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frgsinwntr wrote:
Taking people seriously on the internet seems like a bad way to have a functional and sucessful society. Better?
Corrected your typo.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
frgsinwntr wrote:
Wishing harm on other people seems like a bad way to have a functional and sucessful society. Better?
Wishing harm isn't automatically bad, but not insulting anymore. So sure. It's wrong, but you're no longer insulting other posters for their opinions so awesome.
See when you first came in, you didn't say wishing harm, you said people who "believe they should have used more force" which is pretty far removed from "wishing harm" and is in fact, just an opinion. Then when I confronted you about it, you backpedaled the language down to "wishing harm" to be more defensible.
frgsinwntr wrote:
Taking people seriously on the internet seems like a bad way to have a functional and sucessful society. Better?
Corrected your typo.
: )
I'm glad you're enjoying this
Often times tho, humor has hints of truth
But it usually doesn't. This would be an excellent case of that.
Now back to our regularly scheduled protest
This would have been a much better protest at UC Davis. They even have their own protest mascot.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Say, I'm no expert, but given your enthusiasm on the matter, I've gotten curious on that topic, aren't there restrictions in the US about the use of army troops on US soil against US citizens ?
I've heard it mentionned before, but I can't remember where/when.
Say, I'm no expert, but given your enthusiasm on the matter, I've gotten curious on that topic, aren't there restrictions in the US about the use of army troops on US soil against US citizens ?
I've heard it mentionned before, but I can't remember where/when.
Say, I'm no expert, but given your enthusiasm on the matter, I've gotten curious on that topic, aren't there restrictions in the US about the use of army troops on US soil against US citizens ?
I've heard it mentionned before, but I can't remember where/when.
They're not using army troops. The troops just happen to be holding these high pressure hoses...
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
27 protest mascots.........................I like that protest.....wait...there was a actual school mascot there?
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Say, I'm no expert, but given your enthusiasm on the matter, I've gotten curious on that topic, aren't there restrictions in the US about the use of army troops on US soil against US citizens ?
I've heard it mentionned before, but I can't remember where/when.
The Posse Comitatus requires that the use of US Army troops to maintain law and order must originate in congress and does not adress the national guard, coast guard, marines, or navy. It's not an out and out prohibition, just a restriction. Is tha what you meant?
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
Think he was refering to using actual active duty combat troops to quell/maintain order in a rowdy protest. Example be the Rodney King riots. 82nd went on lockdown for a possible deployment to LA. Just a brigade not the division. Being that we would have sufficient enough force in under 8 hrs to put a halt on the chuckleheads. Yes we can.
Then the lawful and unlawful orders come into play.
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Yeah, they got pretty fond of tacking on "unless the executive decides to ignore this" on the end of a LOT of laws. It's gonna take a while to get rid of those.
Automatically Appended Next Post: It was fully reverted, btw.
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Doesn't really matter. There are ways around that. Lets say deploy troops in support of law enforcement. That we can do. Deployment of unit...say near a possible protest march route. Intimidation in effect
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Jihadin wrote:Doesn't really matter. There are ways around that. Lets say deploy troops in support of law enforcement. That we can do. Deployment of unit...say near a possible protest march route. Intimidation in effect
Well what's really important is that when you are doing it, there's more of a paper trail and more people have to sign off on it. The extra few sets of eyes seeing it before it happens has a pretty strong effect on people doing stupid things.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
AustonT wrote:Or transfer them into an active law enforcement task force like say JTF 6
Those task forces are all grant funded though, so they end up having to change a dozen contracts to allow for that, which means a bunch of people will review it and it all ends up in public record. That helps keep the abuses down.
Letting it get ignored by the executive bypasses even a cursory reporting requirement, so the original wording, though FUNCTIONALLY similar, is better than the 2006-2008 wording.
AustonT wrote:Or transfer them into an active law enforcement task force like say JTF 6
Those task forces are all grant funded though, so they end up having to change a dozen contracts to allow for that, which means a bunch of people will review it and it all ends up in public record. That helps keep the abuses down.
Letting it get ignored by the executive bypasses even a cursory reporting requirement, so the original wording, though FUNCTIONALLY similar, is better than the 2006-2008 wording.
Grant funded? Can you cite a source?
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
AustonT wrote:Or transfer them into an active law enforcement task force like say JTF 6
Those task forces are all grant funded though, so they end up having to change a dozen contracts to allow for that, which means a bunch of people will review it and it all ends up in public record. That helps keep the abuses down.
Letting it get ignored by the executive bypasses even a cursory reporting requirement, so the original wording, though FUNCTIONALLY similar, is better than the 2006-2008 wording.
Grant funded? Can you cite a source?
Personal experience. I've never once seen a law enforcement task force that wasn't being funded at least in part by a federal grant and I've seen a few.
Basically any time jurisdictions work together, there's federal money in there incentivizing it.
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Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
Kilkrazy wrote:I suspect a protest needs to be either mildly illegal and/or at least highly annoying to the powers that be, in order to be really effective.
It can be annoying without being illegal, and still be effective. That occurs often.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
AustonT wrote:JTF 6/North is not a "law enforcement" task force. It's a DoD task force to support law enforcement.
Oh THOSE guys,
Yeah, I just looked it up. I remember this now. It's structured really carefully to answer to as few people as possible.
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Kilkrazy wrote:I suspect a protest needs to be either mildly illegal and/or at least highly annoying to the powers that be, in order to be really effective.
Depends on a lot of things. If you can get a complete BOATLOAD of people, then you want to be super legal and just demonstrate that you have a bazillion people. That's one way to do it.
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AustonT wrote:JTF 6/North is not a "law enforcement" task force. It's a DoD task force to support law enforcement.
Oh THOSE guys,
Yeah, I just looked it up. I remember this now. It's structured really carefully to answer to as few people as possible.
which was what I was driving at.
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Frazzled wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:I suspect a protest needs to be either mildly illegal and/or at least highly annoying to the powers that be, in order to be really effective.
It can be annoying without being illegal, and still be effective. That occurs often.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
So, if I get it correctly...
Using Marines and Navy troops for law enforcement on US soil is strictly forbidden
Using Army and Air Force troops for law enforcement on US soil is strictly forbidden, unless the congress authorizes it.
That's it ?
So, if I get it correctly...
Using Marines and Navy troops for law enforcement on US soil is strictly forbidden
Using Army and Air Force troops for law enforcement on US soil is strictly forbidden, unless the congress authorizes it.
That's it ?
My funmeter is getting low, more wet tshirtus less comitatus!
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
We're not really sweating that are we?....so who's bringing me coffee at the water cannon? I've folding chairs set up for when Easy E ladies get into the protest formation...you know...arms up. pumping both fist in the air in rythem with a chant. knowing the water cannon is right there....everyone knows its like cold temp weather right?
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Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
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RIP Muhammad Ali.
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