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Deadshot has powers? I thought he was just a REALLY accurate marksman. Like an evil Hawkeye.

There's probably a suggestion somewhere in the comics that Deadshot is supernaturally accurate.

I think Marvel has gone down the route that Hawkeye and bullseye are literally superhumanly accurate. Tony Stark is literally super smart.

Being smart and being super well trained to be accurate are things normal people can accomplish. That's like saying Arnold Schwartzenager was super powered because he used to be the strongest man alive. Tony is a hero because of his armor, but he's a regular guy under it. Clint and Natasha (and Floyd) are regular people. Bullseye (Lester) has adamantium laced bones at this point. So he isn't exactly just human anymore. But his accuracy skills, I believe, are from practice.

Generally yeah, however there was a thing at someone that did suggest it. Not sure the source of it all but it was a theory going round a couple of years ago.


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Generally yeah, however there was a thing at someone that did suggest it. Not sure the source of it all but it was a theory going round a couple of years ago.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Deadshot has powers? I thought he was just a REALLY accurate marksman. Like an evil Hawkeye.

I think they are using powers really loosely

i mean Harly has what..?? kink powers?

actually she is should of show off more of her psychology powers :/

and captain boomerang has aussy power?

You mean Unicorn-spank powers. That he stole from Deadpool.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Being smart and being super well trained to be accurate are things normal people can accomplish.

Bouncing shots off walls with 100% accuracy isn't really something that's achieavable for humans.

Tony is a hero because of his armor, but he's a regular guy under it.

Stark achieved an expert level knowledge of thermonuclear physics in a single night. He's achieved mastery of multiple technologies that no-one else is able to even copy. He's so far past the human level scale of intelligence that what he does is basically indistinguishable from magic. There's nothing wrong with that, of course, those kinds of incredible aptitudes are part and parcel of comics and comic book movies, but it is what it is.

 sebster wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Being smart and being super well trained to be accurate are things normal people can accomplish.

Bouncing shots off walls with 100% accuracy isn't really something that's achieavable for humans.

Tony is a hero because of his armor, but he's a regular guy under it.

Stark achieved an expert level knowledge of thermonuclear physics in a single night. He's achieved mastery of multiple technologies that no-one else is able to even copy. He's so far past the human level scale of intelligence that what he does is basically indistinguishable from magic. There's nothing wrong with that, of course, those kinds of incredible aptitudes are part and parcel of comics and comic book movies, but it is what it is.

Agreed - respect!

I still have to see Suicide Squad before in leaves theaters... maybe this week?

It has pulled in an impressive worldwide box office to date though!

I cant remember who it was, but I think it was in reference to season 2 of Daredevil on Netflix. He said that the Punisher totally has a superpower; inhuman rage.

Batman's I suppose would be "crazy prepared"

Helps put some perspective on the vary degrees of ludicrous in our super heroes

Wasnt there one point where Tomy Stark was actually made of regenerating brain matter?

But I agree the premise behind SS is silly. "We need meta humans!"

"Okay, here is a reluctant one and a gang of slightly meta humans."

 LordofHats wrote:
I cant remember who it was, but I think it was in reference to season 2 of Daredevil on Netflix. He said that the Punisher totally has a superpower; inhuman rage.

Batman's I suppose would be "crazy prepared"

Helps put some perspective on the vary degrees of ludicrous in our super heroes

The Joker's superpower in SS was 'his murder sprees inspire an extraordinarily lackadaisical response from police and security forces'

 LordofHats wrote:
I cant remember who it was, but I think it was in reference to season 2 of Daredevil on Netflix. He said that the Punisher totally has a superpower; inhuman rage.

Batman's I suppose would be "crazy prepared"

Helps put some perspective on the vary degrees of ludicrous in our super heroes

 sebster wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
I cant remember who it was, but I think it was in reference to season 2 of Daredevil on Netflix. He said that the Punisher totally has a superpower; inhuman rage.

Batman's I suppose would be "crazy prepared"

Helps put some perspective on the vary degrees of ludicrous in our super heroes

The Joker's superpower in SS was 'his murder sprees inspire an extraordinarily lackadaisical response from police and security forces'

Well he had flawless super pre-cognition for the majority of the Nolan film.

I get the impression that the security forces stay out of the way when the Joker, Batman and co are rampaging about in Gotham in the current DC film universe?

Something else that has come out of Suicide Squad, the Batman Miniatures Game Game Box.

 sebster wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Being smart and being super well trained to be accurate are things normal people can accomplish.

Bouncing shots off walls with 100% accuracy isn't really something that's achieavable for humans.

To be fair, did Deadshot really do that beyond the little "flashback" sequence?

It took him:
A) Figuring out where the witness was going to be.
and
B) Setting up a camera which is what he used to bounce the shot off of to do that crazy shot.

The rest of it was just stupid accurate line of sight fire in rapid succession.

I really did expect there was going to be a thing in his "tryout" scene where the bullet he fired up into the air would fall back down and kill jerky jerk guard as he was walking away with Waller.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 sebster wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
I cant remember who it was, but I think it was in reference to season 2 of Daredevil on Netflix. He said that the Punisher totally has a superpower; inhuman rage.

Batman's I suppose would be "crazy prepared"

Helps put some perspective on the vary degrees of ludicrous in our super heroes

The Joker's superpower in SS was 'his murder sprees inspire an extraordinarily lackadaisical response from police and security forces'

Well he had flawless super pre-cognition for the majority of the Nolan film.

I get the impression that the security forces stay out of the way when the Joker, Batman and co are rampaging about in Gotham in the current DC film universe?

Despite the Joker's protest to the contrary he had a master plan and out thought the cops. Fortunately for him Nolan's Batman isn't very smart.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Well he had flawless super pre-cognition for the majority of the Nolan film.

Yeah, I always wondered if the Joker was meant to be so smart that he knew exactly which exit and corner the police would take, or if he somehow managed to get goons with grappling hooks on every single street block in Gotham.

I know the answer is 'don't think about it'

I get the impression that the security forces stay out of the way when the Joker, Batman and co are rampaging about in Gotham in the current DC film universe?

I always root for the underdog, and so in comic book movies I find myself cheering for the hapless security guards and policemen. It's a frustrating exercise


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 Kanluwen wrote:
It took him:
A) Figuring out where the witness was going to be.
and
B) Setting up a camera which is what he used to bounce the shot off of to do that crazy shot.

Yeah, but seriously think about the physics of controlling the bounce of a bullet. There's so many variables at play, and that bullet travelled for some distance after rebounding to strike the target in the head. To get the right angle you would need to be accurate within the tiniest fraction of a millimeter, and perfectly accounted for the weight of the round, the resitance of the target metal, in addition to the usual environmental factors. That is not, and cannot ever, be humanly possible.
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The rest of it was just stupid accurate line of sight fire in rapid succession.

Stupid accurate to the point where he melted bullet sized holes in the targets in the prison gun range. His powers were basically magic.


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 Crimson Devil wrote:
Despite the Joker's protest to the contrary he had a master plan and out thought the cops. Fortunately for him Nolan's Batman isn't very smart.

Forget Nolan's Batman. The Joker managed to get large drums of explosives in to a hospital with no-one noticing, and then repeated the same feat on a boat transporting prisoners.

Batman probably wasn't stupid so much as exhausted. He appeared to be the only one doing anything

I get the impression that the security forces stay out of the way when the Joker, Batman and co are rampaging about in Gotham in the current DC film universe?

I always root for the underdog, and so in comic book movies I find myself cheering for the hapless security guards and policemen. It's a frustrating exercise

Indeed! The Batman Miniatures Game is just taking off here, and while everyone was jumping on their Batmans, Harleys, Scarecrows, Banes, and other super bad arses, I grabbed up Gordon and the GCPD.

Also I loved the page in a Green Lantern book a bit back where a dude was raising an army of zombies. Cops showed up, and the officer in charge sees the shambling horde heading towards them, and yells out Alright men, you've trained for this, head shots and major joints! and the cops proceed to just mow them down.

In a world where weird crap like that is a not uncommon occurance, you train for it.

I think Deadshot's powers are clearly metahuman, which brings the number of useful metahumans on the Suicide Squad to 2.

Unless by "useful" we mean that they could stop the "What if Superman had decided to fly down, rip off the roof of the white house, grab the president right out of the oval office? Who would've stopped him?" scenario for which they were formed.

In that situation, the useful number of metahumans on the team remains a solid 0.

 AduroT wrote:
Also I loved the page in a Green Lantern book a bit back where a dude was raising an army of zombies. Cops showed up, and the officer in charge sees the shambling horde heading towards them, and yells out Alright men, you've trained for this, head shots and major joints! and the cops proceed to just mow them down.

That's awesome!

And yeah, with all that crazy stuff going around it bugs me that police don't change (except for your example). 9mm pistols don't work on half these dudes... start packing bigger guns you idiots.


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 Ouze wrote:
I think Deadshot's powers are clearly metahuman, which brings the number of useful metahumans on the Suicide Squad to 2.

Killer Croc was metahuman, but I'm guessing you excluded him on the 'useful' front. it seemed like he was only going to be useful in situations where they have to swim underwater. I guess they just got really lucky when that exact thing was needed at the end of the movie

In that situation, the useful number of metahumans on the team remains a solid 0.

I don't know much about El Diablo, but it seemed his powers scaled pretty high. He stood his own in a punch up with the enchanter... whatever the brother of Enchantress was called.

Probably not enough to match it with Superman, but close enough that it wasn't ludicrous to have him in a Superman stopping team. No argument for the rest of them, though.

If it came down to it, Diablo and Enchantress could probably put up a fight against Superman. Enchantress is crazy powerful*. Diablo can be, and Superman has absolutely no defence against magic so while he's a threat to them, they are as much of a threat to him. Deadshot could probably get a Kryptonite bullet through Superman's eye if he were given access to some, he's clever enough to set up some kind of trap situation like Batman does in BvS that would eventually expose a weakness.

The others? Yeah, they're useless in that situation, but bear in mind the 'Superman' scenario was part of Waller's pitch to get the Task Force approved, she never really intends for them to go up against Superman but presenting that argument means she gets the clearance to put her team together for all the other nasty stuff she needs done.

*In the first volume of the N52 Justice League Dark, she basically takes down the whole regular Justice League at once, Supes included, on her own, which is what prompts the formation of the JLD in the first place to fight fire with fire.

Yeah, I get Waller never planned to actually put them up against Superman. I'd like to say that the government wouldn't bankroll a project whose stated goal is "defeat Superman" when presented with a team that had little to no chance to "defeat Superman".

On the other hand, considering how the F-35 went, perhaps that was the most realistic part of the movie.

So far as the kryptonite bullet idea, again there doesn't seem to be a huge advantage to using Deadshot instead of just a team of Navy SEALS or what have you. While I'd say Deadshot is a metahuman, I'm not sure he has an ability that is particularly useful. Conventional human snipers are already very effective.

I'd agree that Enchantress would potentially be able to combat Superman, at least briefly. I overlooked her because

Between Enchantress and Diablo, I suppose they'd probably be able to hold Superman off briefly, at least a minute or two I imagine. The version of Suicide Squad that I read didn't have Enchantress so I only know her powers from what I've seen in the movie.

 sebster wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Also I loved the page in a Green Lantern book a bit back where a dude was raising an army of zombies. Cops showed up, and the officer in charge sees the shambling horde heading towards them, and yells out Alright men, you've trained for this, head shots and major joints! and the cops proceed to just mow them down.

That's awesome!

And yeah, with all that crazy stuff going around it bugs me that police don't change (except for your example). 9mm pistols don't work on half these dudes... start packing bigger guns you idiots.

The GCPD is really the only one that doesn't change their modus operandi or armament. They have Batman, and they know Batman won't pull his punches.


Star City, Central City, Keystone City, and the other places with metahuman related shenanigans on a daily basis have changed things up.

Heck, S.T.A.R. Labs exists in many of those cities strictly to provide support to local police agencies.

To the surprise of, i imagine, no one - the Harley Quinn spinoff movie got greenlighted. Margot Robbie is going to exec produce.

 Ouze wrote:
To the surprise of, i imagine, no one - the Harley Quinn spinoff movie got greenlighted. Margot Robbie is going to exec produce.

Don't care about movie script... I'm so watching this spinoff because of Margot.

 Ouze wrote:
To the surprise of, i imagine, no one - the Harley Quinn spinoff movie got greenlighted. Margot Robbie is going to exec produce.

I, for one, am shocked that Warner would double down on the only standout character of the film, the only character that they promoted ALL THE TIME for the film. Shocked, I tell you!

 whembly wrote:
Don't care about movie script... I'm so watching this spinoff because of Margot.

You should watch The Big Short. About a third in to the movie they stop to say they have to explain some very heavy going finance concepts, so here's Margot Robbie in a bathtub to explain it to you... and then they deliver with Margot Robbie in a bubble bath explaining collateral swaps

 Ouze wrote:
To the surprise of, i imagine, no one - the Harley Quinn spinoff movie got greenlighted. Margot Robbie is going to exec produce.

Excellent - This and Wonder Woman could mean some top notch DC films.

Yeah, but seriously think about the physics of controlling the bounce of a bullet. There's so many variables at play, and that bullet travelled for some distance after rebounding to strike the target in the head.

The other part is that he's shooting a pistol round. While its still potentially lethal, odds are at that point its not.

I am thankful for this having been hit with lots of splash and ricochets in the last couple of years.