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Jihadin wrote:We're not really sweating that are we?....so who's bringing me coffee at the water cannon? I've folding chairs set up for when Easy E ladies get into the protest formation...you know...arms up. pumping both fist in the air in rythem with a chant. knowing the water cannon is right there....everyone knows its like cold temp weather right?

Well in the interest of humanity we could make it luke warm water. If needed I could get a conga line of wiener dogs to waddle up and pee on their shoes.

True-fact: the older the wiener dog, the more rancid the pee. When their breath already smells like wet ass, the pee is just that much worse.

I may have stepped over the line earlier when I criticised my fellow dakka members, I hold my hand up to that.

But look at it from my point of view - I grew up in Britain during the 1980s and got hassled by police because I wasn't white. At the same time, miners on strike were getting the s**t kicked out of them by the police who were backed up by the security services. Now you can forgive me If I don't have policemen on my christmas card list. I respect the fact that they are needed for a functioning society, but that doesn't mean I have to like them.

So, when I see a video like this, which shows students getting pepper sprayed by some keystone cop, it makes my blood boil. When people on this site who are citizens of a nation that was born from protest, and did so well in the 1960s standing up to injustice, I scratch my head. Especially when they start banging on about petty details such as sitting on sidewalks.

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I may have stepped over the line earlier when I criticised my fellow dakka members, I hold my hand up to that.

But look at it from my point of view - I grew up in Britain during the 1980s and got hassled by police because I wasn't white. At the same time, miners on strike were getting the s**t kicked out of them by the police who were backed up by the security services. Now you can forgive me If I don't have policemen on my christmas card list. I respect the fact that they are needed for a functioning society, but that doesn't mean I have to like them.

So, when I see a video like this, which shows students getting pepper sprayed by some keystone cop, it makes my blood boil. When people on this site who are citizens of a nation that was born from protest, and did so well in the 1960s standing up to injustice, I scratch my head. Especially when they start banging on about petty details such as sitting on sidewalks.

Its not petty. Other people's rights end at my nose.

@Do_not_like_that

Think we can agree on right to protest right?
Think we can agree on right to assemble right?
Think we can agree on right to protest within the laws right?
Think we can agree on protest that follow MLK non violence way right?
Think we can all agree on its an individual(s) fault regardless on which side who screws up right?
.....wait...might get misconstrued that I might be agreeing to something I didn't mean.

luke warm water? you kidding me right....cold weather indicators...then they can pick up the weiners to um....well....a heating source

Jihadin wrote:@Do_not_like_that

Think we can agree on right to protest right?
Think we can agree on right to assemble right?
Think we can agree on right to protest within the laws right?
Think we can agree on protest that follow MLK non violence way right?
Think we can all agree on its an individual(s) fault regardless on which side who screws up right?
.....wait...might get misconstrued that I might be agreeing to something I didn't mean.

luke warm water? you kidding me right....cold weather indicators...then they can pick up the weiners to um....well....a heating source

Wiener dogs are nature's pot bellied heaters. They are worth 1.5x a full sized dog. Of course the little bastards eat a lot. Now thats a question. Which is worse, pepper spray or ten barking wiener dogs (a bark so sharp it will stop a riot...)

Common sense could have won the day here. Containment of the students, who probably would have drifted off to the pub after a few hours anyway, would have seen everybody happy.

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Common sense could have won the day here. Containment of the students, who probably would have drifted off to the pub after a few hours anyway, would have seen everybody happy.

Not nearly as entertaining though.

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I may have stepped over the line earlier when I criticised my fellow dakka members, I hold my hand up to that.

But look at it from my point of view - I grew up in Britain during the 1980s and got hassled by police because I wasn't white. At the same time, miners on strike were getting the s**t kicked out of them by the police who were backed up by the security services. Now you can forgive me If I don't have policemen on my christmas card list. I respect the fact that they are needed for a functioning society, but that doesn't mean I have to like them.

So, when I see a video like this, which shows students getting pepper sprayed by some keystone cop, it makes my blood boil. When people on this site who are citizens of a nation that was born from protest, and did so well in the 1960s standing up to injustice, I scratch my head. Especially when they start banging on about petty details such as sitting on sidewalks.

I understand where you're coming from. Those were bad times and people got abused by the state pretty hard.

But every large picture is made of small details. Ignoring them is dangerous.


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Dispassionate analysis of the actual facts is way more important than reactionary responses to what the video looks like in a single viewing. Law is complicated and we're dealing with an area where many people's rights intersect.

We have to have something to pick apart...and go dark humor to...some light humor thrown in...

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10 barking weiners....thats an assualt on ones ear drum...thats cruel.....but I like it...I've foamy earplgs to pass around

Slightly OT, but this new Thatcher film with Meryl Streep in it is really going to piss me off as well! Yes, the 80s had good music, but always take off the rose tinted spectacles. It was a grim time in many ways.

Jihadin wrote:We have to have something to pick apart...and go dark humor to...some light humor thrown in...

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10 barking weiners....thats an assualt on ones ear drum...thats cruel.....but I like it...I've foamy earplgs to pass around

no foamy earplugs can stop a weiner dog's bark! (unless its TBone's who sounds like an old smoker)

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Common sense could have won the day here. Containment of the students, who probably would have drifted off to the pub after a few hours anyway, would have seen everybody happy.

Yes common sense could have won the day. The could have left when they were told to, the could have left when they were told they were about to maced. It's certainly is a shame common sense didnt prevail, boo. Hoo.

Not shedding a tear here for them. Heard the police chief is also suspended with pay though. Also I believe the Chancellor like really trying to deflect as much.."guilt"...lack of words atm...from herself. She also kicked off an investigation. Still belive myself she failed the leadership role in this matter

Rented Tritium wrote:

HudsonD wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:
posse comitatus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

So, if I get it correctly...
Using Marines and Navy troops for law enforcement on US soil is strictly forbidden
Using Army and Air Force troops for law enforcement on US soil is strictly forbidden, unless the congress authorizes it.
That's it ?

That's BASICALLY the cliffs notes of it yeah.

Though it would be a very bad idea to send a military unit to college to quell a protest, given it worked out so well last time

youbedead wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:

HudsonD wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:
posse comitatus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

So, if I get it correctly...
Using Marines and Navy troops for law enforcement on US soil is strictly forbidden
Using Army and Air Force troops for law enforcement on US soil is strictly forbidden, unless the congress authorizes it.
That's it ?

That's BASICALLY the cliffs notes of it yeah.

Though it would be a very bad idea to send a military unit to college to quell a protest, given it worked out so well last time

You mean that one time at Kent State?

You are aware that prior to that it was done with no real issues, and there were a few instances afterwards where it was done without the same consequences. Kent State was a powderkeg situation--and to this day, there remains an unsubstantiated report of the National Guardsmen having been shot at. I'd very much suggest you read into the history and timeline of Kent State before shooting your mouth off.

CT GAMER wrote:

I'm still waiting for those people that protest at military funerals to get the wooly gak beat out of them, don't even care if the cops are doing it or just watching.

Supreme Court upheld their right to protest at a military funeral so no biggie. What they were spewing out at the protest is...way out there on the nutty relam. We had one here a few months back at Ft Meade, MD right outside our main gate. Duncan Donut is right outside the main gate. A lot of permanent party troops and wounded warriors get coffee at our beloved main gate Duncan Donut. On that day we donated a lot of tips since they made it free coffee for the military. Sign on window had "Protester's are not desired here." Course the police were also there at Duncan Donut due to the possibility of those chuckleheads might take out on the Indies that owned and operated.

You know. If I was going to protest. I make sure I have Taco Bell burrito's in the line open...and waiting on the powder hot sauce to be sprayed. I doubt it though since I be out looking for a job and taking showers..

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Chancellor Kahteli ordered the removal of the protest.

Well, the Chancellor is urging us all to just move on and put the whole incident down the memory hole.

AustonT wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

I'm still waiting for those people that protest at military funerals to get the wooly gak beat out of them, don't even care if the cops are doing it or just watching.

That's because they have lawyers. If it wouldn't be for that, we could all enjoy this:

They don't "have lawyers".

They are lawyers. The Westboro Baptist Church is basically a front for a family of lawyers. Anyone shuts them down--they sue on the basis of Constitutional Law.

They're very careful to stay just inside the law.

Well...now I know they're lawyers to...all the more reason to make me rush over to render first aid to any of them if they get hurt at a protest...yep...I rush right over...sip....sip sip..

Many mashups of brave Lieutenant Pike around now.

Rented Tritium wrote:They're very careful to stay just inside the law.

This.

As much as I'd like to see them beaten by the police, they are very clever about not doing anything that is actually illegal.

Turns out Frank Miller is a huge fan of "the movement."

http://frankmillerink.com/2011/11/anarchy

Can I get one of Pike with pepper spray of a protester holding a taco bell burrito?

Monster Rain wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:They're very careful to stay just inside the law.

This.

As much as I'd like to see them beaten by the police, they are very clever about not doing anything that is actually illegal.

Turns out Frank Miller is a huge fan of "the movement."

http://frankmillerink.com/2011/11/anarchy

Well Frank Miller is a giant tool, so that isn't a surprise...

His racist/extremist/hateful/nut job philosophical and political stances are well documented.

CT GAMER wrote:
Well Frank Miller is a giant tool, so that isn't a surprise...

Man, this can't be said enough.

The dude made interesting things that other people turned into really good interesting things.

But the man himself is inSANE.

Rented Tritium wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:
Well Frank Miller is a giant tool, so that isn't a surprise...

Man, this can't be said enough.

The dude made interesting things that other people turned into really good interesting things.

But the man himself is inSANE.

If you look up Jingoism in the dictionary you will find his picture. Some of his post 9/11 interviews in which he advocates all manner of atrocities against non-western peoples was an eye-opener to his degree of crazy.

Orson Scott Card is the same way. He lectured at my college not too long ago, and I went because well hey--I enjoyed "Ender's Game".

Man is a fething loon.