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focusedfire wrote:How about a new troop choice called Supplicant's. These would be planetary govenors 2nd sons and such. Basically, a guardsman or veteran guardsman that are asking to join the Templars.

If the Supplicant name doesn't work for most then call them petitioners.

Doing this would open up the build choices and would fit with the medieval templars theme.

It's one of those things that makes my head hurt about canon, since an IG vet would be too old to become a space marine.

Hmm, there is something interesting here

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/In_the_grim_Darkness.html

May or may not have anything to do with the BT release.

Sasori wrote:Hmm, there is something interesting here

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/In_the_grim_Darkness.html

May or may not have anything to do with the BT release.

It certainly seems to hint at having SOMETHING to do with the Templars. It's Black Library though, so it probably isn't game-related. But whatever, I'll take another Templars-centric BL novel.

Maybe it is reprint of Damnation Crusade graphic novel or new BT novel/novella by Dan Abnett. He was author of first truly BL novel so it is plausible.

WE WANT TANKRED! TANKRED ENDURES! TANKRED SMASH!




*ahem* I seem to have gotten ahead of myself there. Where were we?

Just looks like a possible sequel to first and only, will have nothing to do with the game as it's BL...


But still... if it's from Dan I'll pick up a copy.

Could be about the Gulf Crusade....

Asherian Command wrote:YES!
I love Black Templars Now I don't have to use the Space marine codex for my Crusaders! WOOT!

Why would you ever do something like that ?

I want the "Black Tide" to be a competitive list again. 20-man blobs are awesome.

According to an anonymous source quoted by Darnok over at Warseer:

no BT in the near future

Sigh, such as it is. Oh well, time to keep building my custom techmarines with loads of options. Lightning claws? Why yes, I think my terminator techmarine with a single servo arm would like a pair of those.

Probably means absolutely nothing but the Black templar Termi shoulder pads on forge world have disappeared sometime after the 5th(when google last cached it)

JennyBunny wrote:Probably means absolutely nothing but the Black templar Termi shoulder pads on forge world have disappeared sometime after the 5th(when google last cached it)

Kanluwen sadly gave us a reason already-the molds probably wore out and needed to be redone or they temporarily ran out of stock. Sadly, I think we'll be waiting a while for our BT goodness...

Am I the only Black Templar player that sees us NOT getting up dated soon as a good thing?

Our dex is workable right now, even with a few things that cost more (Which is easily balanced with things that cost less). Sure, new goodies would be fun, but wouldn't you rather wait a little extra time so our dex is made with the finalized version of the new edition already out? I don't know about you, but I don't want to have the next Black Templar codex turn out like the Chaos or Dark Angel codex.

Amanax wrote:Am I the only Black Templar player that sees us NOT getting up dated soon as a good thing?

No.

We shall wait, so we may hit them harder when no one expects us...
Fleet based marines know its worth waiting 'in transit'.
With less other PA releases around our chances on nice things to have rise.

BaronIveagh wrote:

sparkywtf wrote:
Anyone can run a fansite.

I resemble that remark. And running a fansite with a forum and a bunch of other gak is harder then it looks.

Resent?

Resemble would suggest you were infact a "Random Bozo" or at least looked like one.

Dragosanii12 wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:

sparkywtf wrote:
Anyone can run a fansite.

I resemble that remark. And running a fansite with a forum and a bunch of other gak is harder then it looks.

Resent?

Resemble would suggest you were infact a "Random Bozo" or at least looked like one.

He's playing on the term and stating that he runs a fansite with a forum and such.

So, let me get this straight, we (black templar players) are going to have to continue using a codex that will be most likely 2 editions old when we get updated, lose only who knows how many more special rules once 6th actually drops, maybe see some of the vows that made us a fierce army get re-worked to make them useless (Mainly AACNMTO due to theory's of preferred enemy being changed), and of course still pay about $65.00 (U.S) for a squad of 10 marines?

Sounds like i might have to start building up a waghhh to unleash some tabletop fury,

Honestely our dex is old but it is not bad. Yes fifth edition hurt us with the consolidation rules and yes the newer marine codecies have cheaper units/tanks. What we do have is army wide prefered enemy, fearles units in assault, landraider crusaders as dedicated transports. Build on our strengths and you will see we can still keep pace. As a side note my win/loss record is better with my Templars than with my Grey Knights.

darknightwing wrote:Honestly our dex is old but it is not bad. Yes fifth edition hurt us with the consolidation rules and yes the newer marine codecies have cheaper units/tanks. What we do have is army wide preferred enemy, fearless units in assault, landraider crusaders as dedicated transports. Build on our strengths and you will see we can still keep pace. As a side note my win/loss record is better with my Templars than with my Grey Knights.

Correct me if im wrong here, but arent LRC's for us heavy support? Also while that is all well and dandy, there is a good chance we will see preferred enemy is getting re-worked in a big way.

Notod wrote:

darknightwing wrote:Honestly our dex is old but it is not bad. Yes fifth edition hurt us with the consolidation rules and yes the newer marine codecies have cheaper units/tanks. What we do have is army wide preferred enemy, fearless units in assault, landraider crusaders as dedicated transports. Build on our strengths and you will see we can still keep pace. As a side note my win/loss record is better with my Templars than with my Grey Knights.

Correct me if im wrong here, but arent LRC's for us heavy support? Also while that is all well and dandy, there is a good chance we will see preferred enemy is getting re-worked in a big way.

Heavy support and standard troops can take them as dedicated transports, along with most of the elites and everything else.

There's the less well known LRC spam list, but if you want you can spam 5+ of them

Notod wrote:So, let me get this straight, we (black templar players) are going to have to continue using a codex that will be most likely 2 editions old when we get updated, lose only who knows how many more special rules once 6th actually drops,

Not sure what your problem is. Most books go far longer than Black Templars have.

Space Wolves, April 2000 to October 2009; 9 1/2 years
Necrons, July 2002 to November 2011; 9 1/2 years
Dark Eldar, November 2003 to November 2010; 7 years (counting from revised. Counting from the original book, some 12 years).
Grey Knights, March 2003 to April 2011, 8 years.


Some, like pampered armies like generic Space Marines, IG, Orks and Nids admittedly always jump the queue each edition, but that is hardly new. Given the averages above, Black Templar are hardly due for an update before 2013/2014 on average.

Zweischneid wrote:

Notod wrote:So, let me get this straight, we (black templar players) are going to have to continue using a codex that will be most likely 2 editions old when we get updated, lose only who knows how many more special rules once 6th actually drops,

Not sure what your problem is. Most books go far longer than Black Templars have.

Space Wolves, April 2000 to October 2009; 9 1/2 years
Necrons, July 2002 to November 2011; 9 1/2 years
Dark Eldar, November 2003 to November 2010; 7 years (counting from revised. Counting from the original book, some 12 years).
Grey Knights, March 2003 to April 2011, 8 years.


Some, like pampered armies like generic Space Marines, IG, Orks and Nids admittedly always jump the queue each edition, but that is hardly new. Given the averages above, Black Templar are hardly due for an update before 2013/2014 on average.

Pampered? Orks? Nids?

Pahahaha.

Cerebrium wrote:

Pampered? Orks? Nids?

Pahahaha.

Well. I don't talk about the quality of the books. Perhaps my words were poorly chosen. But they are traditionally updated as often as generic Space Marines. Indeed, seeing that Orks will likely not get a true 5th Edition Codex, Vanilla Marines and Tyranids are just about the only two factions that truly got a complete, fully supported, official Codex every single edition since 2nd.

Zweischneid wrote:

Notod wrote:So, let me get this straight, we (black templar players) are going to have to continue using a codex that will be most likely 2 editions old when we get updated, lose only who knows how many more special rules once 6th actually drops,

Not sure what your problem is. Most books go far longer than Black Templars have.

Space Wolves, April 2000 to October 2009; 9 1/2 years
Necrons, July 2002 to November 2011; 9 1/2 years
Dark Eldar, November 2003 to November 2010; 7 years (counting from revised. Counting from the original book, some 12 years).
Grey Knights, March 2003 to April 2011, 8 years.


Some, like pampered armies like generic Space Marines, IG, Orks and Nids admittedly always jump the queue each edition, but that is hardly new. Given the averages above, Black Templar are hardly due for an update before 2013/2014 on average.

With the exception of dark eldar, none of those codexes where 3 edtions out of date. and with the way gw seems to be going with removing the armoury sections of codexes,they are more likely to do a templar codex than a dark angels one next. and yes i have heard all about the dark angels vs chaos in the new starter and my response to that is look how long after 5th it took for tyranids to get their codex. i'm calling here and now we will get our codex next.

And I'm saying you likely will not.

GW is shifting away from the "X Codex is this old, so we need to update it now!" when the Codex/Army Book is still effective.

They're moving to a "X Codex is this old, but it really needs to be redone as it's a complete mess".

Kanluwen wrote:And I'm saying you likely will not.

GW is shifting away from the "X Codex is this old, so we need to update it now!" when the Codex/Army Book is still effective.

They're moving to a "X Codex is this old, but it really needs to be redone as it's a complete mess".

If that where true tau and chaos would've gotten updates long before sisters and grey knights. lets just take a look at the codeices they have updated recently. dark eldar 2nd edtion but was still very effective. grey knights and sisters both 3rd edtion and still very effective. space wolves another 3rd edition codex that was still viable. don't get me wrong i love the templar codex the way it is we have some neat tricks that other armies just dont get. army wide prefered enemy or psychic hood. the ablitiy to give any of our tanks power of the machine spirit. hell we stillhave terminator honors so our commanders and chaplins get an extra attack. 2 special weapons in a 5 man termie squad. to name a few. but with the order and pattern of releases templars are next. ( this is where someone at gw reads this post and they release tau next to prove me wrong )

Kharnflakes wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:And I'm saying you likely will not.

GW is shifting away from the "X Codex is this old, so we need to update it now!" when the Codex/Army Book is still effective.

They're moving to a "X Codex is this old, but it really needs to be redone as it's a complete mess".

If that where true tau and chaos would've gotten updates long before sisters and grey knights. lets just take a look at the codeices they have updated recently. dark eldar 2nd edtion but was still very effective. grey knights and sisters both 3rd edtion and still very effective. space wolves another 3rd edition codex that was still viable. don't get me wrong i love the templar codex the way it is we have some neat tricks that other armies just dont get. army wide prefered enemy or psychic hood. the ablitiy to give any of our tanks power of the machine spirit. hell we stillhave terminator honors so our commanders and chaplins get an extra attack. 2 special weapons in a 5 man termie squad. to name a few. but with the order and pattern of releases templars are next. ( this is where someone at gw reads this post and they release tau next to prove me wrong )

First of all, Sisters didn't get a "book". They got a White Dwarf army list, mostly to kill off the ability for people to use the Witchhunters book and the Allies rules within. Grey Knights was done for much the same reason.
Space Wolves had a 3rd edition mini-dex much like Blood Angels.

Tau are reputed to be worked on, much like Wood Elves and Sisters of Battle. The most reasonable assumption one can make is that they require quite a bit of design work to make effective, and releasing a "quality" book which can last multiple editions is a better goal than simply pumping out a book within a certain timeframe so people can claim that it's "been updated!".

Dark Angels and Chaos are reputed to be the next two to release, in what order we do not know. They're also books which aren't as simply fixed as adding in a FAQ.

But really, all you need to do is look at the most recently released book for WHFB. Vampire Counts was still relatively "new".

Kanluwen wrote:

Kharnflakes wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:And I'm saying you likely will not.

GW is shifting away from the "X Codex is this old, so we need to update it now!" when the Codex/Army Book is still effective.

They're moving to a "X Codex is this old, but it really needs to be redone as it's a complete mess".

If that where true tau and chaos would've gotten updates long before sisters and grey knights. lets just take a look at the codeices they have updated recently. dark eldar 2nd edtion but was still very effective. grey knights and sisters both 3rd edtion and still very effective. space wolves another 3rd edition codex that was still viable. don't get me wrong i love the templar codex the way it is we have some neat tricks that other armies just dont get. army wide prefered enemy or psychic hood. the ablitiy to give any of our tanks power of the machine spirit. hell we stillhave terminator honors so our commanders and chaplins get an extra attack. 2 special weapons in a 5 man termie squad. to name a few. but with the order and pattern of releases templars are next. ( this is where someone at gw reads this post and they release tau next to prove me wrong )

First of all, Sisters didn't get a "book". They got a White Dwarf army list, mostly to kill off the ability for people to use the Witchhunters book and the Allies rules within. Grey Knights was done for much the same reason.
Space Wolves had a 3rd edition mini-dex much like Blood Angels.

Tau are reputed to be worked on, much like Wood Elves and Sisters of Battle. The most reasonable assumption one can make is that they require quite a bit of design work to make effective, and releasing a "quality" book which can last multiple editions is a better goal than simply pumping out a book within a certain timeframe so people can claim that it's "been updated!".

Dark Angels and Chaos are reputed to be the next two to release, in what order we do not know. They're also books which aren't as simply fixed as adding in a FAQ.

But really, all you need to do is look at the most recently released book for WHFB. Vampire Counts was still relatively "new".

actually the rumors on whats the next few codices are has varied almost daily. supposedly da, templar, and tau are all already done according to the rumor mill. and your reasoning for why sisters and grey knights got the new and shiny is the same reason i'm saying the templars will too. and since you mentioned the faqs please allow me to point out that both the tau and templars where left untouched in the jan overhaul of faqs. whether or not that means something is probably debatable but i think its a good indicator for what is next. also sixith is rumored to be the final main rules edition. (probably need a bucket of salt with that one but who knows) and if that is the case then getting the older codices update would be a priorty for gw. all that aside i really want assault rhinos.

All these rumors have me wondering about my favorite army. Shame I can't even play them right now because they are in another state. :( so sad. Well I hope they make them better or about the same. If they are worse I will go back to playing earlier editions of the game. LOL!!