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ph34r wrote:
Oh wait,

BaronIveagh wrote:Joined: 2009/05/29

The necron travesty was before your time. All is revealed! Enjoy your anti-ward bandwagon! Never mind that the worst crimes in 40k writing history were committed in 3rd and 4th edition: Necron fluff in 3e, Eldar and Tyranids in 4th edition, the atrocities that are the Dark Angels and Chaos Space Marine codexes...

You do realize that, having played since 1st ed, the date I decided to open an account on dakka had nothing to do with my hobby, and everything to do with suddenly having a lot of spare time on my hands, and Doc Thunder suggesting it over on warseer. Since, you know, I had never heard of dakka before that point.

I really hope that they don't give templars rage. I also hope they don't put stupid limitations on units...otherwise I'll be selling my army. Templars should be the drop pod and landraider spearhead army. I think that would be awesome.

BaronIveagh wrote:You do realize that, having played since 1st ed, the date I decided to open an account on dakka had nothing to do with my hobby, and everything to do with suddenly having a lot of spare time on my hands, and Doc Thunder suggesting it over on warseer. Since, you know, I had never heard of dakka before that point.

Alright, so you actually just prefer the old codex? ...why?

EDIT: mega off topic, moved my response to the necron rumor thread.

BaronIveagh wrote:You do realize that, having played since 1st ed, the date I decided to open an account on dakka had nothing to do with my hobby, and everything to do with suddenly having a lot of spare time on my hands, and Doc Thunder suggesting it over on warseer. Since, you know, I had never heard of dakka before that point.

Do you mean THAT doctor thunder? Your friends are even stranger than your opinions. :p

CaptKaruthors wrote:I really hope that they don't give templars rage. I also hope they don't put stupid limitations on units...otherwise I'll be selling my army. Templars should be the drop pod and landraider spearhead army. I think that would be awesome.

I could see them getting a "headstrong" rule like Blood Claws have, where they have to charge an enemy unit if it's in charge range. Giving them Rage would make the army unplayable since units with that USR can't score if I recall correctly, and even if they could they'd be getting corralled around anyway.

Templars won't get army wide Rage. The very assumption of such is ludicrous.

I could see them getting a "headstrong" rule like Blood Claws have, where they have to charge an enemy unit if it's in charge range.

They already do that with the Accept vow.

Giving them Rage would make the army unplayable since units with that USR can't score if I recall correctly, and even if they could they'd be getting corralled around anyway.

I agree. It would be stupid..but then again this is GW. They aren't the sharpest tools in the shed when it comes to crap like that.

Templars won't get army wide Rage. The very assumption of such is ludicrous.

You've seen the revised Ann' Grath rules right? Nothing is beyond the realm of possibility.

A Templar update would be quick and easy: Leave everything as is rules mechanic wise i.e. Righteous Zeal, etc. Reduce points cost of Techmarine, reduce points cost of Rhinos, Update the Vows that no longer function within the perimeters of the game. Add Chaplain dreads, update Venerable dreads. Add frags and krak to the Crusaders without changing the base cost of them. Finally, revise the Sword Bretheren entry, allow them to outflank with a transport..and make their equipment entry like Vanguard marines.

A Templar update would be quick and easy: Leave everything as is rules mechanic wise i.e. Righteous Zeal, etc. Reduce points cost of Techmarine, reduce points cost of Rhinos, Update the Vows that no longer function within the perimeters of the game. Add Chaplain dreads, update Venerable dreads. Add frags and krak to the Crusaders without changing the base cost of them. Finally, revise the Sword Bretheren entry, allow them to outflank with a transport..and make their equipment entry like Vanguard marines.

This is what I am hoping for. Some more modern rules and upgrades without anything to turn me away from them. But to be honost, no matter what happens I will always be a templar. This was my first army in the days of 3rd edition when all they had was the EC, so with so much time and money put into them I doubt I could part ways. I just hope with all the great wisdom GW has they do not turn them into something they are not.

Fluff wise, I can't wait for this! I hope they get a lot more in depth and allow for plenty of character within the army. But one thing I hope they do not change is their numbers as a chapter. If they go from thousands of marines to only a codex chapter size, I will be fairly upset and will not allow it to register as vaild fluff in my mind.

CaptKaruthors wrote:

I could see them getting a "headstrong" rule like Blood Claws have, where they have to charge an enemy unit if it's in charge range.

They already do that with the Accept vow.

Giving them Rage would make the army unplayable since units with that USR can't score if I recall correctly, and even if they could they'd be getting corralled around anyway.

I agree. It would be stupid..but then again this is GW. They aren't the sharpest tools in the shed when it comes to crap like that.

Templars won't get army wide Rage. The very assumption of such is ludicrous.

You've seen the revised Ann' Grath rules right? Nothing is beyond the realm of possibility.

A Templar update would be quick and easy: Leave everything as is rules mechanic wise i.e. Righteous Zeal, etc. Reduce points cost of Techmarine, reduce points cost of Rhinos, Update the Vows that no longer function within the perimeters of the game. Add Chaplain dreads, update Venerable dreads. Add frags and krak to the Crusaders without changing the base cost of them. Finally, revise the Sword Bretheren entry, allow them to outflank with a transport..and make their equipment entry like Vanguard marines.

Still leaving us with one choice for scoring units, assault marines that are garbage and not many options for making various and fun armies, but I like the direction you're headed.

You have the Iniates and Neophytes in the same squad, perhaps a unit that is in between the Iniate and the Sword Bretheren, perhaps a questing crusader squad or something along those lines. Im sure GW is going to come up with some, after all thats what they are getting paid for and not me. Also I think they should make sword bretheren a troop choice based on a HQ option much like we see in other books. Just some hopes and wishes I would like to see.

Ooooohhh man, I can't wait for new Black Templars!

MasterSlowPoke wrote:Do you mean THAT doctor thunder? Your friends are even stranger than your opinions. :p

...and this is relevant how? (And don't get me going on the femmarine thing, I have already proven that there is a loophole in GW's own fluff that makes female space marines possible without breaking canon. And it even requires less mental gymnastics than Codex: Grey Knights to make sense in existing 40k.)

ph34r wrote:Alright, so you actually just prefer the old codex? ...why?
EDIT: mega off topic, moved my response to the necron rumor thread.

I'll have to get back to you there.

CaptKaruthors wrote:

They already do that with the Accept vow.

I agree. It would be stupid..but then again this is GW. They aren't the sharpest tools in the shed when it comes to crap like that.


You've seen the revised Ann' Grath rules right? Nothing is beyond the realm of possibility.

A Templar update would be quick and easy: Leave everything as is rules mechanic wise i.e. Righteous Zeal, etc. Reduce points cost of Techmarine, reduce points cost of Rhinos, Update the Vows that no longer function within the perimeters of the game. Add Chaplain dreads, update Venerable dreads. Add frags and krak to the Crusaders without changing the base cost of them. Finally, revise the Sword Bretheren entry, allow them to outflank with a transport..and make their equipment entry like Vanguard marines.

1. You say that like vows will be unchanged. They will almost certainly be changed quite a bit.
2. I don't care how anti-GW you are, they won't introduce a rule that literally makes it impossible for that army to win. Yeah, they're not the best rules writers in the world, but FFS that's ridiculous.
3. No I haven't seen the revised rules for him because he's Apocalypse only and not balanced for regular play, therefore your argument on him doesn't apply. Once again, it would break them as an army, and the idea that anyone could for one moment think it's a possibility is ridiculous.

Your proposed update sounds perfectly sane; if they shift some points costs around, add in a special character or two and release a "gotta have it" kit that's all they need to do.

I seriously doubt that BT would get the rage USR for the whole army. I could see such an event occurring on special occasions, for example if the EC dies then rage kicks in for your whole army for a turn or two.

I've always thought that BT should have fleet or relentless. Maybe those will be available as upgrades?

Out of interest, have the Black Library done any novels focussing on the Black Templars since the release of their Codex? If so, is it worth having a quick look at them and seeing if any new unit designations crop up, which might turn into Codex entries?

Dysartes wrote:Out of interest, have the Black Library done any novels focussing on the Black Templars since the release of their Codex? If so, is it worth having a quick look at them and seeing if any new unit designations crop up, which might turn into Codex entries?

Helsreach came out in 2010. Nothing new there, just lots of grimmness and darkness and grim darkness.

If you look at the new thread of 6th ed rumors, there is something called a "Zeal Bolt Pistol." Attention was pointed to it in that thread. It's a S5, AP5 RENDING pistol. YOWZA!! Pray for this gun brothers. Hope the 6th ed rumors are not a lie...we want this. As long as our BP/CCW crusaders get this toy automatically

If you look at the codex updates (although this is rumors obviously) the BT don't seem to be listed, along with SoB and Newcrons.

So it could be a great sign that we are soon! Or a sad sign that it could be a WD dex... which would suck.

I've heard rumors that BT are getting their own flyer.

BobTheChainsaw wrote:I've heard rumors that BT are getting their own flyer.

Can you please elaborate? When you said "herd" do you mean read on the interent, or you actually herd someone say something. Where did you hear this? When? Who said it?

sparkywtf wrote:If you look at the codex updates (although this is rumors obviously) the BT don't seem to be listed, along with SoB and Newcrons.

So it could be a great sign that we are soon! Or a sad sign that it could be a WD dex... which would suck.

I don't think GW would sideline a Space Marine release like that again. They tried with BA and it didn't go so well, and Marine codices are basically a license to print money so while I can see it happening, I don't think it's terribly likely.

Davor wrote:

BobTheChainsaw wrote:I've heard rumors that BT are getting their own flyer.

Can you please elaborate? When you said "herd" do you mean read on the interent, or you actually herd someone say something. Where did you hear this? When? Who said it?

I read it on the internet from someone who supposedly has insider sources. This person runs a Black Templar fansite, so they're not just some random bozo.

It still sounds like a random bozo.

Anyone can run a fansite.

sparkywtf wrote:
Anyone can run a fansite.

I resemble that remark. And running a fansite with a forum and a bunch of other gak is harder then it looks.

Oh I know it is, I know some random bozos that do it.

I just wouldn't put much faith in rumors coming from a fansite for something about GW.

YES!
I love Black Templars Now I don't have to use the Space marine codex for my Crusaders! WOOT!

The leaked 6th ed rules change Rage so that it's more controllable. Now you take a leadership test at -1 to move full distance towards the closest enemy, and you have to move all the time. It doesn't specify how far you have to move when you pass the leadership test though. It also doesn't take away scoring.

In other words, under this ruling, army-wide Rage wouldn't be great, but it wouldn't be anywhere near as bad if it were the case. I still doubt it, but it might help the people who grasp onto the Rage rumor.

just realized how outdated we (Black Templars) are. by looking at the date of there FAQ, was released, im really hoping for that March 1st date now.

Notod wrote:just realized how outdated we (Black Templars) are. by looking at the date of there FAQ, was released, im really hoping for that March 1st date now.

I really hope so too. But I probably just wait for it to come out.

sparkywtf wrote:It still sounds like a random bozo.

Anyone can run a fansite.

He's almost certainly talking about Marshal Laeroth who runs Implausible Nature and who has had some kid of good inside track on GW rumors. He's been *really* tight lipped about what he can and can't say and the guy has always been reliable and trustworthy as far as I can tell.

He's also said we may have to adjust to a new play style so a flyer fits.

How about a new troop choice called Supplicant's. These would be planetary govenors 2nd sons and such. Basically, a guardsman or veteran guardsman that are asking to join the Templars.

If the Supplicant name doesn't work for most then call them petitioners.

Doing this would open up the build choices and would fit with the medieval templars theme.