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ph34r wrote:Which race has almost zero effect on anything? Tau.

It is CLEARLY intentional, with the tau just laying low before they pull out their anti-galaxy railgun and auto_win, duhh.

The tau derail gun. Looks like they used it on this thread too.

nomotog wrote:The tau derail gun. Looks like they used it on this thread too.

Well played sir. Well played indeed.

Tadashi wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Tadashi wrote:That's right. Better that listening to some robed philosopher tell you one thing and ask you you to do something else entirely. Faith can do things that would otherwise be impossible. Farseers and the Dark Gods are unpleasantly surprised to find Humans breaking out of prepared fates thanks to Mankind's belief that under the Emperor, their destiny is what they make it.


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I'd rather die or bow before Chaos rather that listen to those fools in the Ethereal Caste...

The Ethereal caste, you mean the leaders of the only faction in all of 40k with a high standard of living (except maybe craftworlders), higher even than earth today?

Where they do stuff that makes sense? And use camouflage instead of going to battle in red and yellow and white and purple like SM?

Where they evacuate the citizens when under attack?

Where they keep population density at manageable levels?

Where they don't use harsh physical labour/slavery?

Where their first instinct isn't slavery?

Where they realize swords have no places in gunfight?

Where they equip their soldiers with decent armour, in the hopes of them NOT dying?

Where they don't use meat grinder tactics, ever?

Yeah, and those Ethereals make use of subliminal messaging to control other Tau. And what makes you think the Imperium doesn't give a damn about the civilians? You don't know about the Salamanders Chapter's (and many other Chapters) dislike of collateral damage do you? Or the concentration/re-education camps that non-cooperative individuals in the Empire end up in? And no wonder they get slaughtered in close-combat, they're no good up close.

First of all, the Ethereals controlling tau through anything other than loyalty is supposition on the part of imperial observers.
And the Salamanders are a rarity, with exterminatus and commissars accounting for more deaths than any one battle ever could.
And the Inquisition...don't get me started on the Inquisition.

Actually a lot Imperial officers and Space Marines try to avoid collateral damage. And if there is, what makes you think they don't try to address it? Part of the Imperial Guard's duty is to oversee and assist in reconstruction after a war. And the re-education (*cough* concentration *cough*) camps are still there.

All this would be a great topic for another thread .

ph34r wrote:Which race has almost zero effect on anything? Tau.

If I remember right, the Third Sphere Expansion only occurred because we Imperials were busy with the 13th Black Crusade. In other words, the Tau were so scared of the Imperium that they would only attack when our back is turned. Yeah, typical xenos, cowards to the end, each and every one of them.

Except the Tau, had no knowledge that the Black Crusade was about or that there were few imperial forces free to engage them, it was simply coincidence and luck that it allowed them to take some imperial worlds during the 3rd sphere expansion.

The Imperium of man is a somewhat backwards, if massive collection of worlds, ruled by fear. Similar to how the church ruled in the Dark Ages, that's stagnating either going nowhere or in decline.

The Tau are a small, technologically adept empire that are on the rise, progressing at a phenomonal rate, though they are a fledgling empire and so really only have any influence and particular knowledge within several systems of their homeworld.

Currently if the Imperium turned its attention to them it would spank them yes, through sheer weight of numbers but it's too small compared to other enemies to care right now and who knows how they'll evolve in 6th ed.

Power Fist or Frost Axe.

My Cobra's D-Cannon! 9 inch template auto kills/pens what is under it and ignores cover saves. Think it ever does D3 against super heavies

Which race has almost zero effect on anything? Tau.

Gotta agree with this.They are to small to have any consequence on anything.

Stompa

Ovion wrote:Except the Tau, had no knowledge that the Black Crusade was about or that there were few imperial forces free to engage them, it was simply coincidence and luck that it allowed them to take some imperial worlds during the 3rd sphere expansion.

The Imperium of man is a somewhat backwards, if massive collection of worlds, ruled by fear. Similar to how the church ruled in the Dark Ages, that's stagnating either going nowhere or in decline.

The Tau are a small, technologically adept empire that are on the rise, progressing at a phenomonal rate, though they are a fledgling empire and so really only have any influence and particular knowledge within several systems of their homeworld.

Currently if the Imperium turned its attention to them it would spank them yes, through sheer weight of numbers but it's too small compared to other enemies to care right now and who knows how they'll evolve in 6th ed.

Agreed. Though the crusade to take the entire TE would have to be so massive, it would be forces that aren't off fighting orks or traitors elsewhere. If the Imperium assembled the man power to destroy 100 well defended worlds, there would be consequences.

Also, the tau military isn't even it's most powerful weapon. The water caste is. They can take entire worlds, infrastructure, economy, population etc. all perfectly intact, and they make it look easy.

They could take fortress worlds, fortifications that would ordinarily make an ork think twice, within a few months/years with 0 casualties.

ghostlight

im2randomghgh wrote:

Ovion wrote:Except the Tau, had no knowledge that the Black Crusade was about or that there were few imperial forces free to engage them, it was simply coincidence and luck that it allowed them to take some imperial worlds during the 3rd sphere expansion.

The Imperium of man is a somewhat backwards, if massive collection of worlds, ruled by fear. Similar to how the church ruled in the Dark Ages, that's stagnating either going nowhere or in decline.

The Tau are a small, technologically adept empire that are on the rise, progressing at a phenomonal rate, though they are a fledgling empire and so really only have any influence and particular knowledge within several systems of their homeworld.

Currently if the Imperium turned its attention to them it would spank them yes, through sheer weight of numbers but it's too small compared to other enemies to care right now and who knows how they'll evolve in 6th ed.

Agreed. Though the crusade to take the entire TE would have to be so massive, it would be forces that aren't off fighting orks or traitors elsewhere. If the Imperium assembled the man power to destroy 100 well defended worlds, there would be consequences.

Also, the tau military isn't even it's most powerful weapon. The water caste is. They can take entire worlds, infrastructure, economy, population etc. all perfectly intact, and they make it look easy.

They could take fortress worlds, fortifications that would ordinarily make an ork think twice, within a few months/years with 0 casualties.

Yeah...maybe if they went to Cadia or inside the Eye of Terror, they might make the Cadians and the Daemon Princes laugh so much they'll let them leave without killing them. Maybe if the Tau were closer to Hell's Gate or knew the true threat of Chaos maybe they might be more grimdark and less irritating. Please submit to the Greater Good...please.

Tadashi wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Ovion wrote:Except the Tau, had no knowledge that the Black Crusade was about or that there were few imperial forces free to engage them, it was simply coincidence and luck that it allowed them to take some imperial worlds during the 3rd sphere expansion.

The Imperium of man is a somewhat backwards, if massive collection of worlds, ruled by fear. Similar to how the church ruled in the Dark Ages, that's stagnating either going nowhere or in decline.

The Tau are a small, technologically adept empire that are on the rise, progressing at a phenomonal rate, though they are a fledgling empire and so really only have any influence and particular knowledge within several systems of their homeworld.

Currently if the Imperium turned its attention to them it would spank them yes, through sheer weight of numbers but it's too small compared to other enemies to care right now and who knows how they'll evolve in 6th ed.

Agreed. Though the crusade to take the entire TE would have to be so massive, it would be forces that aren't off fighting orks or traitors elsewhere. If the Imperium assembled the man power to destroy 100 well defended worlds, there would be consequences.

Also, the tau military isn't even it's most powerful weapon. The water caste is. They can take entire worlds, infrastructure, economy, population etc. all perfectly intact, and they make it look easy.

They could take fortress worlds, fortifications that would ordinarily make an ork think twice, within a few months/years with 0 casualties.

Yeah...maybe if they went to Cadia or inside the Eye of Terror, they might make the Cadians and the Daemon Princes laugh so much they'll let them leave without killing them. Maybe if the Tau were closer to Hell's Gate or knew the true threat of Chaos maybe they might be more grimdark and less irritating. Please submit to the Greater Good...please.

Because being under constant attack by orks and tyranids is not a 'true threat'

Obviously not cadia. Cadia is...different.

There are many fortress worlds in the Imperium.

I really like the look of the basic Tau Pulse Rifle and the Eldar Fire Dragon fusion gun.

Hellgun/Hotshot

Tau pulse rifle, the Empire should steal it and hand it over to every single guardsmen.

Bobthehero wrote:Hellgun/Hotshot

Tau pulse rifle, the Empire should steal it and hand it over to every single guardsmen.

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Hot shot pulse rifle hybrid :O Str 5 AP 3 ftw!

A pulse rifle flamethrower combo. It's a flame thrower that throws plasma !

Lasgun.
Old fluff said you could throw the power-cell in a fire and the heat would recharge it.
Now that's awesome.

2nd choice would be the old Barbed Strangler. If the initial shot (the seed) killed a guy, stangler vines erupted from him killing his friends nearby.

3rd Choice would be the old Venom Cannon that you needed the D12 to resolve with the old thuddgun template.

I still have the wargear book from back in 2nd edition, just because the descriptions are so awesome.

-Matt

im2randomghgh wrote:

Hot shot pulse rifle hybrid :O Str 5 AP 3 ftw!

I approve of this weapon

Also, does anyone else here just LOOOOOOOOOVE the old graviton gun?


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HawaiiMatt wrote:Lasgun.
Old fluff said you could throw the power-cell in a fire and the heat would recharge it.
Now that's awesome.

2nd choice would be the old Barbed Strangler. If the initial shot (the seed) killed a guy, stangler vines erupted from him killing his friends nearby.

3rd Choice would be the old Venom Cannon that you needed the D12 to resolve with the old thuddgun template.

I still have the wargear book from back in 2nd edition, just because the descriptions are so awesome.

-Matt

Glad to see someone else here on dakka still remembers 2nd ed *wiping tear from eye*

My favourite weapon would have to be Blood Talons.

Seriously. Two of these on a DC dreadnought decimate most units. 5 attacks on the charge, resolved at Str 7, WS 5, Rerolls to wound, no armour saves and every unsaved wound causes another attack.

Overkill.

Ranger long rifles.

Ridealgh wrote:Ranger long rifles.

Please, we all know pathfinders of the tau variety own the show

In the long ranged, sniper like weapon?

The Exitus rifle would like to have a talk with the remains of your head, should we come across them .

Bobthehero wrote:In the long ranged, sniper like weapon?

The Exitus rifle would like to have a talk with the remains of your head, should we come across them .

Better still, why don't we just use a Lascannon?

This aint no sniper...

It's far more effective though

Psycannons and deamon hammers for me.

Nemesis Warding Staves ftw!!

Weapon eh, Assassins are weapons, I'll take an Eversor please