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I posted my scout pics on another web site, maybe a year and a half ago, and got a lot flak for them. I was told they did not fit into the Space Marine fluff. My idea i got for the squad, from some long ago white dwarf article. I really liked it for a lot of reasons, one: i hate painting flesh tones/hair. two: you can change the whole feel of the model. the head looking in a different direction does a lot to the pose. three: i think it makes some kind of sense because the space marines (and their scouts) are not always operating in breathable atmosphere(s) and just limiting the scouts to breathable air doesn't make "military sense".
What do you think, fits with the fluff? or goes against?
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/69689-Close%20up%20on%20Scouts.html
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/69688-10th%20Co.%20support%20Scouts.html?m=2
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/68975-Scout%20Ultramarine.html?m=2

It's a little bit odd, but I like it. Try to add more augmetics and sensor fluff on their helmets, and it would be awesome.

I think it looks good. And you are right, not every planet has breathable air, even for a space marine, so a helmet would be required.

I think that if you like them, then thats enough to keep on using them.

Cheers

I'll be the one to whine...

Technically scouts aren't trusted with power armour.

I totally agree with you that it's only sensible that they wear helmets, but I would have suggested working with Cadian helmets... perhaps the ones with the respirator faceplates? (AKA Kasrkin?)

You could file off the Aquila, work on some chapter stuff with green stuff.

I also think that a power armour helmet on top of carapace armour really does look odd, and carapace armour IS worn by the Imperial Guard (as purchasable wargear of course, but I don't think I've seen anyone use Space Marine scout bodies... perhaps that can be a conversion for me to undertake ).

They look good and sensible to me.

Technically scouts aren't trusted with power armour.

And they don't have it on. They're wearing a helmet, not a full suit. The helmet isn't going to provide the scouts with the advantages full armor gives them. It'll provide them with breathable air and enhance their senses.

I totally agree with you that it's only sensible that they wear helmets, but I would have suggested working with Cadian helmets... perhaps the ones with the respirator faceplates? (AKA Kasrkin?)

But why would they put them in helmets like that when they've already got another type of helmet? Additionally, it would only make sense to give them those type of helmets so that the scouts start to become accustomed to using them before getting full power armor.

paulguise wrote:I think it looks good. And you are right, not every planet has breathable air, even for a space marine, so a helmet would be required.

I think that if you like them, then thats enough to keep on using them.

Cheers

Thanks! I do like them a lot, and will continue to use them as they have been very well received by my gaming circles.


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Also the idea behind them is not so much that it's really a full on "space marine power armor helmet" its got just enough goodies in it to keep a scout alive in a hostile atmosphere.

Tyyr wrote:They look good and sensible to me.

Technically scouts aren't trusted with power armour.

And they don't have it on. They're wearing a helmet, not a full suit. The helmet isn't going to provide the scouts with the advantages full armor gives them. It'll provide them with breathable air and enhance their senses.

Yes but I'd assume the helmet is part of the whole piece of armour, I mean Power Armour suits are often kept as relics, with modifications made by each individual wearer, I can't see helmets being cannibalised from the rest of the suit simply to be used as a part of expendable forgeworld-constructed carapace armour A Standard guard helmet with respirator would do that trick just fine.

I totally agree with you that it's only sensible that they wear helmets, but I would have suggested working with Cadian helmets... perhaps the ones with the respirator faceplates? (AKA Kasrkin?)

But why would they put them in helmets like that when they've already got another type of helmet? Additionally, it would only make sense to give them those type of helmets so that the scouts start to become accustomed to using them before getting full power armor.

See my last answer

in regards to using imperial equipment on space marines even if they are scouts..... i don't think even a marine halfway to becoming a full battle brother would sully himself on sub standard equipment.

Models look good, but only problem is a power source for the helmet...

I like it. Alot. Enough that I might put a few on those of my Scouts that're closer to earning their PA.

Looks good, hcords. I think a few additional conversion bits like sensor modifications or something to make them look somehow less than a SM helmet.

I don't know about all the fluff behind SM (I'm still just getting into 40K), but that they aren't trusted with the full gear cause they haven't proved themselves sounds like fun fluff and gives good reason for a more elite scout team to have tooled down helmets.

So- they look cool, as is, but you might get broader acceptance if you played with it a little more... if acceptance is something yer particularly after.

I dont think people gave you "flak" for giving the scouts helmet.

They gave you flak because they are Space Marine helmets.

Try cadian or some pig iron helmets im sure no one will complain.

Simply put Hcordes....

Screw 'em. We don't know the technological process behind the creation of Astartes helms. For all we know, it could be no different producing a few million Astartes Powered Armor helmets than banging out a few bajillion Kantrael-pattern helmets for the Cadian Shock Troops.

Another thing to remember is that: we also know that not every Chapter keeps their veteran infiltrators in the same squad as Johnny Newbie McMarine. There's bound to be some Chapters that keep a highly trained cadre of infiltration and insurgency specialists for those missions where you can't just hurl newbies at it.

But from there, it's a simple method to deciding about this:

If you like how it looks and can come up with a good reasoning for it?

Then by all means--do it. The only real complaint I would have is that, while they're painted nicely and the like....
Recon/insurgency troops move fast and light. Helmets, even lightweight ones, can get snagged or give away positions. It's why I've always envisioned the more "veteran" Astartes Scouts as having some form of CQB styled helmet, with all kinds of communications gubbins built into the helmet itself. Kind of a cut down, hockey styled helmet. If you've seen Black Hawk Down--the Delta operators were wearing the kind of helmet I'm mentioning.

But as a further alternative, if you just want a way to represent environmental gear or the like to shut up the detractors? The Scout Biker models have Scout heads with respirators and comms, even targeting equipment attached.

Thanks for all the tips, the Cadian helmets might work out ok, as it stands i have a full ten man squad already converted =) with the SM helms, and a six man squad without, so i have some variety im my scouts.
I like the idea of converting the scouts, the SM helms/heads was the easiest thing to use outta my bits box.. ... beings I have a few thousand SM bits... it made sense.
Again though, i really like them, i'm not gonna change them, i might add some extra sensors etc. to them.

Give them non-power armor helmets and it would be fine. Scouts are not given legit power armor because they are noobs. I don't particularly like the conversions myself to be honest.

http://www.pig-iron-productions.com/hd15-system-trooper-head-sprues-p-47.html?zenid=d52eac323e7c2319be9a8f3466506648

imo. that way its not just simply you taking a cadian respirator head, but not you just using the standard pig iron head

ph34r wrote:Give them non-power armor helmets and it would be fine. Scouts are not given legit power armor because they are noobs. I don't particularly like the conversions myself to be honest.

Thank you for being honest, =) I waned to give them helmets. because if you alter the head angle you can have a totally different looking model than you did before. I never thought about using anything other than SM helmets because the Scouts are still Space Marines and last time i checked Space Marines got the best equipment the Empire has to offer. Also SM helmets were easy I've had three or four various Marine armies..... i had a few bits left over.

Imperial Guard helmets look ALLOT better on scouts in my opinion. And I have always thought why do scouts get a 4+ save with no helmet and IG only gets a 5+ save with a helmet. What's the point in wearing armour when you can die instantly from a shot to the head?

i was reading some fluff this morning actually, and I read a little blurb about how the BOLTER is a holy weapon, and must be hand crafted and blessed, etc etc. So when fielding Scouts, they can swap there BOLT PISTOLS for a BOLTER for FREE. So with that being said.... the scouts get to use the holy bolters..... why can't they use a finely crafted SM helmet?? I mean if a scout Serg can have TERMINATOR HONORS......?

I think their ugly, but thats just my opinion.

Just do whatever you like, it are your minis =)

vodo40k wrote:Imperial Guard helmets look ALLOT better on scouts in my opinion. And I have always thought why do scouts get a 4+ save with no helmet and IG only gets a 5+ save with a helmet. What's the point in wearing armour when you can die instantly from a shot to the head?

Carapace versus Cardboard, man.

The idea is sound, but the space marine heads look at little big on the scout bodies. At least that is how it looks to me.

I use Pig Iron ones myself, as I think the more lightly-armoured helmet look goes well with the carapace stuff they wear.

Plus, I hate the standard Scout head.

Necroagogo wrote:

Plus, I hate the standard Scout head.

I know right!! The Scout heads are lame


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The only trick i'm about to run into, is I found some old pewter scouts with sniper rifles..... not sure how to work a helmet onto those old figs.

Don't go with helmets for the snipers!

Hoods! Hoods! Hooooooooooods!

Kanluwen wrote:Don't go with helmets for the snipers!

Hoods! Hoods! Hooooooooooods!

i actually think i'm just gonna leave them lol. but hoods does make sense for snipers.

I think it's a good idea. Might explain why they get the saves of fething Storm Troopers.

Emperors Faithful wrote:I think it's a good idea. Might explain why they get the saves of fething Storm Troopers.

makes sense to me. =)

hcordes wrote:in regards to using imperial equipment on space marines even if they are scouts..... i don't think even a marine halfway to becoming a full battle brother would sully himself on sub standard equipment.

Well, scouts already use carapace armor which is the same one that Imperial Guard Storm Troopers/Kasrkin use so them using the same helmet is hardly using "sub standard" equipment.

One problem with scouts using power armor pieces is that they don't have the black carapace. They simply can't interface with it. Yes, I saw that the theory is that the helmets they have are less advanced.

hcordes wrote:Also the idea behind them is not so much that it's really a full on "space marine power armor helmet" its got just enough goodies in it to keep a scout alive in a hostile atmosphere.

But to me this makes less sense than the scouts just using the available equipment made for the armor they wear.

I really like the idea with having helmets on the scouts. It's just that the Power Armor helmet looks too big for the model, like they should tip over.

hcordes wrote:i was reading some fluff this morning actually, and I read a little blurb about how the BOLTER is a holy weapon, and must be hand crafted and blessed, etc etc. So when fielding Scouts, they can swap there BOLT PISTOLS for a BOLTER for FREE. So with that being said.... the scouts get to use the holy bolters..... why can't they use a finely crafted SM helmet?? I mean if a scout Serg can have TERMINATOR HONORS......?

Actually scouts are fielded with both a boltgun and a bolt pistol. They may change it for a shotgun, ccw or sniperrifle. But let's look at those choices. The Sniper rifle have obvious advantages over the boltgun. The shotgun, while not as powerful as the bolter is a good choice for close range support. And seeing that scouts are to be trained in every aspect of combat they are sometimes issued ccw's.
About the Sergeant getting Terminator Honors (gone with 5th ed) The Sergeant is not a scout. It's a full battle brother that has been charged with training the scouts. He is equipped in the same manner as the scouts as it would be pointless to have a squad of scouts in stealthy carapace armor with one of them making noise in a power armor.

It actually makes sense if he's going for a sort of 'Aussalt Scout Squad qith shotguns and the like'. If you are wearing a helemt and sniping, doesn't make as much sense.