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Kirasu wrote:A box of 10 necrons sure is expensive when they went down in points have no options

At least they didn't find a way to split it into two 5-man units and charge more for it.

Kirasu wrote:A box of 10 necrons sure is expensive when they went down in points have no options

The current Necron Warrior box is probably the best value in GW's entire catalog. Best case scenario is that it doesn't change.

Altruizine wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:Better late than never, I suppose? If they dropped this at the beginning of October or in September, it would have been more effective.

If all this information hadn't been leaked, it would have been more effective.

As I said though. It's not "for us". It's for the folks who don't spend time on these forums, who don't actively seek out rumors, and generally are content with not knowing every single detail.

Do you really think that there are such people? People who don't visit discussion forums like this one, but still poke around in every corner of the official GW site?

Sounds like a stretch to me. Surely there are people who don't pursue online news, but their embargo probably covers forums and the games-workshop.com equally, and they stick to brick-and-mortar shop talk to acquire fresh info.

Yes, lots. I know a lot of people who check the daily news, in fact everyone does it in my store unless they're really young or new, I used to look at the daily news every day and that was long before I joined this forum. The guys in the store put it up on the in-store computer as well, pretty much everyone coming in and out will be able to see this new video when they walk in. I would guess that most people will get the newsletter due to using the online store too. This is circulate now, believe me.

The Stormlord's lightning strikes don't specify that they ignore cover, but as has been pointed out, there really isn't a 'firing' model with these attacks, so its probably a case of only units actually in cover getting a cover save.


The Lychguard's shield rule does specify that the shooting redirect only happens when they actually pass the 4++ save (as opposed to their regular 3+ save).

Anpu-adom wrote:@Yakface
Can you share more information on the Lord's Wargear?
We haven't heard anything on the Sempirternal Weave or the Tesserect Labyrinth.

(And Can someone PLEASE add these words to the Dakka Dictionary tool?!?)

I am pretty sure Sempirtenal Weave is an upgrade to a 2+ save, and my guess is Tesserect Labyrinth is a re-roll to hit or wound.

Edited: to guess at Tesserect Labyrinth.

Got a nice clear image of it. It's attached since i have no idea how to actually put it on Dakka...



EDIT: Wow, that actually worked...

yakface wrote:
The Stormlord's lightning strikes don't specify that they ignore cover, but as has been pointed out, there really isn't a 'firing' model with these attacks, so its probably a case of only units actually in cover getting a cover save.


The Lychguard's shield rule does specify that the shooting redirect only happens when they actually pass the 4++ save (as opposed to their regular 3+ save).

Can I choose to always just take the 4++ then? :p Well, when it benefits the rule anyway.

immortals aren't looking too hot, i don't see the need for a change. but the rest is looking pretty sick, big thumbs up from me

Sempiternal, I believe. "of never-ending duration"

Hmmm, I just saw that vid on GW. Two words: lame.

Sure its lame. But it verifies the codex release

Sabet wrote:Sure its lame. But it verifies the codex release

And the big pictures on the first page of this thread with the text "NOVEMBER 5TH" didn't give that away?

I've heard that in the past GW did a fake leak. So this just guarantee's it.

Not that i personally didn't believe these rumours immediately, but some people at my FLGS did.


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And you should put the video onto the first page

Back in town. Was on the biggest European games fair. Battlefoam Romeo, Alessio Calvatore, and Larry Elmore present.

On the trip I had some time to read the novel "Fall of Damnos" by Nick Kyme. Hating all the Space Marine pathetic talk. But the novel definitely gives you a first glimpse on the new Necron background. The Lords have personality, the flayers and destructors have the desease, crypteks and Lychguard are introduced, one Necron Lord wields storms and lightning. Any Necron fan should read it.

Some tidbits by Bramgaunt over at Warseer:

Afaik, no. Nothing is supposed to happen this weekend. Preorders should start with the WD next saturday.
However, due to the leak, GW retail stores have started to accept preorders already and are showing pictures and infos on a handout. Therefor they might be showing them 'early'.
(...)
Both C'tan models will be redone in finecast, 5th of November. Both C'tan sculpts and both the current Lord Models will be redone in Finecast aswell. Destroyerlord and Heavy Destroyer remain a Plastic/Metal Hybrid Kit for the time being.
(..)
We also keep forgetting it's a 6th Edition Codex. Destroyers with Preferred Enemy show that pretty good. Some things will appear strange or won't make any sense at all.
(...)
I also forsee, as I said befor, that the full potential of the new Codex will show with the 6th Edition rules. Otherwise I cannot explain several things. Like the Destroyers. Or the rapid fire sniperrifles. If what I heard is true, Deathmarks will be a real pain in the ass starting July.
(...)
Units may shoot once immediately after a deep strike movement.
Rapid fire weapons may be fired twice at max range if shooting unit didn't move that turn, or once at maxrange/twice at 12" if they moved.
Preferred enemy will work on shooting.
Take it with a lot of salt, though.

ghost21 wrote:only with overwatch

T7 or T8 won't make that much of a difference come July. Same goes for the Gauss ability to wound everything, no matter what the toughness.

And:

Bramgaunt wrote:We go through the same 5 stages as with any new Codex.

First: Denial
Ah, they got postponed again... I don't believe it...

Second: Anger.
Oh no! Mat Ward again. It's going to be a total desaster!!

Third: Bargaining.
Couldn't we get some Space Marine treatment? Why don't I have a 3+ Armoursave anymore? there is a 2,47835% chance, that's 1,7263% less than befor!

Fourth: Depression
Ah well, we're stuck with a crappy book for another 8 years... guess at least we got new artworks... The characters are not the same as Dark Eldar...

Fifth: Acceptance.
Hey, that's pretty neat. Cool, that works awesome! I love these miniatures!

Lt. Coldfire wrote:Two words: lame.

Two Words: Learn to count!

I didn't think I was allowed to put the second word on this forum so I left it at that.

Altruizine wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:Better late than never, I suppose? If they dropped this at the beginning of October or in September, it would have been more effective.

If all this information hadn't been leaked, it would have been more effective.

As I said though. It's not "for us". It's for the folks who don't spend time on these forums, who don't actively seek out rumors, and generally are content with not knowing every single detail.

Do you really think that there are such people? People who don't visit discussion forums like this one, but still poke around in every corner of the official GW site?

Sounds like a stretch to me. Surely there are people who don't pursue online news, but their embargo probably covers forums and the games-workshop.com equally, and they stick to brick-and-mortar shop talk to acquire fresh info.

As intriguing as it is to debate this issue back and forth...we'll know the answers simply enough when they announce their earnings next quarter. Either this new tactic affects sales & costs - or it doesn't. If it's the latter, then I'd say it's still a net failure, if only because of the ill will felt by the community (including me).

My own hunch is that internally it saved them some effort from coordinating the release and doing sneak peaks, while at the same time doing little to nothing to overall sales. In which case, some would say it's a net gain. But that's just a hunch based on my experience on such things.

Kroothawk wrote:Back in town. Was on the biggest European games fair. Battlefoam Romeo, Alessio Calvatore, and Larry Elmore present.

On the trip I had some time to read the novel "Fall of Damnos" by Nick Kyme. Hating all the Space Marine pathetic talk. But the novel definitely gives you a first glimpse on the new Necron background. The Lords have personality, the flayers and destructors have the desease, crypteks and Lychguard are introduced, one Necron Lord wields storms and lightning. Any Necron fan should read it.

Some tidbits by Bramgaunt over at Warseer:

Afaik, no. Nothing is supposed to happen this weekend. Preorders should start with the WD next saturday.
However, due to the leak, GW retail stores have started to accept preorders already and are showing pictures and infos on a handout. Therefor they might be showing them 'early'.
(..)
We also keep forgetting it's a 6th Edition Codex. Destroyers with Preferred Enemy show that pretty good. Some things will appear strange or won't make any sense at all.
(...)
I also forsee, as I said befor, that the full potential of the new Codex will show with the 6th Edition rules. Otherwise I cannot explain several things. Like the Destroyers. Or the rapid fire sniperrifles. If what I heard is true, Deathmarks will be a real pain in the ass starting July.
(...)
Units may shoot once immediately after a deep strike movement.
Rapid fire weapons may be fired twice at max range if shooting unit didn't move that turn, or once at maxrange/twice at 12" if they moved.
Preferred enemy will work on shooting.
Take it with a lot of salt, though.

ghost21 wrote:only with overwatch

As someone who fell out of the game due to having a crappy outdated codex, I can't fething believe that I'm actually going to have a codex that's ahead of the curve.

EDIT: I sincerely hope those rumors are true for 6E. Deathmarks coming in and wounding on a 2+ in response to someone coming in and DSing would be crazy!

Say I was to pre-order the codex on the 29th. Would I get the actual product in the mail on the 5th or would it be sent on the 5th, does anyone know? Im going overseas on the 10th and I would love to have something to read on the way over as its quite a long flight and no doubt this would keep me occupied. Last time I ordered from GW it took 5 days so im not entirely sure that I would get it in time if it was sent on the 5th. Cheers.

Statesman wrote:

Altruizine wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:Better late than never, I suppose? If they dropped this at the beginning of October or in September, it would have been more effective.

If all this information hadn't been leaked, it would have been more effective.

As I said though. It's not "for us". It's for the folks who don't spend time on these forums, who don't actively seek out rumors, and generally are content with not knowing every single detail.

Do you really think that there are such people? People who don't visit discussion forums like this one, but still poke around in every corner of the official GW site?

Sounds like a stretch to me. Surely there are people who don't pursue online news, but their embargo probably covers forums and the games-workshop.com equally, and they stick to brick-and-mortar shop talk to acquire fresh info.

As intriguing as it is to debate this issue back and forth...we'll know the answers simply enough when they announce their earnings next quarter. Either this new tactic affects sales & costs - or it doesn't. If it's the latter, then I'd say it's still a net failure, if only because of the ill will felt by the community (including me).

My own hunch is that internally it saved them some effort from coordinating the release and doing sneak peaks, while at the same time doing little to nothing to overall sales. In which case, some would say it's a net gain. But that's just a hunch based on my experience on such things.

I don't know if that will be helpful. Correlation, as it turns out, doesn't imply causation. Revenue could be up because maybe people really liked Dreadfleet for all we know.

GW management is extremely weird, because they are an extremely traditional British company. Capitalism always revolved around tight control of product and information about it, there, and it's pretty obvious that they haven't gotten with the times. It would be nice if they (the model company) took more steps to make the game more accessible to new players and more appealing to veterans, but I think they're really operating under a strict "do everything the same as before as long as we're still profiting, and raise prices if we barely make target this quarter" mentality.

It sucks because the game, flaws and all, is awesome, but the company in control of it is utterly incompetent at giving customers what they want. We just conveniently forget about it when our army's time is up.

Statesman wrote:

Altruizine wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:Better late than never, I suppose? If they dropped this at the beginning of October or in September, it would have been more effective.

If all this information hadn't been leaked, it would have been more effective.

As I said though. It's not "for us". It's for the folks who don't spend time on these forums, who don't actively seek out rumors, and generally are content with not knowing every single detail.

Do you really think that there are such people? People who don't visit discussion forums like this one, but still poke around in every corner of the official GW site?

Sounds like a stretch to me. Surely there are people who don't pursue online news, but their embargo probably covers forums and the games-workshop.com equally, and they stick to brick-and-mortar shop talk to acquire fresh info.

As intriguing as it is to debate this issue back and forth...we'll know the answers simply enough when they announce their earnings next quarter. Either this new tactic affects sales & costs - or it doesn't. If it's the latter, then I'd say it's still a net failure, if only because of the ill will felt by the community (including me).

My own hunch is that internally it saved them some effort from coordinating the release and doing sneak peaks, while at the same time doing little to nothing to overall sales. In which case, some would say it's a net gain. But that's just a hunch based on my experience on such things.

So in your opinion your thinking no matter what they have lost? Then why even bring up the point. Of all the rumor mills that I have followed this one due to the blackout has been the most tense, and possibly the most anticipated. Were all sitting here waiting till the last moment hoping in 5 days a preorder to possibly buy in the future happens. I say it worked..


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Thatguy91 wrote:Say I was to pre-order the codex on the 29th. Would I get the actual product in the mail on the 5th or would it be sent on the 5th, does anyone know? Im going overseas on the 10th and I would love to have something to read on the way over as its quite a long flight and no doubt this would keep me occupied. Last time I ordered from GW it took 5 days so im not entirely sure that I would get it in time if it was sent on the 5th. Cheers.

Typically it would be shipped in time for you to receive on the 5th.

Many thanks

lazarian wrote:Typically it would be shipped in time for you to receive on the 5th.

I think this has changed with the new policy. AFAIK it is shipped 7th November.
You have to preorder it at the store to get it 5th November there.

This should be a pretty cool release. Poor GW, they just can't keep a secret. Kinda funny.

Thatguy91 wrote:Say I was to pre-order the codex on the 29th. Would I get the actual product in the mail on the 5th or would it be sent on the 5th, does anyone know? Im going overseas on the 10th and I would love to have something to read on the way over as its quite a long flight and no doubt this would keep me occupied. Last time I ordered from GW it took 5 days so im not entirely sure that I would get it in time if it was sent on the 5th. Cheers.

If you were to Pre-order it on the 29th and have it sent to your local GW store to collect from there, then yes you would be able to get it from the 5th.

However, if you Pre-order on the 29th and have it sent to anywhere else that is not your local GW store, then it would not be shipped out until the Monday after (7th November) at the very earliest, possibly even a few days after that.

If you want it on the 5th you need to either get it sent to the store or just buy a copy at the store.

This is the new releases policy for GW from now on, and has been for the last 4-5 months.

Thatguy91 wrote:Many thanks

Why even take the risk of disappointment? Is there no physical store near enough to you that you could simply pick it up in-person on the 5th?

Kroothawk wrote:

lazarian wrote:Typically it would be shipped in time for you to receive on the 5th.

I think this has changed with the new policy. AFAIK it is shipped 7th November.
You have to preorder it at the store to get it 5th November there.

Not necessarily.
If you preorder before the release date and have it shipped to your address, you should get it the Monday/Tuesday of the next week.

If you preorder by the Sunday of the release week, it will be there on release day.

To use the Mega Paint set example:
If you preorder it with store pick-up option, you have to preorder it by Sunday October 23rd to ensure it will be there on release day.

If you preorder it by Wednesday October 26th and have it shipped to an address of your choice, it will be shipped out on Friday.
Any orders after the 26th will ship out on Monday.


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Was beaten to it. Oh well.

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Am I the only one who thinks its dumb that, not even a week left before release, and they haven't so much as mentioned the new Necrons with the exception of the trailer?
Every other army is mentioned atleast a month in advance on the back inside-cover of White Dwarf, or something..
Still, I have to admit, I am pretty excited..

I read Fall of Damnos and then Hammer & Anvil, both contained allot of new information on the Necrons.

Hammer & Anvil had some interesting stuff and I believe it is the first book to have Deathmarks, Ghost Arks, Doomsday Ark, the Triarch Stalker and a few other things.

It also mentions allot of the Necron Lord weapons, like :
Flayer
Etherium Projector
Gauntlet mounted Voidblade
Null Spear
Tachyon Arrow Launcher
Hyperphasic Sword
Fire Gauntlet

I believe all of these have been mentioned except for the Null Spear. To me it sounds like a spear version of a Null Rod but from what we have been told the only anti psyker things the Necrons have are on the Spyders.

In Hammer & Anvil the Tachyon Arrow Launcher is a wrist mounted weapon, it seems to pack quite a punch as a sister hit by it is sent flying.

As for the Sisters? Only 3 things, Arvus Lighters are mentioned again as they were in Red & Black (Sisters received the Arvus Lighter in IA Apocalypse Second Edition), a sister Venator type transport. Same one Forgeworld sells but without the lascannon, instead it had a 5 person troop capacity. Last were the Sister pattern gun servitors, with heavy bolters another with 1 auto cannon on each arm.

Pretty much everything is mentioned by name and allot of the time certain things are in italics pointing out rules that the described unit may have. All Necron units are mentioned by name as are all the weapons they use. There are even mindshackles that I believe one of the Named Lord have in the codex. It's pretty obvious that James Swallow received a copy of the codex be it an early draft or final product.

So a question for Yakface, is there anything like a Null Spear in the codex? Perhaps he has received an early draft of the Sisters codex as well as he mentions some sisters stuff by name quite a few times. Maybe he remembered there being a Null Spear but it was in the Sisters codex and not the Necron one?
I might be reading too much into it but all the weapons were mentioned in the same paragraphs and with the correct codex names for everything... except the Null Spear which there has been no rumours on.

DJ3 wrote:

Kirasu wrote:A box of 10 necrons sure is expensive when they went down in points have no options

The current Necron Warrior box is probably the best value in GW's entire catalog. Best case scenario is that it doesn't change.

I'm pretty sure my FLGS still has one box of warriors left ...

And I'm going to pick it up tomorrow before I have to pay more for less in two weeks!

All my store has is a battleforce now. And im sorely tempted to buy it. though won't because of yet another price increase on it ($175 now). That and the fact i already have 120 warriors, 30 scarabs and 10 destroyers. I think 2 heavys as well