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Easy E wrote:
I ask because I want to know the answer. It's not an argument. I'm pretty confident some of you guys are lawyers or in the law field.
Ok, well basically if it turns out they were unfairly denying you the permit, you are probably going to settle for a bunch of money with the municipality years later.
Thanks for the info. So, as I read through it, here is my thought process. I'm sur eit is full of holes, so feel free to enlighten me.
So, you settle with the muncipality years later.... what good did that do?
The protest never happened, and never will. The easiest thing in the world the authorities can do is to deny you a permit. Then, you've got three options:
1. Protest anyway, thereby allowing the authorities to paint your protest as some sort of criminal band. Partial win for the authorities.
2. Sue, in which case you may make some money several years later, if you don't lose the case. Meanwhile, no protest occurs, which is what the authorities want.
3. Do nothing, in which case the Authorities win again as no protest occurs.
Dang, sounds like the deck is stacked for the authorities no matter what you do to resist.
Its not a years later thing. Most courts can grant an injunction very quickly.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Easy E wrote:
I ask because I want to know the answer. It's not an argument. I'm pretty confident some of you guys are lawyers or in the law field.
Ok, well basically if it turns out they were unfairly denying you the permit, you are probably going to settle for a bunch of money with the municipality years later.
Thanks for the info. So, as I read through it, here is my thought process. I'm sur eit is full of holes, so feel free to enlighten me.
So, you settle with the muncipality years later.... what good did that do?
The protest never happened, and never will. The easiest thing in the world the authorities can do is to deny you a permit. Then, you've got three options:
1. Protest anyway, thereby allowing the authorities to paint your protest as some sort of criminal band. Partial win for the authorities.
2. Sue, in which case you may make some money several years later, if you don't lose the case. Meanwhile, no protest occurs, which is what the authorities want.
3. Do nothing, in which case the Authorities win again as no protest occurs.
Dang, sounds like the deck is stacked for the authorities no matter what you do to resist.
Its not a years later thing. Most courts can grant an injunction very quickly.
This is true, but it's not a sure thing. It could drag out in a small town.
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Easy E wrote:
I ask because I want to know the answer. It's not an argument. I'm pretty confident some of you guys are lawyers or in the law field.
Ok, well basically if it turns out they were unfairly denying you the permit, you are probably going to settle for a bunch of money with the municipality years later.
Thanks for the info. So, as I read through it, here is my thought process. I'm sur eit is full of holes, so feel free to enlighten me.
So, you settle with the muncipality years later.... what good did that do?
The protest never happened, and never will. The easiest thing in the world the authorities can do is to deny you a permit. Then, you've got three options:
1. Protest anyway, thereby allowing the authorities to paint your protest as some sort of criminal band. Partial win for the authorities.
2. Sue, in which case you may make some money several years later, if you don't lose the case. Meanwhile, no protest occurs, which is what the authorities want.
3. Do nothing, in which case the Authorities win again as no protest occurs.
Dang, sounds like the deck is stacked for the authorities no matter what you do to resist.
Its not a years later thing. Most courts can grant an injunction very quickly.
This is true, but it's not a sure thing. It could drag out in a small town.
Or a large town depending on the popularity of the protest in question.
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Frazzled wrote:
frgsinwntr wrote:I think anyone saying "they shoulda used more force" should have their head examined...
These are human beings...
You say they are. I have no proof of that.
Further, none of those protesters were easy on the eyes. Therefore, they had to pay.
"OWS protesters are ugly and inhuman, they don't deserve to be treated like people".
It's funny how you get special treatment for things that I would get banned for.
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Do you remember that time that thing happened?
This is a bad thread and you should all feel bad
Thats incredibly wrong.
I said "OWS protesters don't have enough hotties for me to care about them."
Get it right boyo. Don't make me pepper spray you for Youtube amusement.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Proud Member of the Infidels of OIF/OEF
No longer defending the US Military or US Gov't. Just going to ""**feed into your fears**"" with Duffel Blog Did not fight my way up on top the food chain to become a Vegan...
Warning: Stupid Allergy
Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
DE 6700
Harlequin 2500
RIP Muhammad Ali.
Jihadin, Scorched Earth 791. Leader of the Pork Eating Crusader. Alpha
Proud Member of the Infidels of OIF/OEF
No longer defending the US Military or US Gov't. Just going to ""**feed into your fears**"" with Duffel Blog Did not fight my way up on top the food chain to become a Vegan...
Warning: Stupid Allergy
Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
DE 6700
Harlequin 2500
RIP Muhammad Ali.
Jihadin, Scorched Earth 791. Leader of the Pork Eating Crusader. Alpha
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Seems to me wishing harm on people who YOU disagree with is impolite and just downright barbaric.
We're keeping with the protesters right?
Proud Member of the Infidels of OIF/OEF
No longer defending the US Military or US Gov't. Just going to ""**feed into your fears**"" with Duffel Blog Did not fight my way up on top the food chain to become a Vegan...
Warning: Stupid Allergy
Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
DE 6700
Harlequin 2500
RIP Muhammad Ali.
Jihadin, Scorched Earth 791. Leader of the Pork Eating Crusader. Alpha
Indeed. On the positive, this thread has finally, after great coaxing, started to travel down the road of wet t-shirt contests. That took a while.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Well....I already have PTSD from deployments...does that mean I have to get my mental state reexamine again?
Proud Member of the Infidels of OIF/OEF
No longer defending the US Military or US Gov't. Just going to ""**feed into your fears**"" with Duffel Blog Did not fight my way up on top the food chain to become a Vegan...
Warning: Stupid Allergy
Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
DE 6700
Harlequin 2500
RIP Muhammad Ali.
Jihadin, Scorched Earth 791. Leader of the Pork Eating Crusader. Alpha
I'm assuming you are in agreement that people who suffer from the above disorder should be closely monitored by trained medical personel?
So you're diagnosing medical conditions in your debate opponents?
Yes, that is most certainly not insulting at all.
Does pointing out the fact that wishing harm on other people is borderline mental illness and antisocial behavior bother you?
Or rather getting excited about people being harmed is....
I guess my point is coming across then.
Few things I want to say here.
1. Did you read your own link? It's not even a recognized disorder anymore. It's pseudoscience.
2. You didn't just point it out, you straight up suggested that several posters here have it. That is a personal attack. That is not ok. That is not how you debate people.
3. Now you are not so subtly suggesting that by being mad about your creepy personal attack, I am somehow proving your point. That's even less ok. I know we talk about water cannons a lot, but really we're having a pretty good conversation among mature adults about this. I have a lot of respect for 99% of the people I'm arguing with here.
What I DON'T have respect for is when people rumble into the thread and call us fascists or sociopaths for our opinions.
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Are you feeling guilty now? I'm not so sure I ever said YOU. just a blanket statement before you took up the cause... then all of a sudden i was "personally attacking you... "
certainly you can go back and read my original post and see that
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frgsinwntr wrote:feeling guilty? I'm not so sure I ever said YOU. just a blanket statement before you took up the cause... then all of a sudden i was "personally attacking you... "
certainly you can go back and read my original post and see that
Right, so it was a blanket personal attack. That makes it ok.
Good to see that dehumanizing your opposition is alive and well.
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Buig whup, its not like my sanity hasn't been questioned before. I like weiner dogs, rum and water, and shredding paper.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
frgsinwntr wrote:feeling guilty? I'm not so sure I ever said YOU. just a blanket statement before you took up the cause... then all of a sudden i was "personally attacking you... "
certainly you can go back and read my original post and see that
Right, so it was a blanket personal attack. That makes it ok.
Good to see that dehumanizing your opposition is alive and well.
Actually I think you're very human and not "opposition" at all. Simply someone i disagree with
Finding joy in hurting people is Frankly just awful.
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frgsinwntr wrote:Are you feeling guilty now? I'm not so sure I ever said YOU. just a blanket statement before you took up the cause... then all of a sudden i was "personally attacking you... "
certainly you can go back and read my original post and see that I'm a little teapot, short and stout. This is my handle. This is my spout.
Finished your sentence.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
frgsinwntr wrote:feeling guilty? I'm not so sure I ever said YOU. just a blanket statement before you took up the cause... then all of a sudden i was "personally attacking you... "
certainly you can go back and read my original post and see that
Right, so it was a blanket personal attack. That makes it ok.
Good to see that dehumanizing your opposition is alive and well.
Actually I think you're very human and not "opposition" at all. Simply someone i disagree with
Finding joy in hurting people is Frankly just aweful.
Which is why you felt the need to rumble into the thread and say that anyone with a certain view was literally mentally ill?
frgsinwntr wrote:feeling guilty? I'm not so sure I ever said YOU. just a blanket statement before you took up the cause... then all of a sudden i was "personally attacking you... "
certainly you can go back and read my original post and see that
Right, so it was a blanket personal attack. That makes it ok.
Good to see that dehumanizing your opposition is alive and well.
Actually I think you're very human and not "opposition" at all. Simply someone i disagree with
Finding joy in hurting people is Frankly just aweful.
Which is why you felt the need to rumble into the thread and say that anyone with a certain view was literally mentally ill?
Does having a mental illness make you less human?
Not sure I said that.
No... I don't think thats a good enough strawman.
Unless thats what you're hearing? because its how you feel?
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frgsinwntr wrote:feeling guilty? I'm not so sure I ever said YOU. just a blanket statement before you took up the cause... then all of a sudden i was "personally attacking you... "
certainly you can go back and read my original post and see that
Right, so it was a blanket personal attack. That makes it ok.
Good to see that dehumanizing your opposition is alive and well.
Actually I think you're very human and not "opposition" at all. Simply someone i disagree with
Finding joy in hurting people is Frankly just aweful.
Which is why you felt the need to rumble into the thread and say that anyone with a certain view was literally mentally ill?
Does having a mental illness make you less human? Not sure I said that. No... I don't think thats a good strawman.
Oh, so I guess your post was just totally off topic, then?
Which is it, was your post off topic or a personal attack?
We all know you meant it as an attack because we have functioning brains. Stop trying to cover for it. You came in and said something insulting and now you're trying to pretend you didn't.
Proud Member of the Infidels of OIF/OEF
No longer defending the US Military or US Gov't. Just going to ""**feed into your fears**"" with Duffel Blog Did not fight my way up on top the food chain to become a Vegan...
Warning: Stupid Allergy
Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
DE 6700
Harlequin 2500
RIP Muhammad Ali.
Jihadin, Scorched Earth 791. Leader of the Pork Eating Crusader. Alpha
frgsinwntr wrote:feeling guilty? I'm not so sure I ever said YOU. just a blanket statement before you took up the cause... then all of a sudden i was "personally attacking you... "
certainly you can go back and read my original post and see that
Right, so it was a blanket personal attack. That makes it ok.
Good to see that dehumanizing your opposition is alive and well.
Actually I think you're very human and not "opposition" at all. Simply someone i disagree with
Finding joy in hurting people is Frankly just aweful.
Which is why you felt the need to rumble into the thread and say that anyone with a certain view was literally mentally ill?
Does having a mental illness make you less human? Not sure I said that. No... I don't think thats a good strawman.
Oh, so I guess your post was just totally off topic, then?
Which is it, was your post off topic or a personal attack?
We all know you meant it as an attack because we have functioning brains. Stop trying to cover for it. You came in and said something insulting and now you're trying to pretend you didn't.
You seem angry.
How is this off topic? UC pepper spray incident occured. People think they should be harmed more. I comment on how thats just wrong to say.... Now I'm not sure thats so off topic
How did I specifically attack you? are your feeling hurt? If thats the case I appologize you seem like a sensitive individual i should be more gentle. The false dichotomy of off topic or personal attack suggests you're very upset... Does this mean that every post you disagree with is a personal attack vs you or off topic?
Wishing harm on other people seems like a bad way to have a functional and sucessful society. Better?
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