis wrote:

This is what they originally looked like:

They got much flack for it and changed it.

What?

A company actually previewing a new product, getting feedback, and then improving it?

But, but, GW always told me that was impossible!

Its a lot easier using digital media to utilize that feedback process. GW very much still utilizes traditional methods, with the digitization process only being a very small component of it all. By the time GW previews a mini its too late to change it, they've already invested tens of thousand to hundreds of thousands of dollars into the product. Defiance is showing us previews of a much earlier stage, it only costs them the 10 bucks an hour or whatever it is they are paying their sculptor.

If Defiance can make good SF3D/Ma.K inspired power armour, I'll be a happy camper. Those things are awesome.

for the record i think the old bug looks good except for the head.

if they stuck an upsized version of the smaller bug's head on it, then you have yourself an elite Hive Guardian

jake wrote:I don't see any reason why anyone should be embarrassed by these models.

Tim possibly should. While they're definitely not terrible, they have a distinct "like the concept art, but worse" vibe to them.

AlexHolker wrote:

jake wrote:I don't see any reason why anyone should be embarrassed by these models.

Tim possibly should. While they're definitely not terrible, they have a distinct "like the concept art, but worse" vibe to them.

I have to disagree. I'm looking at the concept art and looking at the aliens, and they look pretty spot on. I honestly can't see what there is to complain about.

jake wrote:I have to disagree. I'm looking at the concept art and looking at the aliens, and they look pretty spot on. I honestly can't see what there is to complain about.

Here's what I wrote on the Defiance forums:

"Ah, but Tim's taken some rather detrimental liberties with Diego's concepts. He's shrunk the legs and cramped them up to fit them on the base, losing the dynamism and making it look unable to support its weight let alone dash across the board. Conversely, he's over-enlarged the arms, omitted the subtle predatory curve to the forelimbs and positioned them waving vaguely in the air, making them look heavy and lethargic. The body is overcomplicated with spurs and rounded cancerous nodules rather than the restrained ridges and grooves of the art and there's now an ugly unprotected gap between torso and abdomen. Limb position is easily altered; everything else is more problematic."

Construct wrote:

jake wrote:I have to disagree. I'm looking at the concept art and looking at the aliens, and they look pretty spot on. I honestly can't see what there is to complain about.

Here's what I wrote on the Defiance forums:

"Ah, but Tim's taken some rather detrimental liberties with Diego's concepts. He's shrunk the legs and cramped them up to fit them on the base, losing the dynamism and making it look unable to support its weight let alone dash across the board. Conversely, he's over-enlarged the arms, omitted the subtle predatory curve to the forelimbs and positioned them waving vaguely in the air, making them look heavy and lethargic. The body is overcomplicated with spurs and rounded cancerous nodules rather than the restrained ridges and grooves of the art and there's now an ugly unprotected gap between torso and abdomen. Limb position is easily altered; everything else is more problematic."

Hmm... okay. On one hand you are totally right. The model just isn't an exact reproduction of the concept art, and I do agree that the concept art is more attractive. On the other hand, while the differences you point out do exist, I feel like these are pretty minor concerns. The model is still (in my opinion) a very good re-creation of the concept art. I feel like you're nit picking, but maybe we just disagree. In any case, I don't think the sculptor has anything to be ashamed of, as was suggested. Even if the model isn't quite as nice (or in your opinion not nearly as nice0 as the very nice concept art, it's still a well done model.

If these 'Bugs' are a fair price I think I can ignore the minor 'flaws' that have been pointed out.

*cough*TELL US THE PRICE*cough*

The arguments regarding concept art vs execution are only half usefull. Unless you're doing a model reflecting an already produced IP, concept art really only exists as a guide to the sculptor. It's not a rigid predertermined blueprint. This is especially true if the concept art was oursourced and the sculpting is done in-house.

However, as seen here, releasing concept art can create disapointment in some fans if the product fails to capture aspects of the art that a given fan really liked.

In the end, I don't see the differences as flaws persay, just diversions from the concept that some will dislike and others won't care about.

Looks like theres some heads

The helmet for the USMC....well......I think its a 3D print. Looks kinda blocky?

Happy Boxing Day! A quick post to show off the USMC Full Enviro Helmet head. You'll get 2 of these per frame - so that you can outfit the full 24 troops this way if you choose. There are 4 other head options on each frame as well - to give you a total of 72 total heads/box.

Head for Panzergrenadier, I have no strong feelings one way or the other!

We're gearing up for the New Year here at DFG - so thought we'd show off a piece from an upcoming set - German Panzergrenadiers! The German PZG wear a full protective helmet in battle, but on patrol and in other less intense situations the men and women of the Bundeswehr have a field cap like this. The German PZG frame will let you outfit ALL your troops in helmets - or ALL in caps - or in a mix of bare heads, helmets, and caps.

I need some of those capped heads, looks like the perfect Munitorum driver/freight hauler conversion bit.

That looks like a very convincing Femal head.....aside from Infinity, and bearing in mind it's plastic, that's one of the best female heads I've seen!!

Hopefully we get just as good a female body to go with it, in fact, because the head is so good, you could probably get away with having the body armour the same as a male, maybe slightly smaller.....nice job.

That head is quite nice. I'm still iffy on the helmet. I can't decide if I like it or not. I think I really need to see a good sized pic of a well painted marine before I decide. I want to like these models, but the small pictures and poor paint jobs are keeping me on the fence.

@ Jake

What do you think of these compared to the Mantic Corporation Troopers that have been previewed?

Delephont wrote:@ Jake

What do you think of these compared to the Mantic Corporation Troopers that have been previewed?

I think they look well done, although I'm not a fan of the shoulder and helmet designs. They look well sculpted, but they don't match my tastes. That said, I'd like to see more photos and maybe get my hands on some models before I decide for sure. So often something that I don't quite care for at first will change my mind just by being a quality product. I tend to warm up to well made stuff.

jake wrote:

Delephont wrote:@ Jake

What do you think of these compared to the Mantic Corporation Troopers that have been previewed?

I think they look well done, although I'm not a fan of the shoulder and helmet designs. They look well sculpted, but they don't match my tastes. That said, I'd like to see more photos and maybe get my hands on some models before I decide for sure. So often something that I don't quite care for at first will change my mind just by being a quality product. I tend to warm up to well made stuff.

Thanks Jake! Hey - just wanted to say I've been reading your strip - awesome stuff!

Tony

DefianceGames wrote:

jake wrote:

Delephont wrote:@ Jake

What do you think of these compared to the Mantic Corporation Troopers that have been previewed?

I think they look well done, although I'm not a fan of the shoulder and helmet designs. They look well sculpted, but they don't match my tastes. That said, I'd like to see more photos and maybe get my hands on some models before I decide for sure. So often something that I don't quite care for at first will change my mind just by being a quality product. I tend to warm up to well made stuff.

Thanks Jake! Hey - just wanted to say I've been reading your strip - awesome stuff!

Tony

Oh, thanks!

Since i have your attention, is there any way we could see some better photos of the Marines. Maybe they're out there and I'm just missing them, but the photos I've seen are pretty small. This is a range I really want to like, and I'm eager for more details.

Jake

Ok, I am interested, where can I buy these? Their http://defiancegames.com/
website is confusing me.

dsteingass wrote:Ok, I am interested, where can I buy these? Their http://defiancegames.com/
website is confusing me.

You should be able to order right from this link: http://defiancegames.com/index.php/shop#ecwid:category=1831024&mode=product&product=7831674

Oh, Thanks man, but I was looking for the female heads in forage caps. You click shop, then german, just coming soon...

dsteingass wrote:Oh, Thanks man, but I was looking for the female heads in forage caps. You click shop, then german, just coming soon...

Grenadiers arent ready I think

oh, ok, thanks. Take my money, let me pre-order

You make a good looking army of these and I'll make you wealthy...

Do i detect an officers cap?

Delephont wrote:Hopefully we get just as good a female body to go with it, in fact, because the head is so good, you could probably get away with having the body armour the same as a male, maybe slightly smaller.....nice job.

That's the plan. Each sprue will have a pair of bodies, a pair of male heads, a pair of female, a pair of helmets, etc. Here's the male head:

I have money to give you for some of these too!

Wow, I think I'm really impressed. Those are some of the best "mainstream" plastic heads I've seen.....ever.

I think I'm going to be building an army.....but what game to use it in?


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Oh, I know, Tomorrows War, or Infinity!

Those capped heads are going to be popular with a lot of converters for many game systems.

I like the 'blocky' helmet head too - the shape is an interesting point of difference to all the round helmets out there.