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Looking fowads to this! Really hope the rumours are accurate!

gendoikari87 wrote:[stuff...]

BT currently exist as a dex, get over it.

gendoikari87 wrote:so you're agument

This is a pretty bizarre conclusion. I'm fairly sure he isn't an argument at all.

So does this mean it is almost time for a new DA codex as well? Or will they get rolled into a SM codex?

DA won't get rolled into the Marine Codex due to legacy issues. That's the only reason.

As a long time BT player, this is what I have been waiting for. They have come a long way from their Armageddon entry, and even their 3rd edition SM codex EC special character. I look forward for their new codex and the loads of fluff to go along with it.

Apparently the rummored plastic sword brethren are drop dead amazing! I just hope there's a few arms sans chains as I'd love to use these new models for some Knights of Blood & Fire Hawks conversions.

Dark Angels I have a feeling will take longer as GW needs to re-define them yet again... (because they keep handing out all their unique stuff to everyone else!) Templars on the other hand are a 'quick fix', just add a couple new units and bring over the other new toys such as the redeemer and bring the rest of the rules into line with 6th. Done!

Considering my VC's come out in January, I'm kinda hoping Templars wait a few months so I can save up some more $$$!

H.B.M.C. wrote:DA won't get rolled into the Marine Codex due to legacy issues. That's the only reason.

I just hope DA come out soon. Not because I play DA but because I use a lot of DA bits. The robes are about as good as you get for mass secutor conversions, without making them yourself.

I'm planning on starting a BT army In the new year once I have a job and some income, hope these are accurate :/

gendoikari87 wrote:

-crusader squads. up to 20 models. LRC option.

1 tactical squad in a LRC
1 Scout squad

-termie command squad. LRC option.

honor guard squad or terminator squad with attached IC.

- command squad of 10 marines. LRC option.

Honor guard squad

- EC not part of the FOC but possible mandatory HQ. Alters the army.

Special characters.

- may transport almost every unit in a dedicated transport LRC and fill the table with Land Raiders if the size of the game allows.

irrelevant, normal marines can do this. If you get into games above 3 land raiders your already talking about apoc. And if the rumors are true with the standard dex you can take 4 anyway.


You sir, are splitting hairs.

Black templars can and should be rolled into the Space marine dex, along side dark angels so that the armies that are unique can have some time, and so new armies can come around. like an army that really deserves it, Admech.

Hey, I didn't feel the need to quote your other posts, because they're all the same.

I'll ask you kindly, please go back and relax under your bridge.

gendoikari87 wrote:
Black templars can and should be rolled into the Space marine dex, along side dark angels so that the armies that are unique can have some time, and so new armies can come around. like an army that really deserves it, Admech.

Yes, and clearly CSM should be rolled into the Marine dex too, while we're at it, and just have Abby as a special character that can use daemons from that other codex as troops. After all, all space marines must bow before their spiritual liege!

I'd like to take a moment on behalf of the rest of the players wanting an admech list and say we have no idea who this guy is, but he clearly has no idea how BT lists are played.

BaronIveagh wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
Black templars can and should be rolled into the Space marine dex, along side dark angels so that the armies that are unique can have some time, and so new armies can come around. like an army that really deserves it, Admech.

Yes, and clearly CSM should be rolled into the Marine dex too, while we're at it, and just have Abby as a special character that can use daemons from that other codex as troops. After all, all space marines must bow before their spiritual liege!

I'd like to take a moment on behalf of the rest of the players wanting an admech list and say we have no idea who this guy is, but he clearly has no idea how BT lists are played.

I was going to suggest the CSM being rolled in. Maybe Ward can write the The Fallen fist bumping with the DA too.

And it is okay, we don't blame you for him.

With regard to a new dex's models, the following IMHO would be awesome: Crusader squad (ten plastic BT marines with the option of taking all bp and ccw or bolters. These weapons and the marines themselves are BT style, with tabards shoulder pads, chains on weapons and crusaders seals), Sword brethren plastic set with storm shields, lightning claws.etc. (to make SB more effective than they are now, they should be more like current DA vets) and BT themed termies with tabards .etc. In summary, like SW have their own specialised plastic termies and tactical squads (I don't know their real name), likewise the BT should have themed sets.

I imagine (not that GW would do this) that a single box could make Crusader, Command, and SB all in one. The Bretheren are just different heads and shoulders with little details that could be bits.

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Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Davor wrote:Sword Brethren are to get a special rule where when they are assaulted the enemy unit has to re-roll all* successful hits, at the expense of 1 attack. It's called "parry".

This sounds like a fantastic and characterful special rule. Makes total sense for Sword Brethren to be the only unit in the game with the ability to "parry". I think they should have another special rule "dodge" that allows them to ignore successful hits on a 6. If you give them a storm shield then they can use their "block" special rule which gives a +1 bonus to their invulnerable save in close combat. They also have "tie shoelaces" which gives them +1 Initiative.

Can't tell if serious.

My first army 2 years ago was Black Templar, I have seen plenty of changes to them even with really starting the game with 5th edition. The lastest FAQ was the best thing that could have happened to them. But I feel the glory days are soon to be over.

Stuff we lose:
I see vows being redone and sucking.
I see preferred enemy flat out disappearing.
I see Rage causing more problems than helping.
I see the "hordes" mentality failing miserably.
I see Blessed Hull going away completely.
I see the usefulness of Typhoons going right out the window.
I see Power of the Machine Spirit being taken away from Predators and Vindicators.
I see the best terminators in the game going to crap. (Taking away Furious Charge and Peferred Enemy)
There are prolly more of these but don't feel like writing them all out.

Stuff we gain:
Sure they might give us the ablity to swap out more then 1-2 weapons with Crusader squads.
Rhinos might not cost 58 points.
Sword Bretheran can actually be "useful"
We gain, 1 special character.

All of the unique things about the Black Templar they already have. We have units that cost more than others, we have units that cost less than others.

If the "horde" mentality comes though for this Codex, you will see a pro painted 3000 points of Black Templar up on Ebay.

I have been playing my Templars since before they had a true Codex and I can tell you, I won't get rid of them if they change them.

Right now, with a combination of legacy rules and the FAQ; Black Templars can perform insanely well even against the most competitive 5th edition armies. I see that a new Codex would probably fix things, but in the end, change is good and stagnation gets old.

If the newer codexes are any example, I'm sure Templars would either get access to most of the new stuff and/or getting their own new stuff. I've set my Templars aside for now, but I have no intentions to ever sell them. I plan to get right back to playing them as soon as the new Codex is released and I can fix the army to adhere to the newer stuff. That's the main reason I haven't been working on mine anymore, is I would rather not have to potentially fix models in the future due to better wargear choices or things taken away etc...

Let's just hope Terminators stay the same because I've got 30 Templar Terminators....

Anybody think they'll have a chance of getting the storm raven...

Just a random thought XD


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Would finaly give me a reason to get one XD

It will be a shame when my Typhoons stop being awesome, as they no doubt will be.


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... and my chainswords stop rerolling to hits.

LazzurusMan wrote:Anybody think they'll have a chance of getting the storm raven...

Just a random thought XD


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Would finaly give me a reason to get one XD

They better, it's the only reason I am holding on to 3 and a 4th (to convert to a t-hawk maybe)

It would be awesome...^^

H.B.M.C. wrote:DA won't get rolled into the Marine Codex due to legacy issues. That's the only reason.

Honestly if the 6th ed Marine dex gave me a way to accurately portray DW and RW then I wouldn't care if they got rolled into the same book. It would clean up the release cycle (one less dex to worry about) and make it so that one doesn't get nerfed while the other gets stronger every few years.

Banzaimash wrote:It will be a shame when my Typhoons stop being awesome, as they no doubt will be.


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... and my chainswords stop rerolling to hits.

...or all of your Daemon units become a separate list and you can't play your army remotely the same. Oh wait.

I may just be a vindictive jerk, but I kind of want non-DA Imperial players to get screwed for once.

I would be quite annoyed if the Legion book gets pushed back for another loyalist chapter. Seriously guys, I want a new Chaos Codex!


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Ozymandias wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:DA won't get rolled into the Marine Codex due to legacy issues. That's the only reason.

Honestly if the 6th ed Marine dex gave me a way to accurately portray DW and RW then I wouldn't care if they got rolled into the same book. It would clean up the release cycle (one less dex to worry about) and make it so that one doesn't get nerfed while the other gets stronger every few years.

Isn't there that White Scars guy who makes Bikes troops? Then you have the FA slots open for Landspeeders. I hope this doesn't sound too ignorant, but what else does a Ravenwing army need?

LazzurusMan wrote:Anybody think they'll have a chance of getting the storm raven...

All marines will get it eventually...

CT GAMER wrote:

LazzurusMan wrote:Anybody think they'll have a chance of getting the storm raven...

All marines will get it eventually...

And then nobody will want it :/

Rumors abound after I start building my own BT army, great. As for them and my beloved DA being rolled into the SM codex, that's such a bad idea not even GW would consider it.

Ill be happy if they give them power swords and storm shields. Id seriously consider collecting them if that were to happen.

I'm with you on the "just starting" bit, but I wont have the funds until the new book comes out anyway, so :/

Anung Un Rama wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:DA won't get rolled into the Marine Codex due to legacy issues. That's the only reason.

Honestly if the 6th ed Marine dex gave me a way to accurately portray DW and RW then I wouldn't care if they got rolled into the same book. It would clean up the release cycle (one less dex to worry about) and make it so that one doesn't get nerfed while the other gets stronger every few years.

Isn't there that White Scars guy who makes Bikes troops? Then you have the FA slots open for Landspeeders. I hope this doesn't sound too ignorant, but what else does a Ravenwing army need?

Some synergy with other DA units (like teleport homers on bikes), attack bikes as troops, Sammael in his Speeder, and some sort of buff (jink, skilled rider in 3rd ed, scout in 4th ed). You could do it similar to Khan with Sammael as the unlocking special character unit.