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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The same thin form fitting armour and the same boob-plate, the GW ones are just posed in the typical GW pose where they look like they are about to start doing squats or maybe doing the splits

Uh, what again?
The GW armor for Sisters may not be their thickest one, but it is seriously thicker than the one on those illustrations. I mean, look at the midriff. For the Raging Heroes illustrations, it is clearly thinner than their hip. This is made to make them look more “sexy”, at the expense of looking less armored more skintight. And way smaller pauldrons.
I agree that they are not that far away from GW's sisters, but they push them further in a direction I do not like rather than pushing them further in a direction I like.
I really don't think they're far away from the GW models at all. That GW Sister has narrow legs, the corset is tight, the armour itself is quite trim. The reason it looks bulkier is not the armour, it's the red robes, the large pauldrons and her wide stance. Her feet are about 2 shoulder widths apart, the typical awkward wide stance GW gave models back in 2nd edition when the models first came around.

The armour itself is quite slim, it's just the poses of the raging heroes models are more feminine/elegant/sexy/cheesecake/whatever while the poses of the GW models are more like someone who equally trim trying their best to make themselves look bulky.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
As for the nun, I figured that was less of a heavily armoured battle sister and more of a lightly armoured (or unarmoured) elite unit.

For male units, more elite means better armor. For female units, more elite means lighter armor .
When I first saw the sketches for those nuns my first thought was "glass cannon unit". I understand what you mean, but it's not uncommon to have male elite models wearing less armour for whatever reason as well. Females just better suit the idea of an elite that wears less to have better mobility than a heavily armoured soldier. Not that I'm condoning the half nakedness, but there's things like Flagellants, Slayers, the new Khorne dudes, Wardancers which are both male and female, the male assassin models aren't wearing bulky armour, etc etc.

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
That GW Sister has narrow legs, the corset is tight, the armour itself is quite trim.

The corset clearly does not have the hourglass figure from the raging heroes illustrations.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Her feet are about 2 shoulder widths apart, the typical awkward wide stance GW gave models back in 2nd edition when the models first came around.

Her pose is one of the best ever made by GW. She is literally the best model for Sisters of Battle, maybe tied with Celestine. And she is only a simple Sister Superior, not even a Canoness.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The armour itself is quite slim, it's just the poses of the raging heroes models are more feminine/elegant/sexy/cheesecake/whatever while the poses of the GW models are more like someone who equally trim trying their best to make themselves look bulky.

I believe actually it is also about the armor. Sister Reyallia, for instance, is not really standing straight, putting more weight on her left hip than on her right one. Now, if you would remove the hourglass armor, and make the midriff section as wide as the thigh section, it would not look sexy/cheesecake/feminine/whatever. It would look a bit weird.
Sister Altarii has a small case of boobs and butt pose, though. That is not the right way to shoot at people while going away from them with a jumppack, she should be just tilting her back toward the floor so she can keep her torso straight, and just look down on her opponents while shooting them.
I tried to make a drawing to illustrate:

How much do I suck at drawing ?
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Females just better suit the idea of an elite that wears less to have better mobility than a heavily armoured soldier.

I disagree.
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Not that I'm condoning the half nakedness, but there's things like Flagellants, Slayers, the new Khorne dudes, Wardancers which are both male and female, the male assassin models aren't wearing bulky armour, etc etc.

The (arco)flagellants were never an elite unit. They are canon-fodder, destined to die. They are dangerous, but certainly not elite. The non-arco flagellants are just random very desperate folks. Iirc, they have WS2. Not sure what the slayers or new khorne dudes are.

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 ClockworkZion wrote:
First one is clearly wearing armor and Blanche draws everyone like that.

And I meant the one on the right with what looks to be thigh-highs and a shiny black material for her form fitting boob socks:
[SNIP]
So yeah, not my thing for Sisters. Now fetish gear I'd say "sure, that's fine" but not a heavily armored combat nun.
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EDIT: Also how dare I have different tastes about what I feel fits Sisters or not.
 ClockworkZion wrote:
I was specifically talking about the nun on their new Kick Starter image in my inital post.

And no, I still don't like their approach for most of them (Sister Reyallia and Sister Altarii namely there, the others with the thicker armor is better in my mind).

Personally I'd prefer to keep pin-up-eske models to Slaanesh more than Sisters.


I can understand some distaste for the "Gimp Suit" in the launch picture, and i would have agreed for Sisters of Battle, if it had not reminded me of THIS.
Most of the artwork I find entirely appropriate for a sisters theme, and you can't say that they believe less in equality than GW. Even if I believe that the strict training routines and constant deployment would avoid such a result (a Cardinal, maybe...)

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Psienesis wrote:
Not really sure where you're getting the "naughty nuns" idea from the picture gallery, at least beyond the attire that certain GW Sisters are already depicted in wearing.

Well, it depends which GW artwork you focus on. I love Andrea Uderzo's sisters. I guess I said enough.


Agreed, Andrea Uderzo's work is pretty much exactly how I would see Sisters of Battle.

I will not deny that Raging Heroes is VERY pin-up style, but as it has been said, i don't think they're even trying to hide that fact:
 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Or that this one is straight up modeled after the porn star from the cover of the Blink 182 album, lol.



I can easily see why their project may have very little appeal for some, but i think that it will fit in with GW sisters quite nicely

You would find a bit of everything in the 40k Universe, and some of their models are really not that bad. Although they're the ones that have not yet been received, lol

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It's like you take a Space Marine and say "what could make him cooler?" Instead of adding more super-genetic-psycho-organic modification, you take it all away. You have a regular human left in power armor and all the armies of hell at the gates. And she doesn't even flinch. Pure. Badass. 
   
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To me the problem with the Raging Heroes models is not really their design or their quality. They do produce very good model with great details. The problem is their posing. Most of their designer seems to think that because women are flexible they enjoy spending lot of time twisted like pretzels. The Sister of Mercy models have this issue has well. Their Jet Pack hero, who would be an excellent Seraphim in my opinion, is posed in a ridiculous back breaking stance. We still can't see all the other model of their range so we don't know if they will produce something that could look like decent SoB troops.

There is no big secret on how to make good female soldier models. The rule is simple you want them badass, but pretty (not just pretty and not pretty, but badass). A medium size armor like those of the GW Sisters are actually very good. Sisters still look rather feminine without looking like cheap Pin-Up models and it's easy to believe these armour offer a lot of protection and mobility (unlike Space Marine armour who look like they force you to walk ponderously). They just need to release them and they will have people to buy them.
   
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Thing is with the Sister Altarii (Jet-Pack Model), is that she is drawn no different than THIS model, the only difference being a bended knee, which seems much more probable if you just launched from somewhere.....

As for the Space Marine armour looking cumbersome, so much fluff has said how they are faster than "normal Humans" athletes. It's all an illusion !!


ED: Ok, had a better look and i suppose they are bending forward a bit more (too much). But it's still concept stage.

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Manchu wrote:
It's like you take a Space Marine and say "what could make him cooler?" Instead of adding more super-genetic-psycho-organic modification, you take it all away. You have a regular human left in power armor and all the armies of hell at the gates. And she doesn't even flinch. Pure. Badass. 
   
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GW has listened ( maybe not necessarily to this appeal, but the general demand: )

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/03/40k-fate-of-the-adepta-sororitas.html

Plastic sisters incoming with a new range of models.

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 BlackTalos wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
First one is clearly wearing armor and Blanche draws everyone like that.

And I meant the one on the right with what looks to be thigh-highs and a shiny black material for her form fitting boob socks:
[SNIP]
So yeah, not my thing for Sisters. Now fetish gear I'd say "sure, that's fine" but not a heavily armored combat nun.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
EDIT: Also how dare I have different tastes about what I feel fits Sisters or not.
 ClockworkZion wrote:
I was specifically talking about the nun on their new Kick Starter image in my inital post.

And no, I still don't like their approach for most of them (Sister Reyallia and Sister Altarii namely there, the others with the thicker armor is better in my mind).

Personally I'd prefer to keep pin-up-eske models to Slaanesh more than Sisters.


I can understand some distaste for the "Gimp Suit" in the launch picture, and i would have agreed for Sisters of Battle, if it had not reminded me of THIS.
Most of the artwork I find entirely appropriate for a sisters theme, and you can't say that they believe less in equality than GW. Even if I believe that the strict training routines and constant deployment would avoid such a result (a Cardinal, maybe...)

I had no complaints about the stockier female Sister model, namely because she wasn't pure unadultered cheese cake looking for an excuse to exist.

And Death Cult Assassins don't wear Power Armor. I'll admit I want better poses for them too, but when at least they aren't cheesecaking too much.
   
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That looks good to me

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 RunicFIN wrote:
GW has listened ( maybe not necessarily to this appeal, but the general demand: )

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/03/40k-fate-of-the-adepta-sororitas.html

Plastic sisters incoming with a new range of models.


I'm not sure I have any faith in this rumor. Basically I will doubt until I see pictures of the White Dwarf listing their sale and even then I may have some bit of doubt until they are in my hand. Its the only way we can protect oursevles from getting our hopes dashed again.
   
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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
That GW Sister has narrow legs, the corset is tight, the armour itself is quite trim.

The corset clearly does not have the hourglass figure from the raging heroes illustrations.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Her feet are about 2 shoulder widths apart, the typical awkward wide stance GW gave models back in 2nd edition when the models first came around.

Her pose is one of the best ever made by GW. She is literally the best model for Sisters of Battle, maybe tied with Celestine. And she is only a simple Sister Superior, not even a Canoness.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The armour itself is quite slim, it's just the poses of the raging heroes models are more feminine/elegant/sexy/cheesecake/whatever while the poses of the GW models are more like someone who equally trim trying their best to make themselves look bulky.

I believe actually it is also about the armor. Sister Reyallia, for instance, is not really standing straight, putting more weight on her left hip than on her right one. Now, if you would remove the hourglass armor, and make the midriff section as wide as the thigh section, it would not look sexy/cheesecake/feminine/whatever. It would look a bit weird.
Sister Altarii has a small case of boobs and butt pose, though. That is not the right way to shoot at people while going away from them with a jumppack, she should be just tilting her back toward the floor so she can keep her torso straight, and just look down on her opponents while shooting them.
I tried to make a drawing to illustrate:

How much do I suck at drawing ?
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't own the GW model, but looking at the picture the boob to waist ratio on the GW model is even more extreme than Reyallia, about the same as Altarii. Maybe the wrists and ankles are a bit bulkier on the GW model but it doesn't look like much to me. The pose is the far bigger culprit than the actual armour design.

That Sister model, to me, just looks like your typical 2nd edition model (I don't even know if that's when it comes from, that's just what it looks like ) with the wide stance and flat pose (flat as in it can be cast as 1 piece).
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Females just better suit the idea of an elite that wears less to have better mobility than a heavily armoured soldier.

I disagree.
Perhaps I should elaborate. There's a stereotype of the slow but powerful hulking beast and a stereotype of the slender, elegant, fast warrior who maybe isn't so tough. I think you're kidding yourself if you don't acknowledge females tend to fit better in to the 2nd one than the first. Not saying they can't exist in both and I don't mean to suggest the groups are exclusive, hell, look at Game of Thrones.
Oberon and Gregor Clegane fit in to those stereotypes despite both being male...
Spoiler:

And Brienne is a pretty beefy lady...
Spoiler:

But for the most part I don't think it's sexist to feel the female form is more likely to fit in to the fast, skilled, but maybe not as strong and tough stereotype.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Not that I'm condoning the half nakedness, but there's things like Flagellants, Slayers, the new Khorne dudes, Wardancers which are both male and female, the male assassin models aren't wearing bulky armour, etc etc.

The (arco)flagellants were never an elite unit. They are canon-fodder, destined to die. They are dangerous, but certainly not elite. The non-arco flagellants are just random very desperate folks. Iirc, they have WS2. Not sure what the slayers or new khorne dudes are.
I admit elite was probably the wrong terminology but the image I had going through my mind was a fast, deadly warrior who didn't use armour because it'd just slow them down.

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If Sisters were fast and had a higher skill you'd have a point, but beyond their BS they're standard humans (with only vet Sisters, Canoness and Celestine having more than WS/I3)
   
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 RunicFIN wrote:
GW has listened ( maybe not necessarily to this appeal, but the general demand: )

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/03/40k-fate-of-the-adepta-sororitas.html

Plastic sisters incoming with a new range of models.


Yeah, even in the very slim chance that the rumours are a result from the appeal, I'll believe them when we get White Dwarf leaks......

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I had no complaints about the stockier female Sister model, namely because she wasn't pure unadultered cheese cake looking for an excuse to exist.

And Death Cult Assassins don't wear Power Armor. I'll admit I want better poses for them too, but when at least they aren't cheesecaking too much.


Thing is, apart from the boots, just about, i cannot fathom that model is drawn wearing Power armour, which is why i saw it as an assassin. The only thing throwing me off is the two guns, but looking at some of the previous TGG models, they have "proxied" some weapons, so i would not put it past them calling those "Power Pistols" that have "the strength of any sword because *Reasons*".
She also has a sword on her back. And she looks more badass than the current Death Cult models imho. Dunno, the thought of that drawing being a Battle sister in Power Armour just never happened.

My view might be influenced by my current count-ins for the Battle Conclave:

(On the right, i have THIS MODEL, converted for two swords, and a few other similarly converted models, although they all have swords and not Pistols...)

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It's like you take a Space Marine and say "what could make him cooler?" Instead of adding more super-genetic-psycho-organic modification, you take it all away. You have a regular human left in power armor and all the armies of hell at the gates. And she doesn't even flinch. Pure. Badass. 
   
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 BlackTalos wrote:
I can understand some distaste for the "Gimp Suit" in the launch picture, and i would have agreed for Sisters of Battle, if it had not reminded me of THIS.

I am sorry, those were where erased from my mind and forever replaced by that. Lighter but still very ornate armor, the trademark loincloth of the rest of the Sisters, big pauldrons, very dynamic poses, more wysiwyg wargear than the official models, hoods that go along perfectly with the religious zealot theme… yeah, I will just erase the official models out of existence and substitute those instead . Thanks Privateer Press.
(I still had to green-stuff their metal bra into a breastplate and to make it so that we do not see their asses through both the armor and the loincloth )
 BlackTalos wrote:
Thing is with the Sister Altarii (Jet-Pack Model), is that she is drawn no different than THIS model, the only difference being a bended knee, which seems much more probable if you just launched from somewhere.....
[…]
ED: Ok, had a better look and i suppose they are bending forward a bit more (too much). But it's still concept stage.

Nope. Not at all.
Spoiler:

The Sister is standing perfectly straight. Her torso is completely facing in the same direction as her feet are. Only her head is turned to look on her left, where she aims her pistol. She is shooting in front of her to the left, not behind her. That would be a legal move in Warmachine.
Spoiler:

The Sister's feet are facing directly toward the left of the picture. She is shooting toward the right side, in a manner that would be against the rule if you would use her in Warmachine, because it is clearly behind a 180° arc around her feet. As a result, she has to twist her torso. If her torso was straight, given her feet, both her shoulders would be at the same level on the picture.

But with a side view of her not twisting her torso, we would not be able to see both breasts. That is why the T&A pose is used so much. You will notice that this is a mild case compared to most case depicted there. But yeah, this is the reason why so, so many female characters are depicted with their heels pointed toward the viewer. Look at the heels. It will tell you stuff. And yeah, I am pretty sure that was not an overlook that will be solved after the concept stage, but it was a purposeful decision to made to make her look “sexy”. It would not be the first model to do that.
I stand by my point: if you want to shoot behind where you are going, and look badass doing it, with a jetpack, you do not twist your torso. You glide with your back toward the earth so you can calmly aim and look at your opponent in the eye while you shoot them. You are not a mere pedestrian, goddammit!

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I don't own the GW model, but looking at the picture the boob to waist ratio on the GW model is even more extreme than Reyallia, about the same as Altarii.

I was not talking about the boob to waist, I was talking about the waist to hips. For GW Sisters there is no difference, for Raging Heroes Sisters the waist is way smaller. That is what makes the Raging Heroes Sisters look more like slim women wearing skintight armor. The GW Sisters do have huge boobcup, but those looks are obviously armor, not actual boobs, and give us no more indication about the size of the Sister's breast that Sanguinary Guard armor tells us about their actual nipple size.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I think you're kidding yourself if you don't acknowledge females tend to fit better in to the 2nd one than the first.

Well, I am kidding myself then .

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I admit elite was probably the wrong terminology but the image I had going through my mind was a fast, deadly warrior who didn't use armour because it'd just slow them down.

She does not look deadly or fast to me. She looks fetish fuel. My own DCA presented above looks fast and deadly.
Actually, she seems right out of that video.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 BlackTalos wrote:
I can understand some distaste for the "Gimp Suit" in the launch picture, and i would have agreed for Sisters of Battle, if it had not reminded me of THIS.

I am sorry, those were where erased from my mind and forever replaced by that. Lighter but still very ornate armor, the trademark loincloth of the rest of the Sisters, big pauldrons, very dynamic poses, more wysiwyg wargear than the official models, hoods that go along perfectly with the religious zealot theme… yeah, I will just erase the official models out of existence and substitute those instead . Thanks Privateer Press.
(I still had to green-stuff their metal bra into a breastplate and to make it so that we do not see their asses through both the armor and the loincloth )


Very nice models! I'll need to get you a picture of the one bottom left of your picture, made my own shield for her, she is an amazing-looking Crusader model !
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:
Thing is with the Sister Altarii (Jet-Pack Model), is that she is drawn no different than THIS model, the only difference being a bended knee, which seems much more probable if you just launched from somewhere.....
[…]
ED: Ok, had a better look and i suppose they are bending forward a bit more (too much). But it's still concept stage.

Nope. Not at all.
Spoiler:

The Sister is standing perfectly straight. Her torso is completely facing in the same direction as her feet are. Only her head is turned to look on her left, where she aims her pistol. She is shooting in front of her to the left, not behind her. That would be a legal move in Warmachine.
Spoiler:

The Sister's feet are facing directly toward the left of the picture. She is shooting toward the right side, in a manner that would be against the rule if you would use her in Warmachine, because it is clearly behind a 180° arc around her feet. As a result, she has to twist her torso. If her torso was straight, given her feet, both her shoulders would be at the same level on the picture.

But with a side view of her not twisting her torso, we would not be able to see both breasts. That is why the T&A pose is used so much. You will notice that this is a mild case compared to most case depicted there. But yeah, this is the reason why so, so many female characters are depicted with their heels pointed toward the viewer. Look at the heels. It will tell you stuff. And yeah, I am pretty sure that was not an overlook that will be solved after the concept stage, but it was a purposeful decision to made to make her look “sexy”. It would not be the first model to do that.
I stand by my point: if you want to shoot behind where you are going, and look badass doing it, with a jetpack, you do not twist your torso. You glide with your back toward the earth so you can calmly aim and look at your opponent in the eye while you shoot them. You are not a mere pedestrian, goddammit!


Lol, i agree about the "you would not be flying sideways and shooting backwards, but i think that the position of the drawing is not as bad as the B & B examples you have given:

From my analysis of the picture (because we both own the GW model and know that pose ) :
- You can see the entire front of the Gun, and stock, which seem to be at a 45* angle from view. From this picture, if you are looking at a computer screen straight on, she would be shooting just past your right ear, at something almost behind you, not "to the right" (or not as much as you make it sound imo) [EDIT: about exactly where the GW sister in the picture is aiming at]

- You can see the "top" of her left foot, and most of the knee-joint plate. This would indicate not a leg facing directly left, but more of a 45* - 60* angle from view.

- I agree that the right leg is completely at 90* from view, folded.

- the "boob-plate" is about 45*-35* rotated (almost straight at the view - i'm guessing there was a "need" for this part)

- The stomach guard (corset piece?) only shows one side, while the other is mainly obscured. this suggest an alignment with the left leg, at a 45* - 60*

- Holding a sword in her right hand, which seems quite clear from the right leg, as the cloak has space to flow in-between.

- Finally the cloak itself covers a lot more of the right leg, and as it seems attached at the Hips, it would suggest that these are also facing us (not just "to the left")

In conclusion from the above: I am seeing this model as shooting pretty much 90* from herself, with about 10-20* at the Hips, and an arm stretched 90*-ish from the torso, looking like she's leaning "Left", away from us, and in mid-turn. The head seems aligned with the arm, but could be facing more "left" than the aim.

I will not deny a full attempt at a T& A pose, but really don't think we're looking at 180*. More like 95*-100* between Gun and legs, which is still more than the 70*-80* GW model, but quite close imho

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I don't own the GW model, but looking at the picture the boob to waist ratio on the GW model is even more extreme than Reyallia, about the same as Altarii.

I was not talking about the boob to waist, I was talking about the waist to hips. For GW Sisters there is no difference, for Raging Heroes Sisters the waist is way smaller. That is what makes the Raging Heroes Sisters look more like slim women wearing skintight armor. The GW Sisters do have huge boobcup, but those looks are obviously armor, not actual boobs, and give us no more indication about the size of the Sister's breast that Sanguinary Guard armor tells us about their actual nipple size.


Raging Heroes Sisters definitely have an Eldar waist, but the concept may vary on production, especially if this is notified to them (they changed the realism on some of the Kurganovas already)
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:


AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I think you're kidding yourself if you don't acknowledge females tend to fit better in to the 2nd one than the first.

Well, I am kidding myself then .

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I admit elite was probably the wrong terminology but the image I had going through my mind was a fast, deadly warrior who didn't use armour because it'd just slow them down.

She does not look deadly or fast to me. She looks fetish fuel. My own DCA presented above looks fast and deadly.
Actually, she seems right out of that video.


I can agree with the Launch-picture really being "gimp-suit", but as i said, probably not a Battle-Sister equivalent (or one hopes, at least)

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It's like you take a Space Marine and say "what could make him cooler?" Instead of adding more super-genetic-psycho-organic modification, you take it all away. You have a regular human left in power armor and all the armies of hell at the gates. And she doesn't even flinch. Pure. Badass. 
   
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RE: Sanguinary Guard armor.

I've joked locally that the nipples are actually formed by having the Marines fitted in a very cold room.
   
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 BlackTalos wrote:
I will not deny a full attempt at a T& A pose, but really don't think we're looking at 180*. More like 95*-100* between Gun and legs, which is still more than the 70*-80* GW model, but quite close imho

Would you agree with the fact she would look so much more badass if she just rotated over to have her back facing the ground rather than her belly? If so we will be in agreement .

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

I stand by my point: if you want to shoot behind where you are going, and look badass doing it, with a jetpack, you do not twist your torso. You glide with your back toward the earth so you can calmly aim and look at your opponent in the eye while you shoot them. You are not a mere pedestrian, goddammit!


I can actually completely agree with you on this. The caveat to that in my mind though is that I'm playing a Fantasy space game. I'm not actually worried about whether everything is completely realistic, especially from a posing perspective.

It seems like alot of people don't like the Raging Heroes poses, but have you ever seen photos of all the movement positions before they find just the right image for a baseball card? Lots of images get thrown out before they settle on just the right one, and lots of those images frankly look stupid, but most of the time it's because it's a still frame, one single captured moment in a sequence of movement. No matter how ridiculous the pose may seem, I choose to interpret it as a freezeframe in a moment of action. And I'm okay with that looking fantastical or even kinda grindhouse. After all, I'm playing in a fantasy universe where superhumans exist, elves are literally better than everybody, ancient alien terminators just won't die, and chaos daemons can't stop laughing.

I think maybe we're making alot of assumptions here too. Has anyone seen actual models yet, or is this literally just dramatic posed second or third draft images? I just feel a little like this all might be jumping the gun before there's much to really judge. I also think if we don't like particular aspects of the art, like the armor thicknesses, the easiest way to give voice to those thoughts is to just stick a dollar in on the kickstarter and go yell at the artists directly. That way at least your opinions really get heard by someone who can affect change if it's deemed good.

I really hope that new rumor on BOLS regarding new actual Sisters units is true. I'ma laugh my rear off though if those come out and many of the same arguments can be made about their models too. I'll have to wait and see.

P.S. Despite all the differing viewpoints, I kinda love all you guys for it.

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The thing about the Raging Heroes poses is that not everyone is a fan of the "t&a pose" which is designed to emphasis the butt and chest at the same time. It's silly, it's pandering, and even in space fantasy I'd like my characters to not be contorting themselves inside their power armor in an attempt to look sexier.

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 ClockworkZion wrote:
If Sisters were fast and had a higher skill you'd have a point, but beyond their BS they're standard humans (with only vet Sisters, Canoness and Celestine having more than WS/I3)
Sorry I wasn't talking about Sisters in general.

The 40k Ws scale is a bit broken to represent anything anyway. Ws3 to 4 covers everything from a mildly trained guardsman up to a genetically modified superhuman who has been training and fighting battles constantly for 100's of years. That huge difference in skill comes down to "I am 33% more likely to hit you than you are to hit me" That and also Ws4 seems to be given out rather arbitrarily.
   
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I agree that the numbers cover a wide range, but at least with Sisters most of the uses of the stat makes sense (outside of Battle Sister Superiors, aka actual veteran Sisters who are most likely Celestians and are entrusted with the training of new initiates, are WS3 for no explainable reason).
   
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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I think you're kidding yourself if you don't acknowledge females tend to fit better in to the 2nd one than the first.

Well, I am kidding myself then .
I think you are a little bit.

But I feel like I'm complicit in throwing this thread in to the dark yet often trodden realm of discussing women in general in a fantasy setting which has been the downfall of many a thread, my apologies, lets try and keep closer to the topic.

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 Phyrekzhogos wrote:
I can actually completely agree with you on this. The caveat to that in my mind though is that I'm playing a Fantasy space game. I'm not actually worried about whether everything is completely realistic, especially from a posing perspective.

Not sure if that was what you meant or not, but I do not want that gliding for realism. I want it because it looks badass! I do not care about my jumpack working in realistic ways.

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I don't care if the jump pack is realistic as much as the human body working like the actual human body. You want to pose Eldar like that? Fine, at least their an alien species and have an excuse.
   
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I would not care about the human body not working like a human body if it was to give us more Glory.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I would not care about the human body not working like a human body if it was to give us more Glory.

Glory is born of the union between two mystical alien races

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Not sure if that was what you meant or not, but I do not want that gliding for realism. I want it because it looks badass! I do not care about my jumpack working in realistic ways.


I was agreeing with you on the look. I think it looks incredible that way. My caveat was that it's okay in my mind not to be overly realistic. From an aiming perspective however, I actually "do" think your way of modeling it would make more realistic sense anyways though.

If we get some good plastic mini's I sorta hope they'll have separate legs and torsos so each could be modeled out a little differently. I pretty much always like to model my characters with action poses (at least as well as I can) because I think my army looks more interesting that way.

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Yeah, me too! I so wish for a multi-part plastic kit that will allow tons of cool posing.
 ClockworkZion wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I would not care about the human body not working like a human body if it was to give us more Glory.

Glory is born of the union between two mystical alien races

DOUBLE HERESY!

Read it. I bet you will enjoy it.

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Herzlos wrote:
I'm not sure you can buy stuff as a protest. It'll just show that you'll still buy it.

More effective would be to send them a receipt for £400 worth of bolt action, explaining that it was money earmarked for sisters butyou got bored waiting and your sisters are now on ebay.


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He fething gets it.


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 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Like, seriously, what the feth is this model doing?
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Obviously she was sneaking through the forest towards her target, heard a twig break behind her, and swung her 258 pound Elephant gun around to eliminate the threat. Like you do.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Or that this one is straight up modeled after the porn star from the cover of the Blink 182 album, lol.
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Their music sucks more than she does.

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Read it. I bet you will enjoy it.

To busy reading 40k novels lately honestly. Starting the Ultramarine Omnibus today.

Read the Mars trilogy and Storm of Iron last week.
   
 
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